Networking folks always use bits and bits/second instead of bytes. As one of these strange networking guys, I always think in bits and have to think "multiply by 8" when I see bytes to get a frame of reference in bits.
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Verizon Wireless's 4G Speeds Doc Leaked
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Networking folks always use bits and bits/second instead of bytes. As one of these strange networking guys, I always think in bits and have to think "multiply by 8" when I see bytes to get a frame of reference in bits.
Networking folks always use bits and bits/second instead of bytes. As one of these strange networking guys, I always think in bits and have to think "multiply by 8" when I see bytes to get a frame of reference in bits.
Yeah i agree with you on that one. I do also agree that alot of companies use numbers as selling points, just as TV makers boast #s of things that don't matter but they are huge numbers so it makes the TV look better. (Same thing different argument)
Yeah most of the time when working with what they say a theoretical max of something is you always divide by 50% and you will get close to what you might see as a max on the device. So if they say you will get 300Mbps which is 37.5 MBps, halving gets you to 18.75 which is most likely the max any of us will see for along time. That's why verizon is saying to "expect" 5-12 MBps, which is the likely numbers that the majority will see.
Detonation
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Either way thats still very fast. My high speed home internet (time warner's road runner) is 8Mbps/512Kbps (so around 1MB download and 64KB upload) which still only a fraction of the "expected" speed.
By no means did i mean to say that it was going to be slow. The complete opposite is what i believe. It will be fast, also it might be a blow to the cable/dsl business if it catches on.
One of the things i've seen thrown around quite a bit is that even with wireless technology people would still love to be able to hook up 2-3 computers in their homes with the devices / device (depending if it was like MiFi) and get 5-12 down with a pretty low ping rate. All that without having to have a router or a cable box or have a tech come out and do something just to get it to work.
StupidGenius
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Does anyone know when LTE-Advanced may make it's way to networks? Is that a measure of months or years?
BigMcGuire
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Yeah, I can't wait for this.
I am willing to pay $29.99 a month for unlimited LTE.
In all seriousness, I might pay a little more, but $30 is already fairly steep given my usage. Streams Pandora hi-def just fine and I can tolerate an extra second or two on browsing. I still do all my browsing/email at home from the laptop so the extra speed isn't all that valuable to me unless we start talking tethering.
However, if I can replace home broadband with unlimited tethering (even better would be a secondary device for the home)....NOWWWWW my indifference price goes up to $80 per month all in. For $60 I'd be all over it and very happy.
In all seriousness, I might pay a little more, but $30 is already fairly steep given my usage. Streams Pandora hi-def just fine and I can tolerate an extra second or two on browsing. I still do all my browsing/email at home from the laptop so the extra speed isn't all that valuable to me unless we start talking tethering.
However, if I can replace home broadband with unlimited tethering (even better would be a secondary device for the home)....NOWWWWW my indifference price goes up to $80 per month all in. For $60 I'd be all over it and very happy.
s13_slider
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Networking folks always use bits and bits/second instead of bytes. As one of these strange networking guys, I always think in bits and have to think "multiply by 8" when I see bytes to get a frame of reference in bits.
Yup. I know what you mean. Strange networking guy here as well. I just think it's funny is all.
No see? TWO legs and one arm.
It can't cost that much, can it? I mean, more than a $10 bump over current plans and I'm not sure that many people will switch. If VZW comes out with a $40 LTE plan, how many people will just say "ehhh, I'll stick with unlimited 3G for $30"?
The speed sounds great and all, but how many people really need that on a mobile phone? $30 is already a lot of money (in addition to home broadband).
The speed sounds great and all, but how many people really need that on a mobile phone? $30 is already a lot of money (in addition to home broadband).
s13_slider
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But would it not be a matter of time before there are nothing but LTE smartphones, for example, available that would require an LTE plan?
One would assume VZW won't spend to maintain outdated equipment. But LTE won't be fully deployed until late 2012 (2013?).
They have that new tier at $15/mo for 150megs. I'm wondering, at least until LTE is fully deployed, if they won't offer an economy data service on 3G for some time, sort of like you see with cable internet where there are often 3 tiers of service/speed.
Who knows. Obviously it will become more expensive to maintain 3G over time, but it's pretty fast and good enough for economy users. It's a way for them to expand their data user base while keeping from overloading LTE, especially if they decide to try and expand LTE as an alternative to home broadband, but that would seem to conflict with their FIOS plans.
Yup, what a difference 8 bits makes... I agree about needing more editing, at least for verification. But don't give up on the newsy items just because they aren't accurate, they do give us plenty to laugh and argue about.
More importantly though, keep in mind that 4G will start in selected big metro areas first, just like 3G did. It will literally be years before it gets out widespread. Very likely no phone we currently have will ever enjoy nation wide 4G, even if it's capable.
Also, all of this coinsides with Verizon and most other carriers announcing tiered pricing for bytes downloaded. Bandwidth on the busy network is going to be the bottleneck and the carriers are going to profit by it and control it by pricing. Don't expect any unlimited 4G pricing, those days are gone forever when the older contracts end.
More importantly though, keep in mind that 4G will start in selected big metro areas first, just like 3G did. It will literally be years before it gets out widespread. Very likely no phone we currently have will ever enjoy nation wide 4G, even if it's capable.
Also, all of this coinsides with Verizon and most other carriers announcing tiered pricing for bytes downloaded. Bandwidth on the busy network is going to be the bottleneck and the carriers are going to profit by it and control it by pricing. Don't expect any unlimited 4G pricing, those days are gone forever when the older contracts end.
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