So then you are willing to DOUBLE pay for your Data plan!?? Listen the bottom line is; you are already paying for data now if you don't mind double paying.... I can't help you there. 2-200GB a Month on an UNLIMITED plan is still UNLIMITED!!! I could care less if that use is all on the phone or via a Tether because you know what!? People are already PAYING FOR UNLIMITED DATA!!!
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Verizon Plans to Stop Unsanctioned Tethering that Uses Unofficial Apps
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So then you are willing to DOUBLE pay for your Data plan!?? Listen the bottom line is; you are already paying for data now if you don't mind double paying.... I can't help you there. 2-200GB a Month on an UNLIMITED plan is still UNLIMITED!!! I could care less if that use is all on the phone or via a Tether because you know what!? People are already PAYING FOR UNLIMITED DATA!!!
That's just it... It's NOT stealing.. What the providers are doing is stealing from the customer. They are already PAYING for the Data..... The Provider is charging for that same data twice. You pay 30.00 a month for Unlimited data (Grandfather'd plan), Verizon/AT&t want to charge you another 20-30.00 for data Tethering.... So in the end; you are paying 60.00 a month for that Unlimited data. I wish people would stop defending the providers and start standing up with the rest of the consumer market for honest and fair billing practices.
I wish that too. The problem is no one is doing that. They're just stealing. It's one thing if people actually "stand up" and do something, but violating your contract on purpose is not the way to do it. It all comes down to people just doing it cuz VZW is doing nothing about it. Trust me, if VZW starts charging people who tether illegally, people will just stop tethering. No one is going to go to court and fight VZW. Everyone is in their "we're not going to take it" mode because no one is stopping them.
I'd love to see the uproar here if VZW started charging grandfathered people overages or something. Then when you complain they say "oh unlimited is only from 1AM to 1:30AM"...of course if VZW knowingly violates the contract, everyone here would go bezerk. But it's ok to do it to them....go figure.
I wish that too. The problem is no one is doing that. They're just stealing. It's one thing if people actually "stand up" and do something, but violating your contract on purpose is not the way to do it. It all comes down to people just doing it cuz VZW is doing nothing about it. Trust me, if VZW starts charging people who tether illegally, people will just stop tethering. No one is going to go to court and fight VZW. Everyone is in their "we're not going to take it" mode because no one is stopping them.
I'd love to see the uproar here if VZW started charging grandfathered people overages or something. Then when you complain they say "oh unlimited is only from 1AM to 1:30AM"...of course if VZW knowingly violates the contract, everyone here would go bezerk. But it's ok to do it to them....go figure.
I would agree with this in a fair and just and equal world, but unfortunately, that is not the kind of world we live in. It's getting to the point that we have to sign/check/agree with TOS for everything we do. My problem with that is the the TOS are ALWAYS stacked in the corporation's favor, of course they are, why wouldn't they be - they are the ones that wrote it? So what are our options as the middle America end-user? For most people, it's to take what we are given, don't bite the hands that feeds and stay in place. For others, it's taking the advantages, loopholes, and opportunities that are given that are felt balance out the deck a little bit. Of course no one is "going to go court and fight it" because anyone who could afford a battle like that could care less about paying an extra $30 a month for tether to their phone.
Just like you say "Everyone is in their "we're not going to take it" mode because no one is stopping them"... Verizon is saying the same thing "Charge them for all of the things, because no one is stopping us..." I won't apologize for being complacent with the norm as you are, nor will I apologize for doing what I have the resources to do to try and balance out the system in my own eyes. And I won't come on here and cry if I get hit with an overage or knocked off of unlimited. I will probably come on here and see if there is a way around it, if not, I will take my business to another company, where I will sign another weighted TOS agreement and continue cycle there.
