Blue Energy Theme for FROYO (Android 2.2)

[jasonppp]

i still would like to know why the no clock version of blue energy will let you wipe but the clock version wont i miss advance rom manager installing all at once

ie. wipe data and cache, add to zip bb, add to zip theme, add to zip battery icon and kernal hitting ok.

in the first froyo release it seemed to have more free memory installing all at once. now i cant keep more then 80m memory free before i would have at least 100m free

 

[roberj13]

i still would like to know why the no clock version of blue energy will let you wipe but the clock version wont i miss advance rom manager installing all at once

ie. wipe data and cache, add to zip bb, add to zip theme, add to zip battery icon and kernal hitting ok.

in the first froyo release it seemed to have more free memory installing all at once. now i cant keep more then 80m memory free before i would have at least 100m free

This has been bothering me too, I know the first couple times I installed it with a wipe before I released it and it worked fine and now I can't, luckily most people are coming from other Froyo ROMs so they haven't had to wipe.

The only thing I changed on the no clock other than contacts.apk (which I am pretty sure means nothing) is the services.jar.

I willl start there and take a look but it won't be until tomorrow because I have a crapload of schoolwork to do that I've been putting off getting everything working on ss 4.3 and sapphire.

How do you get 100 mb free, I've never had 100 let alone 80. I do have a lot of widgets I suppose..

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[jasonppp]

heck i have had 116 to 118 free before i dont put alot on my desktop and only have maybe 4 active widgets google search, beautiful home smaller, system info and power. then i got advanced task manager killing every 30 minutes. i prefer to wipe seems to have more memory free when finished

 

[roberj13]

Yeah I just went around killing random odds and ends and ended up with about 104 MB free but it quickly went back to 85 or so and stayed there. I have a couple programs that just stay in memory even if I don't have a widget up which is annoying. I like pure messenger widget too much though to kick it to the curb..haha

Ok, like I said I will look into the services.jar on the BE with clock on FRF84B. It baffles me what could be in there that works without a wipe but doesn't work with a wipe.

 

[jasonppp]

Yeah I just went around killing random odds and ends and ended up with about 104 MB free but it quickly went back to 85 or so and stayed there. I have a couple programs that just stay in memory even if I don't have a widget up which is annoying. I like pure messenger widget too much though to kick it to the curb..haha

Ok, like I said I will look into the services.jar on the BE with clock on FRF84B. It baffles me what could be in there that works without a wipe but doesn't work with a wipe.

idk bro you are a theme king i am sure you will figuare it out. be is my favorite theme.

i plan on trying jrummys new kang today are your themes reported to work with kang?

 

[scott_ev]

Android RAM management

Why are people concerned with free RAM in Android? Android does a great job of managing RAM by kicking things out of RAM if/when it needs free RAM. APPS sitting in RAM are how Android effectively and efficiently does multi-tasking. Apps start up much faster if they're already in RAM than if not. Personally, I don't care to have any free RAM. The less free RAM I have, the faster I can switch between apps. Remember, Android isn't Windows. Hell, it's not even Linux. It's it's own distinct OS that does things it's own way. If you're running apps to keep ram free, you're just wasting battery time and CPU cycles for nothing. I had some long discussions with a couple of Google employees back in December about this so I did my own tests to confirm what I now know....


edit: and after checking out themes, I'm happy to b e back with Blue Energy. Thanks.

 

[jasonppp]

Why are people concerned with free RAM in Android? Android does a great job of managing RAM by kicking things out of RAM if/when it needs free RAM. APPS sitting in RAM are how Android effectively and efficiently does multi-tasking. Apps start up much faster if they're already in RAM than if not. Personally, I don't care to have any free RAM. The less free RAM I have, the faster I can switch between apps. Remember, Android isn't Windows. Hell, it's not even Linux. It's it's own distinct OS that does things it's own way. If you're running apps to keep ram free, you're just wasting battery time and CPU cycles for nothing. I had some long discussions with a couple of Google employees back in December about this so I did my own tests to confirm what I now know....


edit: and after checking out themes, I'm happy to b e back with Blue Energy. Thanks.

