What?!? Um, no. And you, Kansas? Liked that post?
No offense but that might be one of the worst posts I've ever read on DF. Bad updates are, at best, 5% VZW's fault. They don't "test for months". They don't decide that the Note 4 gets an update. I don't see any forum anywhere that people complain to Verizon for a bad update. Motorola's forum are full of people complaining about bad updates...at Moto. Not VZW.
When the RAZR HD got a bad update, we complained to Moto. Moto released a patch 2 weeks later. Still didn't fix everything. Did we complain to VZW? No. Why would we?
Moto get the OS from Google. They make it work on their phone. They give it to VZW to sprinkle pixie dust and bloatware apps on top. Then release it. Maybe VZW tests a feature they add, like Wifi calling. They don't do any extensive testing with any phone except, maybe, possibly the Droid line because that one is their baby.
100% Carriers fault? Even if what you posted was true, you lay not one ounce of blame with the manufacturer? Be serious.
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More then welcome to your own opinion, Verizon does in fact have to check their software works with the update. The Razr HD? That is your go to phone with a bad update? Verizon does not just hold an update for 5 seconds after they get it and then say.. whelp guys... this is done on our side. Many times after the manufacturers get it, it is still in "TESTING" and "Vetting" with the carriers for quite a while. While months maybe exaggerated, they still have it for quite some time. It is up to Verizon to Vet the update for their network, and that includes wireless also because these phones are carrier specific (more or less GSM or CDMA), which means they NEED to have testing done for all aspects on the phone to verify it working. If there is no carrier branding on it, then yes i agree there is no one to blame but the manufacturer. While i would say 100% is over exaggerated, it's not far from the truth. 5% to blame, you are kidding yourself with that. Verizon doesn't decide when it gets an update but they sure as heck sit on it after it's been pushed to them.
If one is to say that it is 5%, then almost all carriers should be pushing updates at the exact same time... why don't they? Because of vetting and testing. They do more then hit 3 buttons and say, whelp our job here is done. Let's just bring WiFi calling into the picture, do you not think Verizon is going to do some extensive testing with WiFi to make sure that their new feature actually works and doesn't create a backlash? Because who is Verizon going to blame? The manufacturer? OK, lets say for a minute that happens.. who do you think the users are going to blame? The manufacturers? No, they will blame Verizon for not testing their new feature on the phone, and i'm not talking about semi-tech people, i'm talking about the everyday user of the phones, who are just happy their pixie dust works and they can make phone calls.
I have seen updates that break WiFi for one carrier, but other carriers don't have that issue. So then again, who does the blame lay with? Everyday users will say the same thing.... Verizon because they didn't do testing at that point then.
I blame the carriers for these different variants of the software, which impact the updates that come. Maybe VZW doesn't do MUCH with the updates, but they obviously make Samsung (in this case) make the tweaks and changes that they want done, so I still hold them at fault. That said, I'd still contact Samsung if I was still using the Note 4 and this update broke something.
This right here is what I am referring to. While Verizon may not have made the change itself, they are forcing manufacturers to make the changes, which impacts the entire phone as a whole because you have no idea if one option breaks another. In that respect I still blame Verizon, as they are the sole reason for the different variant, and with that variant requires more testing.