VZW disabling tethering apps from market

[gsdreams]

It does have consequences - but not that I can see for users who pay.. tethering doesn't place any more load on the VZW network than regular phone traffic. We're not talking about stealing bandwidth here, just tethering.

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Are you sure about that? I can definitely see more people willing to steam a movie to watch on their tethered notebook than their phone. I tend to surf to less data intensive mobile sites instead of full-version sites because it is a pain in the ass sometimes to constantly resize the screen on the phone.

True, but that's why they throttle you. I know several people who stream videos off the web through their (phone's) HDMI port to the TV. No tethering, but their stealing bandwidth all the same - depending on how you look at it. How about Netflix?? You don't need a laptop to use a lot of data.

You get throttled + face mad fines when you go over your 5GB..

Maybe it is that they themselves tether or has tethered, and hopes to redeem themselves by flaming those who do.

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That's the best explanation I've read yet.


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Verizon doesn't throttle when you go over, unless you are in the top 5%.

Overages for data on netbooks, if they are on the newer plans, is only $10/gb. If they are on an older plan they can switch to the newer one.

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[cynnar]

What I would find interesting is if everybody would look at the average data they use per month tethered and untethered and report if there are any differences. That should prove it no?

Excellent point.

The flaw I see in that is if you download your favorite rom nightly that alone puts you at 3gb or more.

And what about people like me I just downloaded a 450 MB file to my phone last night, and Ubuntu at 650 or 700 (don't remember) a week ago. Same billing cycle.

Plus the data is both upload and download.

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There is no flaw. If that's something that you do on the phone as well tethered then that is valid data.

It is valid data, but how are you going to tell what data is tether or not? That was my point.

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[freezyfreaky]

Excellent point.

The flaw I see in that is if you download your favorite rom nightly that alone puts you at 3gb or more.

And what about people like me I just downloaded a 450 MB file to my phone last night, and Ubuntu at 650 or 700 (don't remember) a week ago. Same billing cycle.

Plus the data is both upload and download.

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There is no flaw. If that's something that you do on the phone as well tethered then that is valid data.

It is valid data, but how are you going to tell what data is tether or not? That was my point.

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It's just typical use case for you. How much data would you use if you tethered normally and how much data you use if you didn't. If you spent say one week (better accuracy if it's a month) tethered and one not, check how much data you use. I think that is a fair experiment.

 

[cynnar]

There is no flaw. If that's something that you do on the phone as well tethered then that is valid data.

It is valid data, but how are you going to tell what data is tether or not? That was my point.

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It's just typical use case for you. How much data would you use if you tethered normally and how much data you use if you didn't. If you spent say one week (better accuracy if it's a month) tethered and one not, check how much data you use. I think that is a fair experiment.

Ok I see what you are saying. I just misunderstood the post. For some reason I was thinking for example you comparing your non tether bill to someone who does. Didn't think about only one person in the experiment.

Good idea

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[cynnar]

Are you sure about that? I can definitely see more people willing to steam a movie to watch on their tethered notebook than their phone. I tend to surf to less data intensive mobile sites instead of full-version sites because it is a pain in the ass sometimes to constantly resize the screen on the phone.

True, but that's why they throttle you. I know several people who stream videos off the web through their (phone's) HDMI port to the TV. No tethering, but their stealing bandwidth all the same - depending on how you look at it. How about Netflix?? You don't need a laptop to use a lot of data.

You get throttled + face mad fines when you go over your 5GB..

Maybe it is that they themselves tether or has tethered, and hopes to redeem themselves by flaming those who do.

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That's the best explanation I've read yet.


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Verizon doesn't throttle when you go over, unless you are in the top 5%.

Overages for data on netbooks, if they are on the newer plans, is only $10/gb. If they are on an older plan they can switch to the newer one.

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Not trying to start a war, but exactly how does Verizon decide if you are in the top 5%?

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[cynnar]

True, but that's why they throttle you. I know several people who stream videos off the web through their (phone's) HDMI port to the TV. No tethering, but their stealing bandwidth all the same - depending on how you look at it. How about Netflix?? You don't need a laptop to use a lot of data.

You get throttled + face mad fines when you go over your 5GB..




That's the best explanation I've read yet.


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Verizon doesn't throttle when you go over, unless you are in the top 5%.

Overages for data on netbooks, if they are on the newer plans, is only $10/gb. If they are on an older plan they can switch to the newer one.

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Not trying to start a war, but exactly how does Verizon decide if you are in the top 5%?

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Wow! I thought for sure someone would know.

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[kodiak799]

LMAO! how is that remotely similar?! They would be giving you free gas to begin with, and then you abuse it.

Even when I come up with what I think is a simple and clear analogy....But actually you help make the point even more clear.