DANG IT, another "no edit button" mistake fix: I won't apologize for not being complacent"
I would agree with this in a fair and just and equal world, but unfortunately, that is not the kind of world we live in. It's getting to the point that we have to sign/check/agree with TOS for everything we do. My problem with that is the the TOS are ALWAYS stacked in the corporation's favor, of course they are, why wouldn't they be - they are the ones that wrote it? So what are our options as the middle America end-user? For most people, it's to take what we are given, don't bite the hands that feeds and stay in place. For others, it's taking the advantages, loopholes, and opportunities that are given that are felt balance out the deck a little bit. Of course no one is "going to go court and fight it" because anyone who could afford a battle like that could care less about paying an extra $30 a month for tether to their phone.
Just like you say "Everyone is in their "we're not going to take it" mode because no one is stopping them"... Verizon is saying the same thing "Charge them for all of the things, because no one is stopping us..." I won't apologize for being complacent with the norm as you are, nor will I apologize for doing what I have the resources to do to try and balance out the system in my own eyes. And I won't come on here and cry if I get hit with an overage or knocked off of unlimited. I will probably come on here and see if there is a way around it, if not, I will take my business to another company, where I will sign another weighted TOS agreement and continue cycle there.
Well yeah, that's my point. I'm talking to the people who act as if they're some vigilantes or something who will fight Verizon to the death. That's dumb, because that's not the case. People, whether you like it or not, are at the mercy of the carriers. They dictate what happens and there's not much you or I can do about it (like I said, no one is going to fight it). We can argue all day about what's right and wrong and it'll be pointless because you nor I have no power when it comes to things like this.
I understand people want to find loopholes and workarounds and that's fine. It just gets annoying when people literally lie to themselves to justify what they're doing. It's just the weird delusion that some people have that doesn't make sense to me. Admit that you're violating your contract, and acquiring a service without paying, and move on. Stop with the flimsy justifications.
The truth of the matter is, you and whoever else whos doing it is doing it because you're not being stopped. Plain and simple. The people who try to argue that "data is data" and "I already paid for data" and blah blah blah are silly.
OneTenderRebel
Silver Member
I think we should have an uprising to finally get an "edit" button in the News threads, haha.
Xander Crews
Active Member
Charging for tethering in the first place is out of line.
What really pisses people off is that if you are on a capped data plan and use tethering, it's an even more unfair scenario. Data is data. It doesn't cost Verizon more money if you tether 2GB and use your phone for another 2GB on a 5GB capped plan. You're still under 1GB on your plan for total data, but you have to pay once for the data plan and then you have to pay again to be able to tether that same exact data...even though you haven't reached your cap. That just seems shady and is asking for a lawsuit from some organization down the road somewhere.
It's nothing more than greed by Verizon. Period.
I can understand Verizon's stance up to a point if you are on an unlimited plan and you use your phone as a hotspot and go nuts with it, sharing it with a few people every day and running 50GB of transfer each month. That's excessive use and can be argued that it is abusing the system.
And for those of us who may use tethering app once or twice a month only when there isn't WIFI available and we need to use our laptops for something...it really sucks. I know I'm not going to pay for $20 a month for tethering to use a few hundred mb of transfer on the odd occasions where I would actually use it.
And no. Nobody forced us to sign the Verizon contract. But I'd be curious as to how the contract I signed is actually worded when referring to data use and tethering. If what Verizon is doing is deemed to be an illegal practice, then it doesn't matter if it's in the contract or not...it won't hold up in court. And I can't see how charging a customer for the same thing twice could be deemed legal. But like I said...how is the contract actually worded? That is what I'd like to see for starters.
What really pisses people off is that if you are on a capped data plan and use tethering, it's an even more unfair scenario. Data is data. It doesn't cost Verizon more money if you tether 2GB and use your phone for another 2GB on a 5GB capped plan. You're still under 1GB on your plan for total data, but you have to pay once for the data plan and then you have to pay again to be able to tether that same exact data...even though you haven't reached your cap. That just seems shady and is asking for a lawsuit from some organization down the road somewhere.
It's nothing more than greed by Verizon. Period.
