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Samsung Planning to Kill Off Unofficial Accessories?

I think the more likely reason for the authenticity chips is to determine what accessory, whether it be authentic Samsung or an impostor was connected at the moment of a particular failure. Armed with that information they could deny warranty claims for things such as battery failure, circuit board failure, etc. Also, this may be a way to reduce their liability for things such as exploding batteries. If the battery fails and at the time of failure it's connected to an unauthorized power supply the argument could be that the failure was caused by the inferior charger adapter, and that could eliminate or reduce liability for injury due to the battery exploding.

That's a definite possibility, though in practice perhaps too costly to implement (if the failure doesn't fry everything, they still have to check and verify it).

Now, what I COULD foresee is a pop-up that warns you using this non-Samsung accessory could/would void your warranty. The phone could even end a notification to Samsung of the void of warranty (which only works if people don't flash a rom or perhaps even just root).

Also, when you start talking about "fast charging" then an older micro-USB charger could very well cause issues. And actually a lack of the propietary chip, in that case, could initiate default to the standard charging method to avoid failure.
 
I stand by your comment about inferior charging adaptors.
My field is very similar to the cellphone industry, and we have more than our share of junk chargers and 'cradles' that burn batteries while charging (brute force).
Even the old style transformers-in-a-can type provided superior filtering and quality component count.
You were charged a fair amount for a well built device you could count on to charge your battery, or even run your device from it, without the complexities of charge rate monitoring or drain as the adaptor tried to maintain current flow and charge the battery while the radio was in use, drawing upwards of 6 amps of current.
With the use of ASICS and other core devices to regulate, monitor and charge battery systems, these have also gained capability for use in multi-chemistry packs that were not available even a decade prior.
One charge adaptor can now be used with Ni-Cd, Li-Ion, NimH and the newer polymer based Li packs. And you also obtained the ability to charge small packs or large (250 mAh, to 3,000 mAh) with one single device, where you needed two or more to accomplish the task.
I never stress enough about filtering, both input and output line. Pi filters have been used, as have Tee networks and Chebyschev designs. You even have the digital versions for digital and analog signals.
Electrolytics, ceramics, Tantalum and polymer, along with silver-mica placed in the design. On inputs, I still use a diode as a shunt, because no matter how careful you design a thing, there will be one that can force a square peg into a round hole! I prefer to kill the charging device over a phone or expensive digital two-way portable.
In the realm of electronic components, most passives and discreet devices have long made it to the 'disposable' region, and are pretty much on a level playing field, except those marketed for aerospace and aviation and medical, where failure is NOT an option. No reason to radiation harden a cell charger...is there?
 
I understand the argument for good quality chargers and reducing the risk of using a bad charger or a knockoff. However, I do have a number of OEM chargers that I've collected over the past few years. I should be able to use these chargers without incident. If Samsung didn't try and charge so much for a charger, I'd consider buying more than the one the phone came with.

This is the point I want to drive. I have chargers from Palm, Motorola, and Samsung with my Palm ones being of the highest quality. My GNex is actually modded to use my Palm wireless charger. My next phone will be another moto because outside of my GNex being a nexus, I prefer my Motorola phones any day of the week. Samsung really is trying to be the next Apple. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple sued Samsung just for copying their method of doing business. Haha.
 
This is absolutely horrible. I have several micro-USB chargers from past phones, including a car charger, that I use and it's a huge convenience to leave those chargers where I need them (rather than lug around one that is compatible). Although my Rezound only works with ADB on the official HTC USB cord, but that's manageable.

Would make me think twice about getting a BT physical keyboard and other accessories. Heck, what does this potentially mean for other BT devices?

This is an interesting point. BT keyboards shouldn't be an issue as they don't draw power from or directly connect to the phone. All the ones I've seen have their own on-board batter. What I do think could be a problem are battery packs like Mophie devices. Is Samsung even going to give these companies the opportunity to get a certification and Samsung chip to provide accessories that Samsung itself does not offer and are items that offer great convenience for the customer? Also, how are they going to handle their pricing? The rate being mentioned for their wall chargers is utterly ridiculous.

They also need to consider how they are going to handle this with carrier-branded accessories. When you get new devices the car chargers and other accessories are generally not OEM items, but I would assume meet some standard of production. I don't think VZ, AT&T, etc will get along too well if they can't sell their own packages as they do now. I guess the situation may be similar with Apple devices though, so perhaps they'll just have to take what they can get.
 
