Who Wins The Final Battle of the 2011 SUPERPHONES!

[Liderc]

To soon to tell, But since the Rezound went through the FCC again they could have changed the processor/gpu on it. It could have the S4 8960(which can be clocked to 2.3ghz no problem) with an adreno 225 in it . Which would destroy anything out on the market right now and improve battery life(including the iphone 4s....just just barely gpu wise though).
Qualcomm did say they expect to have a phone out with this processor 4Q 2011(and they are partners with HTC).
If not the rezound, expect a beast of a sensation coming out!!!

Camera wise....putting in the BSI sensors are a good start, but getting a faster lens and better high ISO would be great(for low light). Increasing the dynamic range would be nice as well. Also note all of these cameras have fixed lenses(mostly 28mm equiv.). So a short zoom lens will be coming soon enough.
Take a look at some of the phones they have in japan. TONS of waterproof phones with zoom lens cameras and ...yea...nice phones!

The Rezound went back through the FCC to have their wireless induction charging back plate tested.

Nothing was added.

As for quad cores, if you know anything about CPU's and I think you do, you'll agree that it will not benefit phones for quite some time.

We're barely utilizing dual cores and the best thing for these companies to do is reduce the die size of the cores, so that we're using less power at higher clocks.

 

[alucard9114]

well with the transformer 2 tab coming next week with a quadcore tegra 3 in it i say 2 to 3 months for a tegra 3 phone with ics and a leak of one any day now.I say this because of Nvidias time line its a few months off but its right on track now.

 

[combatmedic870]

The Rezound went back through the FCC to have their wireless induction charging back plate tested.

Nothing was added.

As for quad cores, if you know anything about CPU's and I think you do, you'll agree that it will not benefit phones for quite some time.

We're barely utilizing dual cores and the best thing for these companies to do is reduce the die size of the cores, so that we're using less power at higher clocks.

I guess I can agree about the quad core statement... The S4 8960 has a second gen dual core processor with a second gen intergrated LTE chip its also 28 nm vs 45 nm for lower power consumption. Im sure its correct that it doesnt have it. Just sayin...

Right now we are missing alot of performance gains in all phone compared to what is now out. The S4's, OMAP 4470, Exynos 4212(tegra 3 probably just going in tablets for a while...well all quad cores for that matter....no reason for a quad core in a phone).

 

[Liderc]

I don't think people quite understand what will happen with the advancement of CPU's in phones, a quad core will run the same as a dual core right now.

We went through this with computers, dual cores were capable of doing anything that computers were able to run.

Then Quad cores came out, none of the software was capable of utilizing the additional cores, therefore you were using more power for no increase in performance.

We're just getting games and software that are capable of utilizing more than 2 cores on computers within the last year, yet quad cores have been available for over 4 years and computers aren't limited by space/power/cooling capabilities like phones are.

This will be detrimental with phones because not only do they not come close to needing the processing power that our computers need, but they also have to use small lithium batteries, passive cooling and small spaces.

So what we'll end up with, even when they release quad cores, are phones that run hot, burn through our battery and perform the same (or worse if they're clocked lower to prevent overheating).

Next you have to convince software companies to utilize quad cores.

Not until there are widespread phones with quad core chips will software/app companies start programming for quad cores in mind. These companies aren't going to burn through money to reprogram their software to ensure quad cores are being utilized within their programs.

A prime example is Blizzard with World of Warcraft, it still doesn't utilize quad cores to their full potential and it's the biggest MMO in the world.

What I think phone manufacturers should focus on is continued development of smaller die dual core chips, that use less power and can be clocked higher.

This will increase performance and improve battery life.

 

[combatmedic870]

I don't think people quite understand what will happen with the advancement of better CPU's in phones, a quad core will run the same as a dual core right now.

We went through this with computers, dual cores were capable of doing anything that computers were able to run.

Then Quad cores came out, none of the software was capable of utilizing the additional cores, therefore you were using more power for no increase in performance.

This will be detrimental in phones because our phones don't come close to needing the processing power that our computers need and phones also have horribly small batteries.

So what we'll end up with, even when they release quad cores, are phones that run hot, burn through our battery and perform the same (or worse if they're clocked lower to prevent overheating).

Not until there are widespread phones with quad core chips will software/app companies start programming for quad cores in mind. These companies aren't going to use money to reprogram their software to ensure quad cores are being utilized within their programs.

