Battle For CPU Supremacy: NVIDIA Calls Out Apple on Speed Claims of A5X vs. Tegra 3

[SquireSCA]

Lol there it is. The "Apple must have paid them" argument. The go to argument when all else fails. I coulda sworn I said that before as the usual (and predictable) response from people like you. Oh yeah, I did...in my first post in this thread...:blink:

Yes, people like me that did drink the kool-aid and then saw the light and found something better.

At least I don't need to sit in a forum and use the search button to find some insult against Apple for me to charge in and defend like it was my daughter's virtue. haha

 

[czerdrill]

Yes, people like me that did drink the kool-aid and then saw the light and found something better.

At least I don't need to sit in a forum and use the search button to find some insult against Apple for me to charge in and defend like it was my daughter's virtue. haha

haha indeed (at you, not with you).

 

[jntdroid]

It's a phone.

 

[czerdrill]

It's a phone.

That's what I thought it was too...didn't realize it was a battle between good and evil! haha

 

[SquireSCA]

haha indeed (at you, not with you).

According to your link, Android users are less cultured, less successful, less educated, etc... Apple is the phone of the elite and Academia and women.

So why are you even here with us knuckle-draggers?

Apple has always catered to a certain crowd. And we all know exactly who those people are, and why they usually gravitate towards Apple. It's no different than seeing what crowd Harley Davidson appeals to, and why.

People can purchase status by purchasing certain brands. HD and Apple are probably the two most successful at selling this way, of any brands that I can think of. And in both cases, their products are clearly beaten in value, function, performance, etc... by the competition... and in both cases, that market doesn't care, they will pay top dollar for a Harley that is still using 1970's technology and handles like a river barge because they want the NAME. The Name imparts status, makes them a badass, a "real biker" even if all they do is ride their chromed out bucket of bolts to the local bar to strut around and pose with the other "bikers"... Half of them can't even ride for crap, but they all proclaim their "independence and individuality" by wearing the exact same bandanna and black and orange tshirt... LOL

Harley spent decades building up a marketing engine around selling you not a bike, but an image, status. And people buy into it in droves.

Apple is the only other company that I have seen in my almost 40 years on this planet, that plays that game as well as Harley.

 

[jntdroid]

And in both cases, their products are clearly beaten in value, function, performance, etc... by the competition... and in both cases, that market doesn't care

Can't speak for Harley, but I think that is debatable on the iphone vs. android argument. Android might be able to "do" more, but it's also buggier in general. Some people want things to just work with zero issues and to be easy as pie to figure out. That's what you pay for with the iPhone. (Yes I realize it's not that perfect, but again, in general it's a less buggy, smoother experience than Android)

My wife is the perfect example. She's never owned an iPhone, and loves Android, got used to Android over the past couple of years. She now has a 4S, and within 2 hours she was touting how easy it was to get around and how simply it just worked. This is coming from a female who was an Android fan - not some overly biased diehard Apple user. Edit: I'll also add to this that it was almost 3 months before she stopped asking me "how do I..." in Android. Since the 4S, haven't had a single question. General smartphone familiarity plays a part in that, but it's worth mentioning.

There will always be users of big name brands that buy the brand as some sort of philosophical (or trend influenced) stance in life. That applies to Apple, Android, Microsoft, Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Harley, Triumph, etc. That shouldn't negate the underlying product's benefits, and why the practical users might or might not buy said product.

 

[czerdrill]

According to your link, Android users are less cultured, less successful, less educated, etc... Apple is the phone of the elite and Academia and women.

So why are you even here with us knuckle-draggers?

Apple has always catered to a certain crowd. And we all know exactly who those people are, and why they usually gravitate towards Apple. It's no different than seeing what crowd Harley Davidson appeals to, and why.

People can purchase status by purchasing certain brands. HD and Apple are probably the two most successful at selling this way, of any brands that I can think of. And in both cases, their products are clearly beaten in value, function, performance, etc... by the competition... and in both cases, that market doesn't care, they will pay top dollar for a Harley that is still using 1970's technology and handles like a river barge because they want the NAME. The Name imparts status, makes them a badass, a "real biker" even if all they do is ride their chromed out bucket of bolts to the local bar to strut around and pose with the other "bikers"... Half of them can't even ride for crap, but they all proclaim their "independence and individuality" by wearing the exact same bandanna and black and orange tshirt... LOL

Harley spent decades building up a marketing engine around selling you not a bike, but an image, status. And people buy into it in droves.

Apple is the only other company that I have seen in my almost 40 years on this planet, that plays that game as well as Harley.

