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Galaxy Nexus - Wifi Tethering without the need for root

It's fairly obvious that when someone tethers, they use more data than if they didn't tether! It's just nonsense to not acknowledge that.
I was recently on vacation at a resort with shoddy Internet connectivity and had my laptop and my phone with me. I went to the same few websites on my laptop (tethered) as I would have on my phone if I'd only had my phone with me. Did I use more of Verizon's data/bandwidth (assuming the websites didn't have optimized versions for mobile devices) than if I wasn't tethering?

Hint: No, I didn't.

You say it's nonsense to not acknowledge tethering = more data. I say it's nonsense to assume tethering = more data. It will vary by user. It's also irrelevant, because like others have said... you're paying for X amount of data/bandwidth. It should be yours to use how you please. If you use more than your allotted amount, then Verizon has the right to do something about it. How you use it should be none of their concern.
 
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Oh! It is for congested cell sites. Luckily I live in a low populous bedroom community. This is possibly why I don't get hit by the throttling. I wonder what will happen if I use most of my data in Sacramento?
 
Oh! It is for congested cell sites. Luckily I live in a low populous bedroom community. This is possibly why I don't get hit by the throttling. I wonder what will happen if I use most of my data in Sacramento?

They say it's for "congested" cell sites, but we've also seen people who have used 10-20GB on their phone and been throttled no matter where they are.

As I'm sure you know, it's very easy for Verizon to define their own terms behind the scenes.
 
Dude, you can argue all you want. You pay for unlimited data on your phone, not you phone and your laptop or your home PC. Period. It's fairly obvious that when someone tethers, they use more data than if they didn't tether! It's just nonsense to not acknowledge that.

Tethering puts more demand on the network. The more demand on the network, the more infrastructure is required to provide useable throughput to all users. This whole notion of throttling is to protect the bottom 95% of data users from those using it suspiciously.

If you hate verizon so much, why stay? With so many carriers, I'm sure you'd have no problem finding one that will please you. Well, not really sure but you know what I'm saying!

I'm stating my opinion and offering supporting thoughts for why I feel Verizon's policy is in error. If you don't like my opinion your choices are a) continue to try to change my opinion (so far you have not presented a single persuasive argument toward this end) b) ignore it.

1) I never brought up unlimited data so I'm not sure why you're harping on that.
2) It does not matter if the average tethering user uses more than the average non-tethering user. I never said "tethering users don't use more data" anywhere in any of my replies. So, I am acknowledging this claim to be true in SOME cases but this claim is not relevant. More on this below.
3) I never said I hated Verizon and I have no clue where you got this from, maybe you're projecting? I remarked that Verizon (and all US carriers, as far as I know) are approaching this debate from an incorrect, illogical point of view. I have explained and will continue to explain why I feel their viewpoint is illogical.

I pay for X GB of data. So long as I stay beneath that limit, there is no difference between data from my phone or data from my laptop or data from my desktop or data from a Nintendo 3DS or data from a wifi tablet. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. It doesn't matter that a tethering user MIGHT use more data than a non-tethering user AS LONG AS THE BOTH USERS OBEY THE DATA LIMITS OF THEIR PLANS. If Verizon can't handle unlimited GB (or 4GB or 2GB or whatever the limit is) then they should not offer those plans as options or continue to service plans with those limits. If they are really overselling their bandwidth that badly then they need to offer realistic amounts of data that they can handle. Personally, I think they're doing just fine with their ability to handle the limits that they have already enacted but the actual limits of the plans are immaterial. The plan limits could be 500MB or 1MB or 1KB and my argument would be the same as it is now.

You seem to be under the delusion that I am somehow advocating that people ditch their home ISP, tether ridiculous amounts of data and Verizon should just deal with it. THAT IS NOT MY POSITION AT ALL.

My position is simply that, within the amount of data any given customer pays for (unlimited, 4GB or 2GB), Verizon should not care how much that customer uses or where that data ultimately ends up (phone, laptop, desktop, Wii, 3DS, PS3, whatever). Nothing more, nothing less. I'll thank you kindly to stop twisting my words.

This is where things are headed. Home ISPs used to try to say "you can only hook up one device to our internet connection, routers are not allowed" just like VZW is saying right now. It won't last b/c it's illogical. Most people don't care yet, but they will eventually and that's when it'll change. People will eventually say, why do I need to pay separately for my tablet, 4G modem and phone? I don't have to prove anything to anyone, I just have to sit back and watch history repeat itself.

[Text edited. Apparently I fell victim to the misconception that VZW had a 5GB limit on unlimited plans. From further reading, I see that is NOT true. I have held this incorrect belief for the entirety of my VZW data plan. Removed the inaccurate text to prevent confusion and to prevent anyone else from falling victim to the same confusion that happened to me. I will do the same to previous posts.]
 
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They say it's for "congested" cell sites, but we've also seen people who have used 10-20GB on their phone and been throttled no matter where they are.

As I'm sure you know, it's very easy for Verizon to define their own terms behind the scenes.

Very true, at the end of the day they can say whatever they want to draw the lines for "congested" or not. Hopefully they don't decide my area is congested for a while, my girlfriend, daughter, and myself all tend to use 7-9GB on each of our phones.
 
Very true, at the end of the day they can say whatever they want to draw the lines for "congested" or not. Hopefully they don't decide my area is congested for a while, my girlfriend, daughter, and myself all tend to use 7-9GB on each of our phones.