I stand by your comment about inferior charging adaptors.
My field is very similar to the cellphone industry, and we have more than our share of junk chargers and 'cradles' that burn batteries while charging (brute force).
Even the old style transformers-in-a-can type provided superior filtering and quality component count.
You were charged a fair amount for a well built device you could count on to charge your battery, or even run your device from it, without the complexities of charge rate monitoring or drain as the adaptor tried to maintain current flow and charge the battery while the radio was in use, drawing upwards of 6 amps of current.
With the use of ASICS and other core devices to regulate, monitor and charge battery systems, these have also gained capability for use in multi-chemistry packs that were not available even a decade prior...

...I never stress enough about filtering, both input and output line. Pi filters have been used, as have Tee networks and Chebyschev designs. You even have the digital versions for digital and analog signals.

Electrolytics, ceramics, Tantalum and polymer, along with silver-mica placed in the design. On inputs, I still use a diode as a shunt, because no matter how careful you design a thing, there will be one that can force a square peg into a round hole! I prefer to kill the charging device over a phone or expensive digital two-way portable.
In the realm of electronic components, most passives and discreet devices have long made it to the 'disposable' region, and are pretty much on a level playing field, except those marketed for aerospace and aviation and medical, where failure is NOT an option. No reason to radiation harden a cell charger...is there?

What I do think could be a problem are battery packs like Mophie devices. Is Samsung even going to give these companies the opportunity to get a certification and Samsung chip to provide accessories that Samsung itself does not offer and are items that offer great convenience for the customer? Also, how are they going to handle their pricing? The rate being mentioned for their wall chargers is utterly ridiculous.

They also need to consider how they are going to handle this with carrier-branded accessories. When you get new devices the car chargers and other accessories are generally not OEM items, but I would assume meet some standard of production. I don't think VZ, AT&T, etc will get along too well if they can't sell their own packages as they do now. I guess the situation may be similar with Apple devices though, so perhaps they'll just have to take what they can get.

Both are excellent, informative and very valid arguments. If this chip did in fact prevent other chargers from being used, then all existing equipment such as cars with charge adapters built in (such as my 2010 Ford F-150 with Sync technology and USB charging port), would be rendered useless. They won't win any fans that way.

Aceradio's post is spot on. This is what I've been saying all along but he has come in and lent his experience and credibility to my claims.


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They won't win any fans that way.
That phase of their plan is over with. I've been saying it for the last couple of years, but every move Samsung makes at this point is a reflection of Apple's lockdown on their products. They spent billions of dollars on R&D, listening to the consumers, and marketing their products globally. Now that they've acquired hundreds of millions of fans across the world, they can start forcing their grip on the consumer base. Their Tizen operating system is just around the corner, and you can bet it'll have the same stringent rules in place as iOS, to keep people from tinkering with it.

This whole thing is very red pill VS blue pill. The blue pill showcases a proprietary experience, wherein the company controls every aspect of how you use your device...right down to what power cords are available. The entire experience is streamlined, easy to use, requires very little decision making, and rewards the user by being so amiable. The red pill on the other hand, is most modern Android devices. The user has total control of the situation, and all of the risks that come with it. You can buy that charger that puts out more juice than your device needs, you can download that shady looking app and install it if you so choose.

But that's the price of freedom; the choice to do the wrong thing intentionally or not...and accepting the consequences for your actions.
 
That phase of their plan is over with. I've been saying it for the last couple of years, but every move Samsung makes at this point is a reflection of Apple's lockdown on their products. They spent billions of dollars on R&D, listening to the consumers, and marketing their products globally. Now that they've acquired hundreds of millions of fans across the world, they can start forcing their grip on the consumer base. Their Tizen operating system is just around the corner, and you can bet it'll have the same stringent rules in place as iOS, to keep people from tinkering with it.

This whole thing is very red pill VS blue pill. The blue pill showcases a proprietary experience, wherein the company controls every aspect of how you use your device...right down to what power cords are available. The entire experience is streamlined, easy to use, requires very little decision making, and rewards the user by being so amiable. The red pill on the other hand, is most modern Android devices. The user has total control of the situation, and all of the risks that come with it. You can buy that charger that puts out more juice than your device needs, you can download that shady looking app and install it if you so choose.

But that's the price of freedom; the choice to do the wrong thing intentionally or not...and accepting the consequences for your actions.

