Finally! This Iphone thing is over!!!

[GeneralZod]

So the market data, which not only shows the rate of adoption and is a decent gauge for popularity, is insignificant to you somehow?

I see...

No. It's not insignificant, it merely is what you would expect it to be. iPhone really can't grow, without expanding to additional carriers. And since Android was at zero last year, it had no where to go but up.

Again, I'm not trying to deny the rapid adoption of the Android platform. All I'm saying is, much of that was fed by the desire for an iPhone-like device on VZW. And if VZW users actually had an iPhone option, some, if not many, would choose iPhone over Android. And whether that number is some or many, it would impact Android sales.

Ultimately, we won't really know how the two sell to head to head, until either:

1. AT&T has a selection of quality Android devices
2. VZW gets the iPhone

Finally, when you speak of "open platforms" with regard to cell phones, what percentage of people buying cell phones do you think actually care? We live in a country where most people can't set their microwave clocks or get their printers to print.

 

[abe7333]

It takes time. I am just saying that now android ia up there where devs are giving it a serious thought.

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[abe7333]

The iPhone thing is over? Hold on... let me sell all that useless Apple stock.

Getting serious for a second, if iPhone does indeed come to VZW next year, as has been widely speculated, it will have a large and significant impact on Android sales. That is not a judgment of the quality of the DX or any other Android device, it's just reality.

Its not coming anytime soon. The verizon ceo said that they are doing great with android and are not really that exited to get the iphone. I am just saying that the more good os in the market, the better for us. As from the report I saw the market can hold upto 5 mobile os.


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[abe7333]

The iPhone thing is over? Hold on... let me sell all that useless Apple stock.

Getting serious for a second, if iPhone does indeed come to VZW next year, as has been widely speculated, it will have a large and significant impact on Android sales. That is not a judgment of the quality of the DX or any other Android device, it's just reality.

How do you figure it would have significant impact on Android sales when iPhone owners are jumping over the side of the SS Apple just to have Android options which are superior to the iFail?

Your statement makes no sense when you look at market data.

I agree totally. I jumped from iphone after having iphone for 3 years and not because of att, because of android. I wanted the openness.

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[Darkseider]

So the market data, which not only shows the rate of adoption and is a decent gauge for popularity, is insignificant to you somehow?

I see...

No. It's not insignificant, it merely is what you would expect it to be. iPhone really can't grow, without expanding to additional carriers. And since Android was at zero last year, it had no where to go but up.

Again, I'm not trying to deny the rapid adoption of the Android platform. All I'm saying is, much of that was fed by the desire for an iPhone-like device on VZW. And if VZW users actually had an iPhone option, some, if not many, would choose iPhone over Android. And whether that number is some or many, it would impact Android sales.

Ultimately, we won't really know how the two sell to head to head, until either:

1. AT&T has a selection of quality Android devices
2. VZW gets the iPhone

Finally, when you speak of "open platforms" with regard to cell phones, what percentage of people buying cell phones do you think actually care? We live in a country where most people can't set their microwave clocks or get their printers to print.

The only single carrier iPhone is here in the U.S. in Europe MANY carriers have the iPhone as well as Asia. Guess what? Android is growing, actually eclipsing the iPhone, globally. Remember the U.S. does NOT equal the world, particularly a world where Android is growing by leaps and bounds. So next time you try and use the single carrier argument remember we're not the only ones on this blue marble.

 

[GeneralZod]

Its not coming anytime soon. The verizon ceo said that they are doing great with android and are not really that exited to get the iphone. I am just saying that the more good os in the market, the better for us. As from the report I saw the market can hold upto 5 mobile os.

I've heard everything from "it's a done deal" to "it's never going to happen". Statement made by CEOs in the press amount to little more than posturing. Either way, I'll believe it when it's officially announced. To your latter point, I agree totally. The more options we have as consumers, the better. As we can plainly see in the Android world, the more competition the better.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

I really don't trust any graph I see comparing growth, market share or whatever else. Every one of those graphs are tailored to the likes of who creates them. If someone wants it to look like Android controls market share they will find some loop hole to make it look that way and vice versa.

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[abe7333]

The iPhone thing is over? Hold on... let me sell all that useless Apple stock.

Getting serious for a second, if iPhone does indeed come to VZW next year, as has been widely speculated, it will have a large and significant impact on Android sales. That is not a judgment of the quality of the DX or any other Android device, it's just reality.

How do you figure it would have significant impact on Android sales when iPhone owners are jumping over the side of the SS Apple just to have Android options which are superior to the iFail?

Your statement makes no sense when you look at market data.

Let's be honets with ourselves, folks. If/when Verizon carries the iPhone, it WILL have an impact on Android sales. No question. There's no denying the fact that the iPhone is a highly regarded device and is one of the main reasons that AT&T has remained successfull. Love my X, but the iPhone is a popular and quality device. On the other hand, AT&T's service STINKS and it is widely known. So when AT&T sufferers who are loyal to the iPhone have the option to get it through Verizon, many will do it. Likewise, the iPhone is arguably less intimidating to the novice smartphone user simply because (it seems like) everyone and their mother has one and has figured out how to use it. Android, while growing faster than iPhone OS, is still a bit foreign to many people. Again, looking at the customers who are finally ready to step into their first smart phone, I think there could be a greater tendency to try the iPhone than many of the Androids if they are side by side in a Verizon store. Therefor, I do believe Android sales will be impacted. Not crushed, but they will feel it if/when iPhone comes to VZW. And I am certain that VZW's new customer growth will spike when people have the option to ditch AT&T but keep their precious iPhones.

