Battle For CPU Supremacy: NVIDIA Calls Out Apple on Speed Claims of A5X vs. Tegra 3

[czerdrill]

Awesome! Thanks for the head-up. Those are some pretty impressive numbers, and completely back up your statements. While I now have no doubt that the A5X will certainly be faster than the Tegra 3, (based upon results), I still find it suspect that it would be 4x faster. We will have to wait and see once the New iPad is in the hands of reviewers. Regardless, it is an impressive chipset.

On a separate note, not all Android fans hate Apple, and not all people that do not like Apple automatically assume the worst about the company. It's probably wise not to over-generalize when making those kind of comparisons, because when you do, you commit the same error of prejudice that the overzealous Android fans you are decrying also make. Anytime, we lump an entire section of people into a category by over-generalizing we commit an act of prejudice. Just food for thought...

Yeah I don't know about 4X faster either, but it's not going to be worse then a5, and a5 is definitely better then tegra3 (benchmark-wise).

As for the generalizations, you're right of course, and I should practice what I preach, but this thread is a perfect example of just what I was saying. It only takes one minute of research yet you have people here saying "Apple is known to lie" (with zero proof) and it happens across this board a lot. TBH, I know that not ALL android users are like that. In fact, I'd go out on a limb that and say that 99.9% of android users are not like that. But that 0.1%? They're way louder then the rest.

Apple has plenty of flaws, and they do some pretty suspect things, but so do all the Android OEMs and Google. Objectivity is key and not just an unfounded bias for no reason other then you don't like Apple because you like Android.

 

[combatmedic870]

well the a5x is still using the PowerVR SGX543...just 2 more of them...hopefully the omap5 will come out soon to shut them up.

 

[czerdrill]

well the a5x is still using the PowerVR SGX543...just 2 more of them...hopefully the omap5 will come out soon to shut them up.

Yep this is true, but the thing with benchmarks is they're never consistent and there's so many variables involved. One test might show 4 times the performance, another 2 times the performance, another 3.5 times the performance. We'll definitely see much better performance from a5x vs a5, but a consistent 4X vs Tegra3 probably won't be shown. If it is, then yeah a5x is a bigger beast then I could have imagined haha.

 

[SquireSCA]

There was no link in your post, but I believe you are referring to: Apple accused of cheating over G5 benchmarks ? The Register. While it's possible they may have gamed the system to their advantage, czerdrill anandtech link shows that the A5 performs better than the Tegra3 and so should the A5X. However, it's always in how one develops the software that can make a world of difference in addition to the hardware.

Yup, that was the story I was looking for, nice find. There was another one citing... "dubious claims" for the iPhone 3 as well...

 

[VirtualCLD]

As for the generalizations, you're right of course, and I should practice what I preach, but this thread is a perfect example of just what I was saying. It only takes one minute of research yet you have people here saying "Apple is known to lie" (with zero proof) and it happens across this board a lot.

I'm not saying that Apple is known to lie, in fact the article I linked to 1) is not definitive proof they lied and 2) is claiming they MAY have gamed the system to have an advantage, but not lied per se. Plus, one instance 9 years ago is hardly proof they're doing the same now nor do I even suspect they are.
The thing that gets me is, from an engineering perspective, I want to see the data or how the test or experiment was performed so it can be independently verified through peer review. This was a product launch, not a white paper, so I'm not expecting that level of detail from any company.

 

[czerdrill]

I'm not saying that Apple is known to lie, in fact the article I linked to 1) is not definitive proof they lied and 2) is claiming they MAY have gamed the system to have an advantage, but not lied per se. Plus, one instance 9 years ago is hardly proof they're doing the same now nor do I even suspect they are.
The thing that gets me is, from an engineering perspective, I want to see the data or how the test or experiment was performed so it can be independently verifiable through peer review. This was a product launch, not a white paper, so I'm not expecting that level of detail from any company.

Yeah of course. At a product launch, you want to catch the audience with your marketing and buzzwords. They can say whatever they want, but at the same time they won't do something so egregious as to just flat out lie with zero backing, because that would make them look foolish when people actually do the benchmarks (which anandtech will do).

That's why I'd tend to believe anandtech over anything apple and android OEMs say because anandtech is probably the least biased site out there as far as things like this (the verge is another one i like to read). And anandtech has shown that a5 blows tegra3 out of the water. no reason to not think a5x will do the same.

 

[akhenax]

The A5X specs make me excited about three things:
1. Seeing a first person shooter taking advantage of those specs.
2. Knowing that Android devices have a new bar to shoot towards, and
3. I have something to look forward to in a new Android device.

