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So who's super disappointed?

I can understand why a developer might have great interest in the Moto X just as many developers loved the Galaxy Nexus.

I'm not a developer and am more interested in screen size, battery life, storage, superior radios and overall speed. Galaxy Nexus was the most disappointing phone I ever purchased.
 
I want all my music and photos stored on my device accessible to me whenever and wherever I want it. Not at the convenience of the phone company or cloud services to charge me a fee to access what I already own. Where I am with or without a signal is my business. If the manufacturers of these devices won't have an SD card slot, then at least have a 128 GB of storage or more built into it. If someone like me can think of this stuff, then the smart people that design and build these devices should be decades ahead of me when it comes to innovation and creativity.
 
I've been a long time "lurker" of the droidforums but never really posted much of anything, but I've got to say I'm WAY more disappointed in the people who are discussing these phones than I am the phones themselves.

To start off, what in the world are you people doing on your phones that requires a ridiculous 8 core processor like the Exynos 5 and 3 gigs of ram? I've had a Droid Bionic since it was released and I've NEVER had any issues with the phone chugging while I use it.

I don't want a phone crammed with ridiculous hardware. I want a phone that has fancy software, awesome battery life, and cool features that I'm actually going to be able to use.


I don't want to discuss pricing etc, because my main concern is the moto x being compared to the s4 and htc one and being labeled as worthless simply because it took a different approach to being awesome. I really don't understand why a phone is only truly amazing if it's got maxed out hardware.
 
Here here!
I feel like Motorola has build the X just for me because everything about it interests me. I find the smooth software experience very enticing and the form factor to be perfect. I'm going to be picking one up as soon as it's available and dumping this bionic, which doesn't friggin work on the Chromecast I just bought.

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I've been a long time "lurker" of the droidforums but never really posted much of anything, but I've got to say I'm WAY more disappointed in the people who are discussing these phones than I am the phones themselves.

To start off, what in the world are you people doing on your phones that requires a ridiculous 8 core processor like the Exynos 5 and 3 gigs of ram? I've had a Droid Bionic since it was released and I've NEVER had any issues with the phone chugging while I use it.

I don't want a phone crammed with ridiculous hardware. I want a phone that has fancy software, awesome battery life, and cool features that I'm actually going to be able to use.


I don't want to discuss pricing etc, because my main concern is the moto x being compared to the s4 and htc one and being labeled as worthless simply because it took a different approach to being awesome. I really don't understand why a phone is only truly amazing if it's got maxed out hardware.

In order to enjoy that fancy software, good battery life, and cool features, ANY device has to have the the hardware that is POWERFUL enough to support those things. Software depends on the hardware it is being installed on. Processor and RAM= the abilities of the software to perform efficiently and correctly. Same goes for why computers now have bigger hard drives, more powerful processors and loads of RAM.
 
I've been a long time "lurker" of the droidforums but never really posted much of anything, but I've got to say I'm WAY more disappointed in the people who are discussing these phones than I am the phones themselves.

To start off, what in the world are you people doing on your phones that requires a ridiculous 8 core processor like the Exynos 5 and 3 gigs of ram? I've had a Droid Bionic since it was released and I've NEVER had any issues with the phone chugging while I use it.

I don't want a phone crammed with ridiculous hardware. I want a phone that has fancy software, awesome battery life, and cool features that I'm actually going to be able to use.


I don't want to discuss pricing etc, because my main concern is the moto x being compared to the s4 and htc one and being labeled as worthless simply because it took a different approach to being awesome. I really don't understand why a phone is only truly amazing if it's got maxed out hardware.

However the only point you didn't touch on is the only one that matters. Do you think this phone would have a single naysayer if it were sold at $300-350 off contract through the play store? The issue isn't hardware, it's the price of the hardware it has. The software isn't worth $600+ because any phone can have it.

This device is financially counter-intuitive. And that's why I made this thread. You're rant is better suited in a thread of it's own because it doesn't really apply to my point at all.
 
However the only point you didn't touch on is the only one that matters. Do you think this phone would have a single naysayer if it were sold at $300-350 off contract through the play store? The issue isn't hardware, it's the price of the hardware it has. The software isn't worth $600+ because any phone can have it.

This device is financially counter-intuitive. And that's why I made this thread. You're rant is better suited in a thread of it's own because it doesn't really apply to my point at all.


