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[Breaking]Verizon Plans to Slow Downloads of High Data Users Because of iPhone Launch

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Since it seems like iphone and android wont have any different data plan. I would think the data throttling will be the same. From what I understand I should be able to buy an iphone 4 cdma off someone and transfer my account in two seconds like I do between android phones now. If that's so then they would have to base the throttling not on your account but which phone your currently using. That might be harder to do and even cause more arguing. Unless they exempt iphone accounts that started as iphone. Either way I agree it shouldn't matter I cant see them not throttling iphone if they throttle android

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I CAN'T EVEN WATCH A HQ YOUTUBE VID RIGHT NOW!!

Doesn't this fall along the lines of bait-n-switch? If i signed up for 3G speeds, and pay for 3G speeds, i EXPECT 3G speeds all day everyday!!!
 
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Since it seems like iphone and android wont have any different data plan. I would think the data throttling will be the same.

Although the idea that VZW will want to keep the IPhone speeds up to compete with AT&T is very interesting, people keep acting like VZW sold its soul to get the IPhone. That was definitely a two way street - Apple wanted/need to be on VZW every bit as much (arguably more) as VZW needed the IPhone. VZW doesn't sell phones, they sell service - look at their commercials: "The BEST line-up of smartphones". They're not going to play favorites and they aren't going to push one phone over another, especially if that risks alienating large segments of their subscribers.

Just like VZW was going to drop everything until Steve Jobs told them they could start selling other phones. Thunderbolt supposedly releasing Feb 14th.
 
26% of Verizon's 95 million customers are smartphone users. Assuming the top 5% are all smart phone users, that's 1 in 5 that will get throttled if they choose to implement this plan as stated.


26% stat comes from Jan. 2011 Why The Verizon iPhone Is Going To Be Huge: Only 26% Of Verizon Subscribers Have Smartphones

Ok, seriously, let's do the math. That's 1 in 20. For every 100 people there will be 5 that are throttled. That comes down to 1 in 20. Ok, math lesson over lol. Anyway, I'm not sure we should harbor ill feelings toward the iPhone. I think they'll throttle iPhone users too. Here's the deal though, studies have shown that we use more data than iPhone users. There will be a lot less people with iPhones in the top 5% so most iPhone users won't have any problems. If 98% of At&t users used less than 2gb it's probably pretty similar for Verizon. More than likely the cutoff will probably be around 2 or 3 gb. Sure, we don't think that's extraordinary but compared to everyone else it is. 10x more than what 68% of users use is technically extraordinary. Their PR team worded it like there for a reason. So there wouldn't be a large outcry. Everyone is like, well I don't use extraordinary amounts of data but we're not the norm. I don't think it will be that bad, but more than 2 or 3 gigs will probably get throttled. Just my opinion.

Ok, I see what you're saying but I think data card users will be in there so I based my numbers off of that. 1 in 20 data users will be capped.
 
czerdrill,

So I wont have to quote everything you said....lol, I agree with alot of what you said.
 
I CAN'T EVEN WATCH A HQ YOUTUBE VID RIGHT NOW!!

Doesn't this fall along the lines of bait-n-switch? If i signed up for 3G speeds, and pay for 3G speeds, i EXPECT 3G speeds all day everyday!!!


I realize your upset as many are, and I know the language filters are in place, but please, refrain from posting things that the filters edit. The intent is still there and we still prefer to keep the wording clean.

Thank you.
 
Since it seems like iphone and android wont have any different data plan. I would think the data throttling will be the same.

Although the idea that VZW will want to keep the IPhone speeds up to compete with AT&T is very interesting, people keep acting like VZW sold its soul to get the IPhone. That was definitely a two way street - Apple wanted/need to be on VZW every bit as much (arguably more) as VZW needed the IPhone. VZW doesn't sell phones, they sell service - look at their commercials: "The BEST line-up of smartphones". They're not going to play favorites and they aren't going to push one phone over another, especially if that risks alienating large segments of their subscribers.

Just like VZW was going to drop everything until Steve Jobs told them they could start selling other phones. Thunderbolt supposedly releasing Feb 14th.

i don't know that i agree with that assessment. time will certainly tell, but i think we're going to see a HUGE campaign by VZW to sell the iPhone. with the customer base the iPhone has, and its staunch customer loyalty, VZW would be silly not to. in fact, my bet is that the biggest marketing/ad campaigns for Andy devices will be from the manufacturers themselves, and not VZW.
 
to me, this is just indefensible on VZW's part. regardless of which number of users calculation you accept (whether czerdrill or UNC's), the analysis is the same: Did you pay $200/$300/more to VZW for a phone? Yes. Did you sign a contract with VZW? Yes. Did that contract provide for unlimited data? Yes. Have you paid $200 a month for the past X years (like i have)? Yes.

but now, VZW can choose to unilaterally alter the terms of the agreement, solely to accomodate potential VZW customers who are not under contract, and who have not yet paid VZW a single penny?! is VZW going to correspondingly "throttle" back the bills it sends to its affected customers?! under no reasonable definition do i find this to be "acceptable" or "understandable".