lets compare passmarks your little ram verse my free ram my sig has my scores in it. my phone is quick and uses little battery

it might be its own os but is still driven off linux tech


case and point of android not freeing memory good enough i use handcent for messaging and disable the default message program and it still shows up in my memory used. handcent is standalone and doesnt need the default message program.

news and weather not needed for beautiful widgets disabled still finds its way in memory


i am only arguing because i play with overclocking my home computer is a dual core and it is faster then alot of quad cores my passmark performance test on my computer is in the 1500's

 

[scott_ev]

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it might be its own os but is still driven off linux tech[/QUOTE]

True to some extent. It did start life as a Linux kernel. That being so, it still handles free RAM very differently. And if either has free RAM they won't be slowed down because there's little RAM available. Linux might as it will start allocating swap space long b efore it runs out of RAM. Android doesn't have swap so it just clears RAM as it needs it. And RAM is much faster than swap.

 

[jasonppp]

sorry had to quote the android wiki

"
Android is Google's operating system for mobile devices. It is a competitor to the Symbian platform, Apple's iOS for the iPhone and Microsoft's Windows Mobile for mobile devices.
Technologically, Android includes middleware and key applications,[4] and uses a modified version of the Linux kernel.[5][6][7] It was initially developed by Android Inc., a firm later purchased by Google, and lately by the Open Handset Alliance.[8] It allows developers to write managed code in the Java language, controlling the device via Google-developed Java libraries.[9]
The Android operating system software stack consists of Java applications running on a Java based object oriented application framework on top of Java core libraries running on a Dalvik virtual machine featuring JIT compilation. Libraries written in C include the surface manager, OpenCore[10] media framework, SQLite relational database management system, OpenGL ES 2.0 3D graphics API, WebKit layout engine, SGL graphics engine, SSL, and Bionic libc. The Android operating system consists of 12 million lines of code including 3 million lines of XML, 2.8 million lines of C, and 2.1 million lines of Java.[11]
The unveiling of the Android distribution on 5 November 2007 was announced with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 71 hardware, software, and telecom companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[12][13] Google released most of the Android code under the Apache License, a free software and open source license.[14]"


which shows us both right

 

[scott_ev]

Again, Android isn't really Linux - the kernel is hardly recognizable as Linux after the Android devs get through modifying it.


I agree with your frustration over apps finding their way into memory that have no reaso0n to be there. I un-install news and weather, the default messaging app and other default apps. doing so seems to help, but not as much as I'd like. So, the only thing I do is to try to have some say-so as to what self-starts and what doesn't by using startup auditor. this way I have some control over what's sitting in RAM and what's not. It helps me switch between apps quicker. I switch between aps with launchpad or by long pressing home.

I've had PCs since 94 and have never messed with overclocking till I got a droid. I push my droid pretty hard though. I'm running FRF84b with Chevy's 1.25 kernel. It's slower than any other 2.2 I've tried and tested, but it's more stable for me so I stay with it till DM releases Durden 2.2. My gears score is the same as yours,m but my other scores are lower. And my battery life is good.

edit: yes, I'm not saying android didn't start life as a Linux kernel. I'm just saying it acts very differently now. Google really tends to think outside the box.

 

[roberj13]

Wth is going on in here..lol

I don't ever check my ram, but then again, I don't ever use any applications, matter of fact I never use my phone anymore. I use tapatalk and twitter, other than that I never have anything on my phone because I'm always testing between roms and themes. I downloaded the kindle app the other day, first app I've downloaded in a while,,haha

I don't mind the discussion, its informative if not slightly OT, just keep it nice and civil.



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[jasonppp]

point takin rober i will stop and get back on topic
and scott if you would like to continue discussion we have pms bro

 

[roberj13]

point takin rober i will stop and get back on topic
and scott if you would like to continue discussion we have pms bro

I said I didn't mind just be civil, I was learning..lol

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[jasonppp]

i know bro i re-read the last few postings and it was taking a turn for the worse and is unfair to your topic the developer.

and you know i got the upmost respect for what you do

 

[scott_ev]

yeah, discussion only. I didn't feel like we were arguing and if it read that way, my apologies. Definitely OT, but a worthy discussion nonetheless...

edit: I know I've asked before and haven't seen if you've replied... are you using Beautiful widgets and if so, how are you getting the time to be just an outline? Some how, this simple thing keeps escaping me. Help?