OMAP3530 Vs Snapdragon: SURPRISE!!!

[adrynalyne]

My droid runs Asphalt 5 better than my Incredible, which is pretty much the same internals(that matter) as the Desire.

Were you reading? This is about the Milestone. NOT the droid.

Droid = unlocked
Milestone = locked and underclocked.

It's a known fact that Asphalt 5 is optimized for the PowerVR SGX series GPUs; the AMD in the Snapdragon chipset just doesn't run it as well. The AMD GPU has approximately 1/2 the fillrate of the PowerVR - although it can draw more polygons per second. Unfortunately, with an effects-heavy game such as Asphalt 5; the fill rate is key.

Plus, the 2 GPUs use an entirely different form of texture compression, and from what i've read; the Snapdragon's GPU has to store textures with no compression whatsoever; which eats bandwidth.

If the game is optimized for both GPUs, the playing field will level out.

Exactly. It's like NVIDIA vs ATI, if one game manufacturer works with NVIDIA and does no optimizations for ATI GPUs then terrible performance will be had for people who bought ATI.

Edit: Big update! I just read the reviews on the Asphalt game page. Many people are complaining it "lags like hell on my HTC Desire/tattoo". I thought the game used in the review was Raging Thunder, I tried that and it was perfect.

It just goes to show if you use something that has been optimised for that particular GPU/CPU, it will perform better. The game is to blame - that is why the review is fake.

Whats in a name? same cpu, and I was talking about at stock speed of 550mhz. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[craigcrawford1988]

Burst what bubble? I reckon the Snapdragon could smoke the OMAP even if they were the same clock-for-clock.

Also, to update you because you seem to have missed important details. Asphalt runs bad on Snapdragon for unknown reasons (check the comments on the app).

 

[craigcrawford1988]

First part: [video=youtube;0u2agZf7LIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u2agZf7LIU]YouTube - HTC Desire vs Motorola Milestone (part 1)[/video]

Second part: [video=youtube;58olMM9aDio]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58olMM9aDio]YouTube - HTC Desire vs Motorola Milestone (part 2)[/video]

Third part: [video=youtube;hUpA5W5i3qo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUpA5W5i3qo]YouTube - HTC Desire vs Motorola Milestone (part 3)[/video]

PS: They may look a little low-quality at first because they may still be processing (and I have a crappy webcam to record with).

 

[Szadzik]

Guys,

What is the whole discussion about? Proving that one phone is better than another? They are COMPLETELY different phones. One has a physical keyboard and one does not and for some users even if Desire was 2x faster it would never be good enough without a keyboard. I would never trade the keyboard for the speed.

also, Motorola was released in Nov 2009 while desire was released in March 2010 which makes Motorola look old next to Desire, plain and simple.

I bet Motorola will use a better CPU next time they release a high end device because that is what the market requires now.

Milestone IS NOT super-laggy or anything, it is a tiny bit slower in moving around screens and that is nothing I would really call a performance issue. One more thing is that Motorola also has a higher resolution screen which still requires more CPU power.

Conclusion: Both phones are great, but they are targeted at two completely different types of users. 75% of users buying Desire will buy it as an iPhone killer while 75% of Milestone will buy it as a business tool. That is even visible in the design.

 

[cereal killer]

I just posted this in the other thread on this whole debate : )

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The OMAP 3430 has a GPU that pushes 18.5M triangles and about 662M pixels per second @ 550MHz

The specs on the Snapdragon chipset list 22M triangles and 133M pixels per second.

The Snapdragon has a very poor fill rate thus the choppiness in games.

There is no 3D muscle in the Qulacomm.

So essentially depending on what you are doing the Qualcomm/Snapdragon will be poorer in some aspects and better in others and vice versa.

1GHZ is a marketing ploy.

 

[Dave12308]

Burst what bubble? I reckon the Snapdragon could smoke the OMAP even if they were the same clock-for-clock.

An ARM Cortex A8 derived core is only going to run so fast at a given clock speed. There is nothing at all magical about the Snapdragon. And given the slower GPU, there is NO real way that the Snapdragon is going to smoke the OMAP.

I'd venture a guess that if the Snapdragon were really such a revolutionary SOC, then Apple would have chosen IT for the iPad, and not developed their own SOC.

 

[craigcrawford1988]

Slower... what funny words. I am browsing the web right now and I am not lagging like bell when zoomed in like on the Milestone.