They DID NOT give you free gas in any and all instances - they gave you free gas FOR YOUR CAR. You deciding you can fill up anything you want - gas cans, your lawn mower, molatav cocktails, or whatever doesn't make you right. You don't get to define the applications/device your unlimited service extends to, it's already defined in the contract you agreed to when you signed up.

Plain and simple, someone downloading torrents, ITunes movies and the like they are otherwise going to transfer to a PC (and for whatever reason choose not to download via home broadband) is abusing the service, albeit somewhat legitimately. Someone tethering is stealing.

 

[kodiak799]

If you do not share the same view as VZW, you are a bad person, and therefore must be flamed.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's not about supporting VZW - most in this thread think they ridiculously overcharge for tether and a little bit in a pinch really isn't a big deal. However it doesn't change the fact that tethering is stealing, whether it's one slice of bread or an entire bakery truck.

And it's really just indicative of a very lax and irresponsible attitude regarding electronic services. The vast majority of people who tether wouldn't consider walking into a 7/11 and stealing a loaf of bread, and wouldn't attempt to defend it as anything less. But there's this distorted and misguided view that stealing an MP3, cable or broadband service isn't stealing because "it doesn't cost them anything". Forgetting that development and research costs are up front and need to be recovered, you aren't "taking money out of their pocket" or so the argument goes. So go to a car dealership, plunk down a check for $6000 less than the purchase price and drive off with the car and see what happens.

 

[kodiak799]

In a nut shell you guys are making the case that its fair to be charged $20 extra per bag of groceries if you use your own bag

If you see an outrageous price for a bottle of milk at the grocery store, you either buy it somewhere else or just don't get milk. I'm willing to bet you don't just walk out without paying simply because you thought the price was unfair.

Fairness is irrelevant to the argument. No one HAS to have tether. No one really even has to have smartphone data.

 

[Graymayre]

If you are going to debate the subject, start trying to do it respectfully and respect each others views. Try not to trample on what people say, no matter how misinformed you may believe them to be. I got tired of this pissing contest long ago when I realized that too many people want to throw punches behind anonymity. In the end, not everyone is going to agree.
Make your point and be done, don't beat a dead horse, and any other metaphor I didn't think of.

Remember that this forum was made to be a community of people trying to further the advancement of Android and to help each other. I don't think the intention was to argue a point to death just to resurrect it and do it again.

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[cynnar]

If you are going to debate the subject, start trying to do it respectfully and respect each others views. Try not to trample on what people say, no matter how misinformed you may believe them to be. I got tired of this pissing contest long ago when I realized that too many people want to throw punches behind anonymity. In the end, not everyone is going to agree.
Make your point and be done, don't beat a dead horse, and any other metaphor I didn't think of.

Remember that this forum was made to be a community of people trying to further the advancement of Android and to help each other. I don't think the intention was to argue a point to death just to resurrect it and do it again.

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Very well put. Just seems that when someone expresses there opinion about the subject they get flamed by those whos opinion falls in favor of Verizon, and no matter what you try to do the attacks keep coming.

I to was guilty of this. I go smarter about it and try not to play that game as well.

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[aristoid]

This thread is under review.

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[cynnar]

If you do not share the same view as VZW, you are a bad person, and therefore must be flamed.

You couldn't be more wrong. It's not about supporting VZW - most in this thread think they ridiculously overcharge for tether and a little bit in a pinch really isn't a big deal. However it doesn't change the fact that tethering is stealing, whether it's one slice of bread or an entire bakery truck.

And it's really just indicative of a very lax and irresponsible attitude regarding electronic services. The vast majority of people who tether wouldn't consider walking into a 7/11 and stealing a loaf of bread, and wouldn't attempt to defend it as anything less. But there's this distorted and misguided view that stealing an MP3, cable or broadband service isn't stealing because "it doesn't cost them anything". Forgetting that development and research costs are up front and need to be recovered, you aren't "taking money out of their pocket" or so the argument goes. So go to a car dealership, plunk down a check for $6000 less than the purchase price and drive off with the car and see what happens.

I think you misread the post. Either that or you are trying to put words into my mouth. Since you only picked out part of te post to reply to further proves my point. Someone has an opinion that differs from Verizon's actions, 4 or 5 people just start flaming them. Picking part of there post to show how they are wrong.

I accept you agree with Verizon. Please accept that there are some who disagree even if it is illegal.

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[cynnar]

I just finished sending message to pdanet support on how they are going to handle upgrade notifications. And how this effects those who purchased through the market.

From the page that pops up when finished with the form sounded like they are very busy and are unable to get to all questions. (This on might be a long shot and not get answered) . Maybe someone who uses pdanet can help us out on this info.

As for easytether it takes about a day to hear what they have to say about update notifications.

I noticed that some tether apps are still in the market. Maybe they are not finished removing them.

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[cynnar]

Wow easytether was quick to respond thistles time. Here is there words.

" We are thinking about adding such check into the smartphone-side application. Not yet sure. "

There you have it.

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