 

[garrett]

But hey, lets be honest... owning an Apple product has NEVER been about performance. It's about owning an Apple product and making sure that everyone knows that you have an Apple product...

You have to be kidding on this comment. Those of us that are grown adults use apple products because the performance, reliability, and build quality cant be matched by any other manufacturer out there. Im sure there are some that buy an apple product just because its a name and that happens with any brand.

 

[jntdroid]

You have to be kidding on this comment. Those of us that are grown adults use apple products because the performance, reliability, and build quality cant be matched by any other manufacturer out there. Im sure there are some that buy an apple product just because its a name and that happens with any brand.

You obviously missed the commercials where the Razr slices through lamp posts.

:tongue:

 

[SquireSCA]

You have to be kidding on this comment. Those of us that are grown adults use apple products because the performance, reliability, and build quality cant be matched by any other manufacturer out there. Im sure there are some that buy an apple product just because its a name and that happens with any brand.

Except that you are not the norm. 15 year old girls and college kids that are more interested in the brand name because it is hip, and are willing to put up with a tiny screen, last year's features and dropped calls 10x a day are the norm.

 

[czerdrill]

Except that you are not the norm. 15 year old girls and college kids that are more interested in the brand name because it is hip, and are willing to put up with a tiny screen, last year's features and dropped calls 10x a day are the norm.

More proofless statements. While I don't know how reliable this is, at least I have some kind of link contesting your post...but its easier to just say stuff i guess.

Some good points to take away from that: 37% more likely to have a graduate degree (those are some smart 15 year olds), 29% more likely to be 35+ (those are some old 15 year olds) and 67% more likely to have an average household income of more then $200,000 (those are some rich 15 year olds).

Again, who knows how they did that survey or how reliable it is, but I'd love to see your survey that shows that 15 year old girls and college kids are the "norm" Apple users. Take your time.

 

[SquireSCA]

More proofless statements. While I don't know how reliable this is, at least I have some kind of link contesting your post...but its easier to just say stuff i guess.

Some good points to take away from that: 37% more likely to have a graduate degree (those are some smart 15 year olds), 29% more likely to be 35+ (those are some old 15 year olds) and 67% more likely to have an average household income of more then $200,000 (those are some rich 15 year olds).

Again, who knows how they did that survey or how reliable it is, but I'd love to see your survey that shows that 15 year old girls and college kids are the "norm" Apple users. Take your time.

Just walk down the street.

Apple phones became a status symbol. Didn't matter if they were limited, locked down, dropped calls or were 12-16 months behind the curve when it came to a lot of features and functions. It was the hip phone to have.

And it does cater towards noobs, as it is nothing more than an appliance. If I were to get my mom a smarthphone, it would be an iPhone? Why? Because it is idiot-proof and a monkey can use it.

In any case, you are the forum's resident Champion of Apple, so I don't expect anything I say, or even common sense to make a difference here...

 

[czerdrill]

Just walk down the street.

Apple phones became a status symbol. Didn't matter if they were limited, locked down, dropped calls or were 12-16 months behind the curve when it came to a lot of features and functions. It was the hip phone to have.

And it does cater towards noobs, as it is nothing more than an appliance. If I were to get my mom a smarthphone, it would be an iPhone? Why? Because it is idiot-proof and a monkey can use it.

In any case, you are the forum's resident Champion of Apple, so I don't expect anything I say, or even common sense to make a difference here...

Ah ok, so your claims are, just like I thought, based on anecdotal, baseless evidence. Got it.

 

[SquireSCA]

Ah ok, so your claims are, just like I thought, based on anecdotal, baseless evidence. Got it.

Yes, I have read many articles. I have seen with my own eyes the ads, the customers, the people walking around with them.

But by all means, a study probably funded by Apple and used to market their products is certainly free of bias.

Point is, they have "skewed" things in their claims before. It isn't unreasonable to assume they might do so again.

 

[czerdrill]

Yes, I have read many articles. I have seen with my own eyes the ads, the customers, the people walking around with them.

But by all means, a study probably funded by Apple and used to market their products is certainly free of bias.

Point is, they have "skewed" things in their claims before. It isn't unreasonable to assume they might do so again.

Lol there it is. The "Apple must have paid them" argument. The go to argument when all else fails. I coulda sworn I said that before as the usual (and predictable) response from people like you. Oh yeah, I did...in my first post in this thread...:blink:...that's called "coming full circle"