The iPhone Gets Wireless Charging In 2017?!

[mountainbikermark]

Actually it's not that far fetched. Most alternators charge at 13.8 to 14.2 volts. With everything we have on cars now, that is a substantial draw over time using more gasoline than needed. If a solar cell in the sunroof/moonroof could off set the draw by these devices, heated seats, daytime running lights, NAVS, phones, entertainment systems, etc. It would help reduce the load on the alternator and increase fuel economy. Will you see tons of MPGs, no you won't even see 1mpg increase but every bit of energy not pulling the alternator down helps. And you could charge the cars battery while it's sitting outside all day long while you work.

We have a camp that is 100% off the grid, well because there isn't a grid up where camp is. We have 3 solar arrays and a bunch of batteries to run the place.

That idea of charging the auto battery sounds very good. As I said before the alternator when not charging the battery has less friction, thus the fuel savings. For those that make short trips the alternator never gets as chance to idle because, like my truck, it isn't running long enough to refill the energy used to start the truck several times a day and make mostly 5-10 minute trips. I put about 2k miles on my truck every year (mostly short trips) but start it a minimum of 4 times a day. Turn signals, brake lights, etc use little power each use but little things like that add up to three alternator charging most of the time with very little idling. I can hear the difference in belt squeak when my battery gets full. Much like a gasoline engine recharges a hybrid vehicle battery,a solar panel on a non hybrid could save energy but on a lesser scale. Put a solar panel on a hybrid vehicle and the energy savings, though minute, could be had there as well. With the efficiency increases in panels now it could make a significant difference. I have a couple of solar flashlights that I just keep near a lamp when not using them and the ambient light used for the fish tank keeps them pretty much full unless I use them for a long period. Then I have to put them in a sunny spot for a faster charge rate. I use my solar charger to recharge the portable batteries my family recharges their devices with when we go camping. (Yeah I know electronic devices don't equate to real camping but it ain't worth the argument with the family).


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[FoxKat]

Interesting concept fox, but as one that uses his vehicle for an office from time to time, having the charge available to power a laptop etc, without having to start the engine, costing fuel and ultimately engine use that would be saved by having an embedded panel.
Yes the lead acid battery has power, but I've drained mine on several occasions more than desirable and needed a jump because I didn't turn on the engine early enough, to charge the power cell...

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@mountainbikermark and others, I certainly agree that it's a step in the right direction and that every little bit helps. If it were a significant application of the solar charging panel that topped off the starter battery after starting the car so that the alternator wasn't put under strain to do so it would reduce fuel consumption due to reduced loads on the alternator and therefore the engine.

Also for during times you were using the car as an office it would be a suitable option to using the cars battery for extended power usage, something the standard car battery is not well suited for anyway. A car battery is designed to provide high current under high load for short periods of time (Cold Cranking Amps), to run the starter and to provide the initial spark to cause engine ignition but using it to provide low current over longer periods of time causes it to discharge as you've experienced. A deep discharge Marine battery, or a gel cell battery system such as built in to a briefcase with the solar panel described is better suited for those applications. In fact adding a Marine battery on a bypass circuit into a car, so when the car engine is not running but power is being drawn it uses only the Marine battery would resolve this.

I'm all for applying solar, wind, hydroelectric, thermoelectric and other low impact renewable sources of power to wean and eventually remove us from fossil fuels altogether. I just want a real concerted effort by our society to do so, not just the tiny trickle charger panels mentioned.

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[Efin]

Interesting, I'll stick with the panels on my home for now, at least they are allowed...
if only the environmentalists would allow more wind power production, and not be so concerned with a few birds...

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[Mustang02]

@mountainbikermark
I'm all for applying solar, wind, hydroelectric, thermoelectric and other low impact renewable sources of power to wean and eventually remove us from fossil fuels altogether. I just want a real concerted effort by our society to do so, not just the tiny trickle charger panels mentioned.

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I was just at NASA and their new photovoltaic panels are crazy

 

[Mustang02]

Interesting, I'll stick with the panels on my home for now, at least they are allowed...
if only the environmentalists would allow more wind power production, and not be so concerned with a few birds...

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Wind isn't that efficient. The overhaul of the rotors and bearings make windmills lose money. The carbon fiber blades have to be ground up when they are changed. Can't reuse them.