I'm not touching on the pricing of the phones because in the year and a half I've been lurking everything I've seen about phones is exactly the same before, during and after the launch. When the S4 was announced there were complaints that $600($200 on contract) is not worth the fancy new tv remote and touchless controls and they might as well save $50($150 on contract) and just get the S3; but now that it's released and what not it's suddenly totally worth the $600 simply because it has a fancy processor in it and the S3 is old.

The other reason I'm not touching on the pricing of the phones is because the pricing of the phones is not worth the hardware no matter which phone it is; it's not worth it in the GN2/3, it's not worth it in the S4, the HTC One and the 3 new droids on Big Red. There is absolutely no reason for an 8 core processor with 3 gigs of ram on your phone because there's next to nothing that will have a legitimate need for that kind of power. Currently running 4.2.2 on my BIONIC and there's nothing chugging and I only have a dual core and 1 gig of ram.

If older phones were going to receive all the new software updates and what not I would without a doubt be buying one of those phones because this whole "cram the most powerful toys into this case" race is getting ridiculous. If awesome features I'm going to have an actual use for are going to be part of a phone, while also having an awesome design to them then I would without a doubt pay $600 for it. That makes much more sense than paying $600 for a phone with toys that are ONLY good for benchmark scores.


"In order to enjoy that fancy software, good battery life, and cool features, ANY device has to have the the hardware that is POWERFUL enough to support those things. Software depends on the hardware it is being installed on. Processor and RAM= the abilities of the software to perform efficiently and correctly. Same goes for why computers now have bigger hard drives, more powerful processors and loads of RAM."

Erm not sure how to multiquote so forgive me.

I'm aware of this, and that's exactly what moto did with the x, everything they've done(at least from what's been advertised) has been about getting the hardware and software to mesh perfectly, which is what i've been dreaming about in a phone for ages.
 
LuLx

The Moto X maybe a great phone; I don't know. My concern is that the carriers are going to charge a premium price, e. g., 199$ for a phone that costs considerably less to build than a GS4 or IPhone 5.

I bought the Galaxy Nexus when it first went on sale for what was, at the time, the highest price ever for a Verizon subsidized phone. It was an inferior piece of hardware. (And, yes, I understand that it was intended for developers) The point being that the build cost didn't justify the retail price.

On the other hand, I bought a Note 2 for a premium price--and got premium hardware.

Ultimately my question regarding the Moto X is whether the rather mundane (and less costly parts) are employed to jack up the margins beyond what a manufacturer gets for a premium phone.

I understand that your basic point is that the consumer should be more concerned about overall performance not cost. I get it. But if the hardware is the modern equivalent of a Nexus 4, then charge the Nexus 4 price, not the Note 2 or GS4 price.
 
LuLx

The Moto X maybe a great phone; I don't know. My concern is that the carriers are going to charge a premium price, e. g., 199$ for a phone that costs considerably less to build than a GS4 or IPhone 5.

I bought the Galaxy Nexus when it first went on sale for what was, at the time, the highest price ever for a Verizon subsidized phone. It was an inferior piece of hardware. (And, yes, I understand that it was intended for developers) The point being that the build cost didn't justify the retail price.

On the other hand, I bought a Note 2 for a premium price--and got premium hardware.

Ultimately my question regarding the Moto X is whether the rather mundane (and less costly parts) are employed to jack up the margins beyond what a manufacturer gets for a premium phone.

I understand that your basic point is that the consumer should be more concerned about overall performance not cost. I get it. But if the hardware is the modern equivalent of a Nexus 4, then charge the Nexus 4 price, not the Note 2 or GS4 price.

I'm not an idiot. I understand pricing, hardware, software, the google store, carrier manipulation etc; that's why I tried to stay away from that. The issues I have with everything is the comparison of the actually phone based PURELY on hardware numbers that, in reality, mean absolutely NOTHING to anyone who isn't trying to figure out a way to make CATIA work on their S4.

That is EXACTLY the point I'm trying to make. The phone hasn't even been physically released yet and it's already got a casket right next to the grave everyone's dug for it. I'm not saying the phone isn't going to be a disappointment, I'm just trying to understand how someone could possibly say the phone is worthless based solely on the fact that it has "outdated" hardware. Even that hardware that's "outdated" isn't even outdated if you take it into perspective. The processors people want in phones are the processors that are still ahead of their times. They want the snapdragon 800, the exynos 5 etc, and those are barely done cooling off after coming off the line.