I never said any of that. I simply posted a link that disputed what you said...without a link.

According to you, Apple users are little kids who want to be cool, and Android users aren't. How exactly is your anecdotal, biased "evidence" (and i use that term loosely) any better then what i linked to?

If i say Android users are all nerds with no social life and provided zero evidence of such, would you agree with me? Or would you say something silly like I'm the "resident forum apple champion"? I already know the answer to that question, btw...

 

[OneTenderRebel]

If all Apple consumers are dumb hipsters, all Android users are giant nerds still living in their parents basement playing Dungeons and Dragons or whatever roll playing game is popular right now. That right there has as much validation as the claims about Apple consumers.

 

[czerdrill]

If all Apple consumers are dumb hipsters, all Android users are giant nerds still living in their parents basement playing Dungeons and Dragons or whatever roll playing game is popular right now. That right there has as much validation as the claims about Apple consumers.

haha...exactly what i just said...throwing out these biased statements and hoping for someone to give you a high five doesn't make it true...

 

[jntdroid]

If all Apple consumers are dumb hipsters, all Android users are giant nerds still living in their parents basement playing Dungeons and Dragons or whatever roll playing game is popular right now. That right there has as much validation as the claims about Apple consumers.

I knew someone was missing from this discussion!

 

[OneTenderRebel]

I knew someone was missing from this discussion!

c'mon you know I can't let people bash Apple without throwing my worthless 2 cents in!

 

[SquireSCA]

Can't speak for Harley, but I think that is debatable on the iphone vs. android argument. Android might be able to "do" more, but it's also buggier in general. Some people want things to just work with zero issues and to be easy as pie to figure out. That's what you pay for with the iPhone. (Yes I realize it's not that perfect, but again, in general it's a less buggy, smoother experience than Android)

My wife is the perfect example. She's never owned an iPhone, and loves Android, got used to Android over the past couple of years. She now has a 4S, and within 2 hours she was touting how easy it was to get around and how simply it just worked. This is coming from a female who was an Android fan - not some overly biased diehard Apple user.

There will always be users of big name brands that buy the brand as some sort of philosophical (or trend influenced) stance in life. That applies to Apple, Android, Microsoft, Toyota, Ford, Chevy, Hardley, Triumph, etc. That shouldn't negate the underlying product's benefits, and why the practical users might or might not buy said product.

And yet I have seen reports that say that iOS crashes more than Android, so that part I guess is open to debate still.

And yes, with one choice of hardware and one version of the OS, with everything locked down tighter than a gnat's bottom, I would expect it to be less buggy. That to me is like saying that a hammer is less buggy than a back-hoe... It is, because it does less and has less to go wrong.

I admit, the iPhone is easy to use. It does less. It's like a toaster. You turn it on, hit the phone button to call someone, the text button to text, etc... There is that angle, and I agree, which is why I would get one for my mom, as she still doesn't know how to set the time on the microwave. The iPhone is perfect for her. LOL

I think that the brand name selling the product is bigger here than some care to admit. I know of countless people that know nothing about phones, but they know that "iPhone is supposed to be the coolest and best"... Same as people who know NOTHING about motorcycles, when I tell them I ride, the first question is almost always, "is it a Harley?"

And they do that because of marketing. Some companies are better at projecting a brand image and selling you that image, that perceived experience than others. In the case of bikes, Harley doesn't make a great bike. They never have. They charge twice as much as the competition, use outdated technology, they are not as reliable, etc. Those are all facts, it is what it is. But people who know nothing about bikes, can tell you that Harleys are the real deal, that Harley is the bike that you want, etc... It's all hot air, but people are willing to cough up large amounts of cash for that hot air.

So my point is that success is not always an indicator of something being better. More people drink Buddweiser and Coors Lite than a finely crafted Micro-brew... Doesn't mean it is better.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

And yet I have seen reports that say that iOS crashes more than Android, so that part I guess is open to debate still.

And yes, with one choice of hardware and one version of the OS, with everything locked down tighter than a gnat's bottom, I would expect it to be less buggy. That to me is like saying that a hammer is less buggy than a back-hoe... It is, because it does less and has less to go wrong.

I admit, the iPhone is easy to use. It does less. It's like a toaster. You turn it on, hit the phone button to call someone, the text button to text, etc... There is that angle, and I agree, which is why I would get one for my mom, as she still doesn't know how to set the time on the microwave. The iPhone is perfect for her. LOL

I think that the brand name selling the product is bigger here than some care to admit. I know of countless people that know nothing about phones, but they know that "iPhone is supposed to be the coolest and best"... Same as people who know NOTHING about motorcycles, when I tell them I ride, the first question is almost always, "is it a Harley?"