Unfortunately you may be right in every aspect of your comments. I tend to be a cautious optimist rather than a doomsayer. Bad news or speculation, if later is discovered not to be completely true still causes damage to the reputation of the one who is newsworthy. IMHO, it's also counterproductive to the entire industry and may actually thwart further advances due to the concerns of backlash.

The real reason for the chips may be for the sole purpose of warding off true "knock-off" products manufactured overseas, in inferior manufacturing facilities, using child labor, or with employees being abused, with inferior parts, inferior engineering, and ultimately resulting in a potentially damaging product which is then sold here and other countries at only a slightly lower price than the OEM wholesale or retail prices, but at HUGE profits. I know that Chinese (and other), knock-offs which look, feel, smell and seem to operate the same as the true OEM product are flooding the market in the millions of unit counts, and with it are creating a back-flow of US (and other nations') capital, right back across the seas to the point of origin. In a sense, by doing nothing we're effectively and passively funding an oppressive military communist regime.

This is a huge problem across most industries and we're not even scratching the surface regarding just how big a problem it is. If Samsung and other manufacturers don't do their part to "secure the borders" of their products, they can't be as profitable, they put themselves at risk of bad publicity for failures that aren't even of their products, and they are also at potential liability for catastrophic failures of their products which may be entirely caused by the knock-off adapters as the case may be.

I for one, applaud any way that the manufacturers can assure me the product I am buying is in fact genuine. Microsoft does it with their hologram labels and 16 digit authentication codes, as well as with their back-end authentication processes, as does virtually every other software manufacturer. Bootlegging is a huge problem in the music and video industry as well and we all know what kind of financial impact it has had there. Sure, the complaints there were that the product hadn't changed with the needs of the market and the times (i.e. paying the price of an entire album for what amounts to 2 songs you like), and the cries of abuse by the artists in the press who claim they were only receiving a small part of the profits, and that the record producers and managers were taking the lion's share. I am not here to say which is right and which is wrong regarding RIAA, but bootlegging and knock-off products in any industry is theft. Geez, even high-end handbags costing hundreds of dollars, as well as shoes and sun glasses are being knocked-off at alarming rates and this is not getting any better. Why should cell phone hardware manufacturers have any less right to be able to protect themselves from the same kind of thievery as the software, recording and other industries are trying to do?

We're not far away from all products having nano-sized particles embedded in them which are completely undetectable, and yet with the right equipment can be quickly identified to prove (or disprove) authentic products. Diamonds are micro-etched with serial numbers for authenticity. I'm sure there are even other methods in development - some which may be even more covert. I say, bring them on.
 
Which is all fine and dandy more or less; until they go from proving a fake, to forcing you to buy their specific item when other brands etc would work fine.
 
For me it would be all about price. I bought all my spare wall and car chargers from Amazon. They were said to be OEM Motorola stuffs, which I did want, for far cheaper than the store price. I'll never pay $40 for a charger.

One thing I have always bought first party though, is game controllers. From my NES Advantage, to my Xbox 360, always first party. Those third party controllers just never felt right to me, too cheap, but at least the option was there, for those that didn't care.
 
If Samsung does this and restricts me from using 3rd party chargers on my phones I will not purchase another Samsung device. I have a mix of 3rd party chargers and OEM chargers from other manufactors that came with the phones that I use. I'll go back to Moto ro someone else.
 
This is an attempt to be further "Apple-Like".

It won't stop here. Perhaps a Samsung App store is in their future. :icon_eek:

they were working on their own OS weren't they?

I'm pretty sure I won't buy any samsung device EVER again if this happens.

which sucks, I've avoided apple forever, never owned an apple anything, to not buy a samsung TV DVD player etc etc... I would definitely boycott this company like I already do apple.

except they make the LCD panels in everything. BAH!!!!
 
Aftermarket lockup is not going to take place. The market will force the bad out, and retain those that are worthy.
Free enterprise has always been the best control switch.
If Samsung locks up the charger/aftermarket cable supply as Apple did, they will lose sales and upgrades from current customers, not to mention the loss from would-be customers that were informed of their path.

If I were marketing a costly product, I sure would NEVER bite the hands that feed me by forcing them to buy only from my company for their accessories.

A $30.00 charger is not worth losing a customer for, when they might be buying a new, $375.00 phone or tablet with my company name on it...BAD for business, MY business!
 
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