 

[FoxKat]

I was just at NASA and their new photovoltaic panels are crazy

I'm sure this will be a better utilized method of power generation in the near term, but I suspect other methods will eventually overtake it, such as geothermal, underwater wave hydroelectric, and if ever, possible fusion. I even see a place for Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology.

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[Efin]

Wind isn't that efficient. The overhaul of the rotors and bearings make windmills lose money. The carbon fiber blades have to be ground up when they are changed. Can't reuse them.

Was going to say build more Nuke power, but figured wind, but it wouldn't always blow...


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[mountainbikermark]

@mountainbikermark and others, I certainly agree that it's a step in the right direction and that every little bit helps. If it were a significant application of the solar charging panel that topped off the starter battery after starting the car so that the alternator wasn't put under strain to do so it would reduce fuel consumption due to reduced loads on the alternator and therefore the engine.

Also for during times you were using the car as an office it would be a suitable option to using the cars battery for extended power usage, something the standard car battery is not well suited for anyway. A car battery is designed to provide high current under high load for short periods of time (Cold Cranking Amps), to run the starter and to provide the initial spark to cause engine ignition but using it to provide low current over longer periods of time causes it to discharge as you've experienced. A deep discharge Marine battery, or a gel cell battery system such as built in to a briefcase with the solar panel described is better suited for those applications. In fact adding a Marine battery on a bypass circuit into a car, so when the car engine is not running but power is being drawn it uses only the Marine battery would resolve this.

I'm all for applying solar, wind, hydroelectric, thermoelectric and other low impact renewable sources of power to wean and eventually remove us from fossil fuels altogether. I just want a real concerted effort by our society to do so, not just the tiny trickle charger panels mentioned.

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I don't really care about what society does in general because my green agenda is the green backs left in my wallet each month not spent on energy, be it gasoline or electricity to recharge my phone. Solar panels are like SD cards and sticks of RAM. The more made per batch, the less the cost. The more made, the more efficiency and capability get pushed ahead , repeat.
To get back to charging a device, it could be marketed as a benefit, like a navigation system has become, that is standard on many vehicles to put an area in the center of the dash with a grippy pad backed by a wireless charge area, vertically in a console, etc where there is little to no effort to utilize the wireless charging capability while at the same time as Efin wrote a sun roof could be put on more vehicles that is in actuality the solar panel. My wife's Honda mini van has a sun roof. Why I don't know but it would be perfect for a solar panel to charge her navigation system if nothing else.
And to get back on topic, if the new iPhone came with wireless charging capability there's a few million folks that'd buy the concept simply because Apple invented solar panels and has a patent on sunshine.

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[Efin]

Wow that got derailed fast, apologize for my swing...
Basically if Apple does it it will push the others, Moto, HTC, LG etc to look closer at it as well, like its been said, it's the bomb on the Samsung's.

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[Sajo]

The only thing I disagree with in this whole thread is that Sammy is the only one really pushing this. We have had wireless charging on the last few Moto Droid models, and other Moto phones also. Some Apple people will think Apple invented it and they are the first to have it, that's inevitable. I think they should build it in, to appease their fans . Even though I use it sometimes it's still not a must have / deal breaker feature for me. I could live just fine without it.

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[xeene]

Wind isn't that efficient. The overhaul of the rotors and bearings make windmills lose money. The carbon fiber blades have to be ground up when they are changed. Can't reuse them.

In combination with solar and hydro plants it works wonders Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

 

[Efin]

Yes, it's not a deal breaker here at all, I put it on my S5, and was happy it's built into my S6. Certainly Apple Sheep will claim they had it first, just like Sammy Sheep may do the same...
Point is, it's good to see others develop a great tech into their product. Apple makes a quality device, just like Sammy etc, more the merrier.

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[Mustang02]

In combination with solar and hydro plants it works wonders Germany had so much renewable energy on Sunday that it had to pay people to use electricity

Rare event still doesn't account for operating expenses.

 

[xeene]

I'm pretty sure they account for everything prior to start paying people to use power.

 

[CJM]

I prefer wireless charging over plug in charging. For me, between the computer & charging, the charging ports on all my phones wear out quickly.

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