I can understand Verizon's stance up to a point if you are on an unlimited plan and you use your phone as a hotspot and go nuts with it, sharing it with a few people every day and running 50GB of transfer each month. That's excessive use and can be argued that it is abusing the system.
And for those of us who may use tethering app once or twice a month only when there isn't WIFI available and we need to use our laptops for something...it really sucks. I know I'm not going to pay for $20 a month for tethering to use a few hundred mb of transfer on the odd occasions where I would actually use it.
And no. Nobody forced us to sign the Verizon contract. But I'd be curious as to how the contract I signed is actually worded when referring to data use and tethering. If what Verizon is doing is deemed to be an illegal practice, then it doesn't matter if it's in the contract or not...it won't hold up in court. And I can't see how charging a customer for the same thing twice could be deemed legal. But like I said...how is the contract actually worded? That is what I'd like to see for starters.
"Customers who do not have dedicated Mobile Broadband devices cannot tether other devices to laptops or personal
computers for use as wireless modems unless they subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect. We further reserve the right to take measures to protect our network and other users from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance. These measures may impact your service, and we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service, with or without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in a manner that adversely impacts our network.
We may monitor your compliance, or other subscribers’ compliance, with these terms and conditions, but we will not monitor the content of your communications except as otherwise expressly permitted or required by law. "
TBH, I've never seen the "we may monitor your compliance..." part before, might be a new addition. Regardless, it's most probably scare tactics and/or a "way out" if someone decides to complain if they are actually monitoring
Source: Mobile Broadband / National Access - Terms & Conditions - Verizon Wireless Support
computers for use as wireless modems unless they subscribe to Mobile Broadband Connect. We further reserve the right to take measures to protect our network and other users from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance. These measures may impact your service, and we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service, with or without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in a manner that adversely impacts our network.
We may monitor your compliance, or other subscribers’ compliance, with these terms and conditions, but we will not monitor the content of your communications except as otherwise expressly permitted or required by law. "
TBH, I've never seen the "we may monitor your compliance..." part before, might be a new addition. Regardless, it's most probably scare tactics and/or a "way out" if someone decides to complain if they are actually monitoring
Source: Mobile Broadband / National Access - Terms & Conditions - Verizon Wireless Support
Do we have to be informed and agree to new TOS if changes are made, are we automatically required to comply with new TOS when they come out even if we don't know about it or are we only binded by the TOS we originally agreed to?
I'm pretty sure when a change is made, they have to inform you and you can opt out. I simply never noticed the part about the monitoring before, it may have been there.
I don't think VZW will try to pull a fast one and sneak something in there (would be pretty stupid of them), so it's a safe bet that that wording was already in there, or we were already informed of the change when it was made.
I don't think VZW will try to pull a fast one and sneak something in there (would be pretty stupid of them), so it's a safe bet that that wording was already in there, or we were already informed of the change when it was made.
OneTenderRebel
Silver Member
Do we have to be informed and agree to new TOS if changes are made, are we automatically required to comply with new TOS when they come out even if we don't know about it or are we only binded by the TOS we originally agreed to?
I think if they make changes they have to inform you and you can opt out with no early termination fee. I am nearly positive that is how it works.
Yeah, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure. I have honestly never read an entire TOS before, but I do know someone who stopped to read a full EULA and this basically this happened to. I don't think it was $1000, but the cost of the software or something to that effect. He said he now copy/pastes ever EULA he comes across and CTRL+F's for "Call if", "E-mail to", etc.
Yeah, that is what I thought, but wasn't sure. I have honestly never read an entire TOS before, but I do know someone who stopped to read a full EULA and this basically this happened to. I don't think it was $1000, but the cost of the software or something to that effect. He said he now copy/pastes ever EULA he comes across and CTRL+F's for "Call if", "E-mail to", etc.
haha pretty awesome
Okay... where is our mob meeting at? I'm going to get my torch and pitchfork out of storage. This "Edit Button Revolt" needs to happen.
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