if i told my existing clients, who i am under contract to serve and who regularly pay me, that i will be providing them less service than i originally agreed (and for what i've been paid) because i have a really big potential client that i am trying to bring on board, would anyone find that appropriate??

that's not what's happening though. why do people fail to see this? you are 100% correct, they can't just change your contract out of the blue like that. and that's not what theyre doing. for all intents and purposes you have unlimited data. this month you can use 1MB and next month you can use 125GB if you wanted. You'd still pay $29.99 for unlimited data. Verizon can't just charge you overages for using more data then what they want you to use.

here's what they can do, and what they are doing. The contract clearly states that they can, at any time, for any reason throttle your data. does that completely suck? yes it does. is there anything that can be done about it? no, there's not. the contract that was agreed to didn't mislead the user and say "you will unequivocally have unlimited data, unlimited speeds, and the ability to use our network for whatever you see fit"...there was no data guarantee, no speed guarantee and no other guarantees in the contract except what i mentioned above.

you have unlimited data. but verizon can throttle your data whenever they want however they want for whatever reason they want.

and i think its foolish for anyone (not talking about you husker, just quoted you) to think that 50% of smartphone users are going to be throttled. how do people not realize how utterly ridiculous that sounds?

verizon, in their own corporate boardroom somewhere will set a threshold that they consider "extraordinary" usage. they will make the customer aware of this. if a customer goes over that usage, the top 5% who go over will be throttled. i mean it's spelled clear as day in that article, and everyone here is going crazy about it. and guess what? they are also allowed to do this because of the contract that everyone signed. it's in there. in black and white. ignorance of that fact is not an excuse.

90% of the people here will probably not even be affected. and it'll be 5% of the 10% that are left who get hurt by this. a very, very, very small amount. and yes...if an iphone user is in that 5% they will be throttled. you've gotta be kidding me if you think verizon is going to give free reign of their network to you just because you have an iphone and punish you if you dont...

You can't call out people for not reading their contract, and then not read the article we are talking about.

Someone corrected me, 26% of vzw is smartphones... so, let's do some rough math. 5% of 95 million is 4+ million. 26% of 95 million is ~23 million. So basically 20-30% of ALL smartphone users are in the top 5% of all verizon data usage... I imagine the people of this website use more bandwidth than the average smartphone consumer. So, upwards of 50% of this forum is going to be throttled. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts...

Men lie and women lie, but numbers NEVER lie.

you didn't read the article sir. it doesn't say 5 percent of smartphone users will be throttled. what it does say is "If you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of Verizon Wireless data users"
how are you only seeing the 5% part and not seeing what comes before that? "if you use an extraordinary amount of data". now, tell me, is there some book somewhere that defines what "extraordinary amount of data" means? no there's not. So that means VZW will decide what that means. the article also includes the word "and" meaning both conditions have to be met. if you use an extraordinary amount of data and fall within the top 5% of VZW data users, you will be throttled.

since we're doing math, let's make it simple. let's say there are 100 verizon users. and verizon decides that "extraordinary" means over 5GB. studies have shown that 90+% use less than that, but let's keep it at 90% use less. That means 10 users use an "extraordinary amount of data". Now, we look at the second part of the requirement: "and fall within the top 5% of VZW data users". That means it's 5% of those 10, which amounts to 1/2 a person. in other words, very very very few people will be affected by this.

They are not saying "of all the smartphone users, 5% will be throttled"...you're reading the article wrong, just like you read your contract wrong haha...

and yes...iphone users who fall in that 5% will be throttled.
 
Ok, I see what you're saying but I think data card users will be in there so I based my numbers off of that. 1 in 20 data users will be capped.

They are already capped, so why would they be throttled? Much easier for them to pick-up and go elsewhere since they aren't beholden to using the data cards to, you know, actually call someone.

To me it's pretty simple and obvious. If you're using more than 2gigs, 5 gigs at most, then you are either tethering and/or shifting usage. The market VZW is trying to serve are people who use mobile data out of convenience, not necessity or because they can. That 80-90% of smartphone users are who VZW wants to ensure quality service for. If the other 10-20% want to run to Sprint or some other subpar carrier VZW doesn't care. The former is a much bigger market, and VZW isn't going to let 10-20% of bandwidth hogs jeopardize their position as the premier service provider. These people will find sympathy only among their fellow lepers.
 
Verizon, Motorola, Crafty Criminals....what do they all have in common? They all get away with their wrong doings.
 
Kodiak I agree with you in that vzw sells the service and doesn't cater to a brand. Im also saying if they wanted to help iphone not get throttled it would be hard because they are mixing the two with the same plan.



@over. I don't tether but I use my pc at home as an ftp server and media streamer. I either stream videos to my phone or download the files from the ftp and watch them. Each video is 50 megs to 500 megs so it adds up quick. I have gone over 5 gigs and its not tethering andbim not doing anything wrong but I may still be throttled which sucks


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