I also understand people have tested the phone, we've had a few people sound off saying they physically have the phone in their hand and they said it wasn't that great. Obviously that's an opinion, which can be taken MANY different ways. For instance, I'm really looking for a phone that has the perfect hardware/software mesh that's going to include fantastic software features that are actually going to see use. Who the hell is going to take the time to open, load, and figure out how to use the IR tech on the S4 if a remote is literally 2 inches away? On the other hand, if my phone automatically detects that I'm driving and gives me the option for immediate voice commands instead of making me navigate to them, that's an awesome feature. Like I said, those are opinions so I understand they go many different ways.

If the phone is going to do something spectacular, whether hardware or software, you're going to pay for it. Engineers and Coders alike put equal time into their projects, you're either going to pay for the cost of the parts, or the cost of the designers creating the software.
 
Point taken.

It's premature to judge the merits of the Moto X.

Nonetheless I will be interested to see whether the 199$ subsidized price devolves to a 99 cent special after 60 days.
 
Point taken.

It's premature to judge the merits of the Moto X.

Nonetheless I will be interested to see whether the 199$ subsidized price devolves to a 99 cent special after 60 days.

I'm extremely interested as well. I'm really hoping Moto figured it out and got it right. It'll be a bummer if it nose dives and we're back to the tech cramming.
 
Pricing.

You truly believe the (American) Motorola X costs less to manufacture than a (Korean) Samsung S4?

I think you guys have forgotten this little tidbit, the Motorola X is indeed built in America by US citizens earning a respectable wage, this alone inflates production costs to a whole different level.

Specs.

A devices specs are limited entirely by how well the software actually works, you can try to throw better hardware at the problem but a lower specced device with optimized software will win.

Value.

This is entirely dependant on the individual.

Disappointed.

Not at all, this device is a meshing of Google glass with handsets (touch free information). This is the future.
 
I'd rather have an led notifier and an fm radio than any of the new fancy crap.

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Pricing.

You truly believe the (American) Motorola X costs less to manufacture than a (Korean) Samsung S4?

I think you guys have forgotten this little tidbit, the Motorola X is indeed built in America by US citizens earning a respectable wage, this alone inflates production costs to a whole different level..

Um, yes, I do.

Motorola's new Moto X phone doesn't cost more to make simply because it's assembled in Texas, research firm IHS said Wednesday.The Moto X is the first smartphone to carry the "Made in the U.S.A." designation. Labor costs are higher in the U.S. compared with Asian factories, where phones are typically made. But IHS said the Moto X is about 5 percent cheaper to make than Samsung Electronic Co.'s flagship Galaxy S4 phone. The firm said the Moto X's overall production cost is just 9 percent more than that of Apple's iPhone 5.
The findings come as little surprise, as the labor cost of a phone is just a small part of its production cost. IHS estimates that labor and other assembly costs Motorola $12 per phone for the Moto X, bringing the production cost to $226. That compares with $207 for the iPhone 5 and $237 for the Galaxy S4. IHS said Motorola is able to keep the cost of parts low by using standard components that don't break much new ground.
By assembling the phone in Fort Worth, Texas, Motorola is able to let customers order custom designs online for delivery within four days. Standard black or white models are available immediately at retail stores.
"With the Moto X, Motorola is reaping the public-relations and customization upsides of producing a smartphone in the United States, while maintaining competitive hardware costs," said Andrew Rassweiler, senior director for cost benchmarking services at IHS.
IHS said the estimated $12 for assembly is about $3.50 to $4 more than other leading phones.
"Our initial estimate suggests the additional costs of onshoring the Moto X are relatively low," IHS said.
The phone went on sale last Friday, starting with AT&T. It's coming to other carriers, including Verizon this week. The Moto X's price is about $200 with a two-year service agreement.
The Moto X is Motorola's first phone designed from the start under its new owner, Google Inc. The Internet search company bought Motorola Mobility for $12.4 billion last year.








Read more: Motorola phone made in US isn't more expensive to make, iSuppli says | Fox News

As you can see, "whole different level" really turns out to be about the same damn thing in the end.
 
What the hell is the point ? The phone is not best specs and software enhanced. Still good but not great

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