Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition

cr6 said:
I actually like that they give us the "option". You give the regular user the security of having a truly "secure" phone, (or at least more secure). And those that want an unlocked bootloader, have that option available to them. There usually isn't any difference in price, and really....simply having the option available to us is what has made Android SO attractive for SO long.

S5 tap'n
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I understand where you're going with this, but if all of them were able to be unlocked, the real question is how many people would unlock them. In most cases users wouldn't unlock them because they wouldn't see the need or desire to, and only those like us who are anxious to try different things with them such as flashing other ROMs or other types of mods would do the unlock. So my argument is the phone that would need to be secure would be secure and the ones that didn't need to be secure by choice wouldn't be.
 
liftedplane said:
Aside from listening to music that's in the shower with me there may be some... video... reasons. ya know :D

I already take it everywhere else with me why not the shower or pool
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Pool, yes. Beach, maybe. Shower, well, depends on who's in it with me.
 
Slickademo said:
I'm leaning towards the droid turbo. Looks to have the best specs overall. Hopefully it'll be easy to unlock the bootloader :)
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Sorry to disappoint, but in all likelihood it's going to be either impossible or nearly impossible to unlock or root that phone. Motorola and Verizon were able to lock down the Droid Maxx and the Droid Ultra from rooting (using some pretty high end algorythm). So I have every reason to believe they use the same level or even more aggressive tactics to make this phone secure.
 
FoxKat said:
I want to know how he showers with the s5. I mean, how does he hold the soap and the wash rag? How does he wash his hair? On second thought, maybe I don't want to know.
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I know exactly what you mean & how you feel.

Sent from my Note 4
 
FoxKat said:
Sorry to disappoint, but in all likelihood it's going to be either impossible or nearly impossible to unlock for root that phone. Motorola and Verizon were able to lock down the Droid Maxx and the Droid Ultra from routing. So I have every reason to believe they use the same level or even more aggressive tactics to make this phone secure.
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I unlocked my RAZR HD. It won't be easy but I think it'll happen. I am also really considering the Sony Xperia Z3V.... Droid turbo is just beast.
 
The Note 3 Dev Edition ended up being a total letdown for one reason: not nearly enough supply. There were many, many people interested in them, and Samsung never made enough available. They also were painfully slow in making the stock Boot Images available to Devs, so it was quite some time before they were able to really do anything ROM wise with them. The Dev Edition is necessary to run AOSP ROMs like CM on the VZ variant, but it is a non-issue on other carrier versions.

Seeing that the Nexus 6 doesn't have any bigger footprint than the iPhone 6 plus and will be easily unlockable while sharing many features of the Droid Turbo--perhaps looking better in the process--I may have to support it over the Turbo, and definitely would look at it before a Dev Edition Samsung. You also have to bear in mind that even the Dev Edition will feature Knox, meaning that if something happens and you can reset the counter, there may be no means of getting a replacement device even through the manufacturer.

I don't do a lot of tweaking, but the current state of Google's App data backup still doesn't save you the pain of having to download the Apps again. With TiBu cloud storage, there are still good solutions at hand. Anyway, to each his own, but between Knox and Verizon, this Dev Edition isn't quite what it's cracked up to be.
 
You can root and not trip Knox.
 
The Dev edition Samsung devices are just way for Samsung to get a few more customers, that's it. Once you purchase it, you are left in the cold. Not only do you sacrifice your warranty, but they offer 0, that's zero, support. No upgrades, no official firmware to restore, nothing. You flash your aboot partition once and you are done - no more Dev edition. Just a poor way to unlock a device imo.
 
livinginkaos said:
The Dev edition Samsung devices are just way for Samsung to get a few more customers, that's it. Once you purchase it, you are left in the cold. Not only do you sacrifice your warranty, but they offer 0, that's zero, support. No upgrades, no official firmware to restore, nothing. You flash your aboot partition once and you are done - no more Dev edition. Just a poor way to unlock a device imo.
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livinginkaos said:
The Dev edition Samsung devices are just way for Samsung to get a few more customers, that's it. Once you purchase it, you are left in the cold. Not only do you sacrifice your warranty, but they offer 0, that's zero, support. No upgrades, no official firmware to restore, nothing. You flash your aboot partition once and you are done - no more Dev edition. Just a poor way to unlock a device imo.
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Indeed. The Devs had to beg for months to get anything in the way of files, and IIRC, we're never given the stock boot images. The Dev Edition only got one official update and will as of now never see Lollipop. It is an utter waste of money, especially compared to what you get in terms of manufacturer and Dev rollout for LG, HTC, and Nexus devices, and even some carrier-branded Motos. This is not the phone to get if you want a robust customization library.

As to the other comment above, rooting without tripping Knox is possible, but it's one more hurdle that doesn't have to be avoided on other manufacturer devices. Samsung has a history of leaving their Dev Editions in the dust and goes to great lengths to make development painful, and I see no reason to support that.
 
They couldn't give us the stock boot images because that is how they perform the unlock. Any unlocked device that requires a different piece of firmware than the consumer model is a waste of time and money. It should not bare the same device name imo.

sent from my G3
 
Slickademo said:
I unlocked my RAZR HD. It won't be easy but I think it'll happen. I am also really considering the Sony Xperia Z3V.... Droid turbo is just beast.
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The RAZR HD was not locked down like the new MAXX and other recent Motorola phones are now. They still haven't rooted the MAXX on KitKat and it's been many months since the update broke root.

As I said before, achieving rooting of the new Turbo is unfortunately not looking good. As for the xperia I can't predict.
 
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