And they do that because of marketing. Some companies are better at projecting a brand image and selling you that image, that perceived experience than others. In the case of bikes, Harley doesn't make a great bike. They never have. They charge twice as much as the competition, use outdated technology, they are not as reliable, etc. Those are all facts, it is what it is. But people who know nothing about bikes, can tell you that Harleys are the real deal, that Harley is the bike that you want, etc... It's all hot air, but people are willing to cough up large amounts of cash for that hot air.

So my point is that success is not always an indicator of something being better. More people drink Buddweiser and Coors Lite than a finely crafted Micro-brew... Doesn't mean it is better.

I don't think anyone would argue that the brand name alone can sell the product. Even Android is starting to do that now. But sometimes you become the best by being the best, now say all you want about all the litigation and all that but Apple does make a quality product. So regardless of the hipsters buying them in bulk, it's still a great piece of hardware at the end of the day.

 

[czerdrill]

And yet I have seen reports that say that iOS crashes more than Android, so that part I guess is open to debate still.

And yes, with one choice of hardware and one version of the OS, with everything locked down tighter than a gnat's bottom, I would expect it to be less buggy. That to me is like saying that a hammer is less buggy than a back-hoe... It is, because it does less and has less to go wrong.

I admit, the iPhone is easy to use. It does less. It's like a toaster. You turn it on, hit the phone button to call someone, the text button to text, etc... There is that angle, and I agree, which is why I would get one for my mom, as she still doesn't know how to set the time on the microwave. The iPhone is perfect for her. LOL

I think that the brand name selling the product is bigger here than some care to admit. I know of countless people that know nothing about phones, but they know that "iPhone is supposed to be the coolest and best"... Same as people who know NOTHING about motorcycles, when I tell them I ride, the first question is almost always, "is it a Harley?"

And they do that because of marketing. Some companies are better at projecting a brand image and selling you that image, that perceived experience than others. In the case of bikes, Harley doesn't make a great bike. They never have. They charge twice as much as the competition, use outdated technology, they are not as reliable, etc. Those are all facts, it is what it is. But people who know nothing about bikes, can tell you that Harleys are the real deal, that Harley is the bike that you want, etc... It's all hot air, but people are willing to cough up large amounts of cash for that hot air.

So my point is that success is not always an indicator of something being better. More people drink Buddweiser and Coors Lite than a finely crafted Micro-brew... Doesn't mean it is better.

Yep, and Android as a whole is far more successful then iPhone. So according to you it doesn't mean it's better. Or are you going to argue that it does since it's Android that's successful?

Apple puts out an easy to use product, that people want and oh the travesty!

And exactly how difficult is it to use an Android phone? When you get one are you flabbergasted and completely confused on how to make a phone call? Do you call your friends crying because you don't know how to text? Do people find you rocking back and forth on your couch because it's so much harder to use then a toaster??

 

[SquireSCA]

I don't think anyone would argue that the brand name alone can sell the product. Even Android is starting to do that now. But sometimes you become the best by being the best, now say all you want about all the litigation and all that but Apple does make a quality product. So regardless of the hipsters buying them in bulk, it's still a great piece of hardware at the end of the day.

But my point is that once in a great while a company rises to the top by NOT making the best product. HD is a great example. They have never built a better bike. They have had better marketing, but mechanically their machines have not been superior to the competition in 60 or 70 years. What they do do well, is marketing. The branding. The clothing. The product placement in media and movies and TV. The building up of an image and status, where the bike is no longer the product. The product is the status, the bike merely a means to that end.

I see Apple doing the same thing. Their product may be better in relation to the competition than HD's ever was, I grant you. But it still relies very heavily on the image. It's not about the phone, it's about being part of the Apple family. It's about making the person feel special for owning it.

I am in sales, I understand the psychology of this stuff and why people buy and all that. It's very logical when you get down to it, and Apple knows the game and plays it to the fellest extent. Like I said, in almost 40 years of life, I have only seen 1 other company that is their equal and that is HD.

I never said that the phone wasn't quality, or wasn't good at the things that it is allowed to do. I just think that the hype is a bit overblown, and I do see through the marketing crap just as I do with things like bikes. You spend enough time in something, immersed in it, and you start seeing the patterns and connecting the dots...

Apple does have a rabid cult-like following. I have seen it. It exists. And while I currently prefer Android, if Apple came out with something that met my needs better, I would not hesitate to buy it.