It's highly unlikely all 3 of you use nearly 10GB of data. I'm a heavy user and I barely reach 5GB every month.
 
It's highly unlikely all 3 of you use nearly 10GB of data. I'm a heavy user and I barely reach 5GB every month.

The daughter spends all day on youtube watching Bleach and Naruto, the girlfriend watches Netflix all the time as do I because we don't pay for cable. I stream music from google music constantly at work all day. Believe it or not, makes no difference to me, but our data is on average ~
7291.20MB of data on each of the phones for a grand total of ~22367MB monthly. Those numbers are from running the analysis tool on vzw.com on the my usage tab.
 
If there is a problem with Verizon not being able to meet the demands of data to their customers....its VERIZONS fault. They should invest in better infrastructure to support their customers needs. The percentage of folks using tethering as the ISP for their home computers...etc..is very small. And the data usage on those accounts will be more than noticable. I use over 5 gb last month on just my phone...thats w/o tethering. Thats mostly pandora radio, netflix, internet surfing and downloads. This is also in conjuction with the wifi connection at home. 5gb may seem like a lot to someone who has a 2gb plan...but for a 4g device...its not that much and can easily be reached w/o tethering...or even rooting. The largest congestion of data is too many customers on one outpost. Period.

And like I said already...if they aggressively went after people who use large amounts of data...like 15gb or more a month....they are obviously doing something to reach that. Handle the folks using it as their ISP.

I believe I should not be charged a tether fee if I use reasonable amounts of data doing so. If I havent used my phone that much and only have like 1-2 gb of data...and take my wifi xoom with me on a road trip and want to watch netflix on the way (or my kids anyway), then I dont feel I should have to pay them fees to do so. I have not used data excessively. Its punishing those who dont abuse.

As for me. Im not asking for your opinions on the matter. And Im not asking what verizons stance on the matter is. Im simply telling what I think it should be. If you disagree....great. I dont really care if you do or not.
 
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It's highly unlikely all 3 of you use nearly 10GB of data. I'm a heavy user and I barely reach 5GB every month.

I used over 5gb myself last month. Thats on my PHONE only. Didnt even tether anything. On the otherhand though...i do use unlimited skip...ad free pandora. Im sure skipping songs a lot uses a lot of data. As well as netflix.
 
I agree with you that we should be able to use our data any way we want. If unlimited means 5g, then we should be able to use it on any device we wish. If they want to go after people who go into excessive usage, fine, even though I still think selling unlimited and then reducing your speed when you go past unlimited? is a bit of um, false advertising.

Right now if I used 30GB on just my phone, I would get throttled, so why am I paying extra for unlimited?
 
I dont get why people are still arguing over ethics and semantics of verizons business model. They dont care about what they should do to benefit their customers. Its more important how much money can and will be exploited from current and new customers based on marketability. And google has said in the past that they are giving carriers this privilege to lock or unlock the tethering feature. Im certain tethering is locked when you get the GNEX and you will need a tethering plan to use it. It doesnt make sense for verizon to release the Gnex without locking the tethering feature because that would mean a huge selling point for it compared to other phones. Also being "pure google" doesnt mean you get tethering unlocked.

THE TOPIC TITLE IS MISLEADING. i dont see anywhere in the link posted that is says root is not required. The OP just trolled you all.
 
You seem to be under the delusion that I am somehow advocating that people ditch their home ISP, tether ridiculous amounts of data and Verizon should just deal with it. THAT IS NOT MY POSITION AT ALL.

My position is simply that, within the amount of data any given customer pays for (unlimited, 4GB or 2GB), Verizon should not care how much that customer uses or where that data ultimately ends up (phone, laptop, desktop, Wii, 3DS, PS3, whatever). Nothing more, nothing less. I'll thank you kindly to stop twisting my words.

Again, you pay for unlimited data for your phone. Period. You do not pay Verizon for unlimited data for your phone, laptop, desktop, Wii, 3ds, PS3 and your whatever.

You say in one sentence you're not advocating people use it as an ISP then in the next sentence say they should be able to use it for tasks that are exactly what a person uses an ISP at home for.

BTW, I quoted your words, that's not twisting them the last time I checked. Thanks.
 
Dude, you can argue all you want. You pay for unlimited data on your phone, not you phone and your laptop or your home PC. Period. It's fairly obvious that when someone tethers, they use more data than if they didn't tether! It's just nonsense to not acknowledge that.

Tethering puts more demand on the network. The more demand on the network, the more infrastructure is required to provide useable throughput to all users. This whole notion of throttling is to protect the bottom 95% of data users from those using it suspiciously.

If you hate verizon so much, why stay? With so many carriers, I'm sure you'd have no problem finding one that will please you. Well, not really sure but you know what I'm saying!

Yes people who tether most likely use more data that's why I think its ok to charge people with unlimited data more to tether but if you pay for 2gb you should be able to use that 2gb however you want...

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Again, you pay for unlimited data for your phone. Period. You do not pay Verizon for unlimited data for your phone, laptop, desktop, Wii, 3ds, PS3 and your whatever.

You say in one sentence you're not advocating people use it as an ISP then in the next sentence say they should be able to use it for tasks that are exactly what a person uses an ISP at home for.

BTW, I quoted your words, that's not twisting them the last time I checked. Thanks.

But you're not getting the point. If you currently use say 30GB on your phone in one month, your data will be throttled. That is not unlimited.
 
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