A prime example is Blizzard with World of Warcraft, it still doesn't utilize quad cores to their full potential and it's the biggest MMO in the world.

What I think phone manufacturers should focus on is using smaller die dual core chips, that use less power and can be clocked higher. This will increase performance and improve battery life.

But....thats what the S4 8960 is doing. going from 45 nm to 28 nm you will see a nice increase in battery life. (the new samsung went to 32 nm vs 45 as well. the new omap is supposed to be twice as fast as the 4460 and use just as much power as the 4460.)

The S4 wont be as fast as the other newer ones but it will be more energy efficient compared to them(clocked at 1.5-2.3). I would prefer that personally.

 

[Liderc]

I know, I was speaking to people being concerned about quad cores being the (near) future for phones.

 

[combatmedic870]

I know, I was speaking to people being concerned about quad cores being the (near) future for phones.

Oh ok!

I didnt see that post there! :sorry:

Me and you both are on the same page! Come on second gen dual cores!!!

 

[alucard9114]

im a gamer and want a great gpu all the tegra 2 phones out now have no lte so im guessing tegra 3 will.

 

[alucard9114]

The nexus will be a great phone but this waiting is killing me.may just get a charge off contract and save my upgrade for a quadecore.

 

[Liderc]

Quad cores will not be a performance increase when released.

Get a quad core a year from now and it may be used by a few programs.

Quad cores are not what you think, you're thinking they will improve performance, but that's not how it works.

The processor means nothing when the software doesn't utilize the extra cores.

Until the software is utilized, you're just wasting 2 extra cores that use up your battery.

In my PC, I use an i7 920 quad core overclocked to 4.2Ghz, now it has 4 additional virtual "cores" threads that can be used, but I disable them because they cause more heat, use more power and add zero performance. Only 2 programs I use actually use all 4 cores of my CPU and this is in a computer, where software companies have had 4 years to develop software to utilize the extra cores.

That should explain just how few programs will utilize more than 2 cores in phones.

I'm not saying in the future it won't be beneficial, because it will, but we're talking years, not months.

 

[combatmedic870]

Quad cores will not be a performance increase when released.

Get a quad core a year from now and it may be used by a few programs.

Quad cores are not what you think, you're thinking they will improve performance, but that's not how it works.

The processor means nothing when the software doesn't utilize the extra cores.

Until the software is utilized, you're just wasting 2 extra cores that use up your battery.

In my PC, I use a i7 920 quad core overclocked to 4.2Ghz, now it has 4 additional virtual "cores" threads that can be used, but I disable them because they cause more heat, use more power and add zero performance. Only 2 programs I use actually use all 4 cores of my CPU, that should show you how little programs utilize more than 2 cores.

just like when people said they couldnt tell a increase when switching from the t-bolt to the bionic.

 

[JuniorJays]

I think the Samsung Galaxy S2 was the best phone this year. It had the best preforming CPU out of all phones currently out. Also the battery life I hear is fantastic in the phone. Lastly its super slim for that powerful of a phone

 

[Liderc]

Agreed, I think overall, the SGSII will be the best phone of this year, although I don't really count the Nexus as being from "this year" and I haven't held it personally so it's impossible to compare.

SGSII came out months ago and still holds it's own very well, the screen is absolutely beautiful, very thin/light, and it's only cons were that it wasn't on Verizon and the back plastic feels a little cheap.

It sold massively well around the world and I think it deserves the phone of the year award.

 

[JuniorJays]

Not to mention last report of 5 million sold and that's before it came to the us

 

[equake]

But....thats what the S4 8960 is doing. going from 45 nm to 28 nm you will see a nice increase in battery life. (the new samsung went to 32 nm vs 45 as well. the new omap is supposed to be twice as fast as the 4460 and use just as much power as the 4460.)

The S4 wont be as fast as the other newer ones but it will be more energy efficient compared to them(clocked at 1.5-2.3). I would prefer that personally.

All the current crop of smartphones use 1st gen multicore SoCs which ironically is not even optimized yet by Android until ICS. They are not very energy efficient but plenty powerful.

The Snapdragon S4 probably will dominate the next wave of phones because it has a fully integrated baseband and an async clock. This gives it a significant advantage over the other SoCs like the A5, OMAP, Exynos, Tegra because those chips will still rely on external basebands which will chew up power. But it seems that Google has chosen the OMAP as the CPU of choice for phones at least so updates will happen sooner on that SoC.

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