That's why we are not going to see iphone until 2011 or 2012 on verizon. People have been speculating iphone on verizon for past three years haven't happened yet. Plus you have too see that most of the apple sales,.over 70% is not iphone, it's ipod touch.
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[GeneralZod]

The only single carrier iPhone is here in the U.S. in Europe MANY carriers have the iPhone as well as Asia. Guess what? Android is growing, actually eclipsing the iPhone, globally. Remember the U.S. does NOT equal the world, particularly a world where Android is growing by leaps and bounds. So next time you try and use the single carrier argument remember we're not the only ones on this blue marble.

Again, when you say Android is growing by leaps and bounds, while iPhone isn't... what else would you expect? By and large, Apple had a saturated market, while Android didn't exist a year ago. It's like me saying I just built a phone in my basement and sold it to my brother. Therefore, my sales are up 100% for the month of October while Android has only experienced 8% growth. All this data needs to be looked at in a historical context. And again, I never said Android would dry up and disappear if VZW got an iPhone, only that it would impact Android sales adversely.

As for the U.S. vs. international markets, I was merely looking at it within the context it's typically discussed on these forums.

 

[abe7333]

I really don't trust any graph I see comparing growth, market share or whatever else. Every one of those graphs are tailored to the likes of who creates them. If someone wants it to look like Android controls market share they will find some loop hole to make it look that way and vice versa.

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I agree but you think you can deny about the rapid growth of android? I no you can't. Blame on att, or apple. It does not matter. Most people like apple more is because of the app store. Android market is growing and in like 6 to 12 months there is not going to be much difference in the app store. After that its going to be like xbox and ps3. Oh we have this game exclusive or that exclusive IMO.
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[OneTenderRebel]

I really don't trust any graph I see comparing growth, market share or whatever else. Every one of those graphs are tailored to the likes of who creates them. If someone wants it to look like Android controls market share they will find some loop hole to make it look that way and vice versa.

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I agree but you think you can deny about the rapid growth of android? I no you can't. Blame on att, or apple. It does not matter. Most people like apple more is because of the app store. Android market is growing and in like 6 to 12 months there is not going yup be much difference in the app store. After that its going to be like xnox and ps3. Oh we have this game exclusive or that exclusive IMO.
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No certainly don't deny the growth. I know it is growing rapidly. Just merely saying graphs are very deceiving.

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[abe7333]

I really don't trust any graph I see comparing growth, market share or whatever else. Every one of those graphs are tailored to the likes of who creates them. If someone wants it to look like Android controls market share they will find some loop hole to make it look that way and vice versa.

sent from the great depths of my phones internet (thanks Al Gore)

I agree but you think you can deny about the rapid growth of android? I no you can't. Blame on att, or apple. It does not matter. Most people like apple more is because of the app store. Android market is growing and in like 6 to 12 months there is not going yup be much difference in the app store. After that its going to be like xnox and ps3. Oh we have this game exclusive or that exclusive IMO.
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No certainly don't deny the growth. I know it is growing rapidly. Just merely saying graphs are very deceiving.

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I agree. Statistics are dangerous. When you do mba there is a while freaking class on how to manipulate stats according to you. Lol. I am saying after a while its going to be like who has the more exclusive content
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[GeneralZod]

I agree. Statistics are dangerous.

I've read that nearly 80% of all statistics are made up. :happy:

 

[OneTenderRebel]

I agree. Statistics are dangerous.

I've read that nearly 80% of all statistics are made up. :happy:

Haha 60% of the time, it's guaranteed to work everytime!


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[Darkseider]

The only single carrier iPhone is here in the U.S. in Europe MANY carriers have the iPhone as well as Asia. Guess what? Android is growing, actually eclipsing the iPhone, globally. Remember the U.S. does NOT equal the world, particularly a world where Android is growing by leaps and bounds. So next time you try and use the single carrier argument remember we're not the only ones on this blue marble.

Again, when you say Android is growing by leaps and bounds, while iPhone isn't... what else would you expect? By and large, Apple had a saturated market, while Android didn't exist a year ago. It's like me saying I just built a phone in my basement and sold it to my brother. Therefore, my sales are up 100% for the month of October while Android has only experienced 8% growth. All this data needs to be looked at in a historical context. And again, I never said Android would dry up and disappear if VZW got an iPhone, only that it would impact Android sales adversely.

As for the U.S. vs. international markets, I was merely looking at it within the context it's typically discussed on these forums.

The iPhone if/when it comes to VZW will effect Android sales some but not as great as one would think. The largest sales/influx of iPhones on VZW will be people with iPhones jumping ship from AT&T to VZW for better network coverage. Not to mention that the iPhone is already a generation behind current Android handsets in terms of hardware. When the new Android phones sporting the Tegra 2 250 and other Cortex A9 dual core SoC's start hitting the market late this year/early next year the gap will be widened even further. Assuming that Apple will continue it's incremental upgrades as it has with the iPhone/3G/3GS/4 than when the new iPhone is released it will once again be behind the curve in terms of hardware/performance. Couple this with the impending release of Gingerbread this year and Honeycomb next year and iOS4 will look just as stale as the hardware it is running on.

Apple made a mistake with dropping the PPC in its' Mac line and going x86. They bought an ARM design company and are hoping to redeem themselves in mobile computing with the A4 and future SoC's they will design and use because they know as well as most others that this is the future of computing. What they need to do is produce a phone, tablet, etc... that has ALL the bells and whistles when it is released and not leave people wanting more especially when seeing what the competition, read Android, is offering. Until they do that Apple will continue to fall out of favor with the consumer abroad.