 

[craigcrawford1988]

I just posted this in the other thread on this whole debate : )

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The OMAP 3430 has a GPU that pushes 18.5M triangles and about 662M pixels per second @ 550MHz

The specs on the Snapdragon chipset list 22M triangles and 133M pixels per second.

The Snapdragon has a very poor fill rate thus the choppiness in games.

There is no 3D muscle in the Qulacomm.

So essentially depending on what you are doing the Qualcomm/Snapdragon will be poorer in some aspects and better in others and vice versa.

1GHZ is a marketing ploy.

And I posted this:
I think the extra 3.5m polygons (they aren't called triangles) per second is a pretty good show of muscle, not to mention the WiFi performance is also a winning factor.

I had nothing but sloppy performance with the Milestone. I haven't had that issue with the Desire.

 

[cereal killer]

I just posted this in the other thread on this whole debate : )

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The OMAP 3430 has a GPU that pushes 18.5M triangles and about 662M pixels per second @ 550MHz

The specs on the Snapdragon chipset list 22M triangles and 133M pixels per second.

The Snapdragon has a very poor fill rate thus the choppiness in games.

There is no 3D muscle in the Qulacomm.

So essentially depending on what you are doing the Qualcomm/Snapdragon will be poorer in some aspects and better in others and vice versa.

1GHZ is a marketing ploy.

And I posted this:
I think the extra 3.5m polygon (they aren't called triangles)

triangles are a type of polygon mesh in computer graphics.

Lets not argue semantics : )

 

[craigcrawford1988]

I just posted this in the other thread on this whole debate : )

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The OMAP 3430 has a GPU that pushes 18.5M triangles and about 662M pixels per second @ 550MHz

The specs on the Snapdragon chipset list 22M triangles and 133M pixels per second.

The Snapdragon has a very poor fill rate thus the choppiness in games.

There is no 3D muscle in the Qulacomm.

So essentially depending on what you are doing the Qualcomm/Snapdragon will be poorer in some aspects and better in others and vice versa.

1GHZ is a marketing ploy.

And I posted this:
I think the extra 3.5m polygon (they aren't called triangles)

triangles are a type of polygon mesh in computer graphics.

Lets not argue semantics : )

I know, I was just being picky .

 

[Darkseider]

Both SoC are very competent parts. The differences between the two are stock speeds, no more, no less. When a Droid is OC'd to 1Ghz and put next to a Nexus One/Incredible/Desire the performance is damned near dead nuts. For any app that is optimized to take advantage of the PowerVR GPU in the Droid/Milestone it will run better than the Snapdragon units even at stock speed. Lastly is the DSP. The DSP in the OMAP is superior simply due to the fact that it is a T.I. DSP. Texas Instruments has long been known as the kings of DSPs and it shows in their OMAP SoC.

All in all if both devices were put in front of someone wanting a shiny new toy I think the decision will be made on aesthetics over anything else. They will not notice any real performance difference between the two.

 

[Szadzik]

Cereal Killer and craigcrawford1998:

You talk about semantics and CPUs and do not know how to quote properly?

I use Dolphin HD and there is no lag when zooming in or out using pinch to zoom or whatever you call it.

 

[adrynalyne]

Burst what bubble? I reckon the Snapdragon could smoke the OMAP even if they were the same clock-for-clock.

Also, to update you because you seem to have missed important details. Asphalt runs bad on Snapdragon for unknown reasons (check the comments on the app).

I haven't missed any details. I am full aware it runs like crap on the Snapdragon. I have had the game since it was released on the market and find the comments entertaining.

 

[craigcrawford1988]

Burst what bubble? I reckon the Snapdragon could smoke the OMAP even if they were the same clock-for-clock.

Also, to update you because you seem to have missed important details. Asphalt runs bad on Snapdragon for unknown reasons (check the comments on the app).

I haven't missed any details. I am full aware it runs like crap on the Snapdragon. I have had the game since it was released on the market and find the comments entertaining.

Right so you also find it amusing that when a game is released for the PC there are usually major problems for one brand of device and not the other (e.g. ATI and NVIDIA). Take Fallout 3 for example, runs laggy as hell on NVIDIA but smooth on ATI because of the drivers.

You need to learn more.

 

[adrynalyne]

Sounds like you are butt hurt because your desire isn't as godly as you thought.