Finally! This Iphone thing is over!!!

[abe7333]

I agree. Statistics are dangerous.

I've read that nearly 80% of all statistics are made up. :happy:

Stats can be easily made. Like when they say how 9 out of ten doctors recommended blah blah. Well, out of hundred 9 recommended it and they are excluding the other 90 and taking thier control group as 10. Lol thus 9 out of ten. Lol its funny how easy it is.

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[GeneralZod]

The iPhone if/when it comes to VZW will effect Android sales some but not as great as one would think.

Here is the crux of our disagreement. I suspect it will have a tremendous impact. But we can agree to disagree.

Not to mention that the iPhone is already a generation behind current Android handsets in terms of hardware.

While that may be true in terms of hardware, ultimately the key is the entire experience. And even still, there are very few reviews I've read (and I've been reading a ton lately) that put any Android device ahead of the iPhone.

Couple this with the impending release of Gingerbread this year and Honeycomb next year and iOS4 will look just as stale as the hardware it is running on.

Just curious (as I have no idea) what changes do you expect these OS upgrades to bring?

For what it's worth, iPhone has been the market leader for several years now, while everyone else has been playing catch up. Until Apple demonstrates they that can't maintain that lead, I have no reason to believe they can't. To that end, I'm expecting Apple to again up the stakes with the nextgen iPhone.

 

[jroc]

Remember folks, this is 2010 and soon to be 2011, not 2008. Android phones, the hardware and the OS has come along way since 2008.

The iPhone coming to Verizon wont hurt Android sales, wont have a big impact on Android sales. It will be just another phone for folks to choose from, thats it.

 

[abe7333]

Remember folks, this is 2010 and soon to be 2011, not 2008. Android phones, the hardware and the OS has come along way since 2008.

The iPhone coming to Verizon wont hurt Android sales, wont have a big impact on Android sales. It will be just another phone for folks to choose from, thats it.

Yup

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[jroc]

Zod, u talk like every Droid 1, 2, Inc, X owner will just throw their phones in the trash and go to the iPhone and totally dismiss the next wave of Android phones...lol U talk like there are NO happy users of the Droid 1, 2, Inc and X....look around.

Ppl looking for a smartphone that had neither, some will choose the iPhone, some will choose Android. Ppl thats happy with Android, I dont see too many switching. I'm one of those ppl. Now, if we woulda had this discussion back in 2007, 2008 back when the choice was Blackberry, Palm and Win Mo, I would agree. As I wanted an iPhone back then.

Enter the Droid and all that changed....the iPhone was an after thought for me with the Droid. So u can imagine what its like now that I have the X. Imagine whats its gonna be like when the next wave of Android phones come out....

There are features the iPhone 4 has I wanna see on Android. But overall? Give me Android...

 

[Darkseider]

The iPhone if/when it comes to VZW will effect Android sales some but not as great as one would think.

Here is the crux of our disagreement. I suspect it will have a tremendous impact. But we can agree to disagree.

Not to mention that the iPhone is already a generation behind current Android handsets in terms of hardware.

While that may be true in terms of hardware, ultimately the key is the entire experience. And even still, there are very few reviews I've read (and I've been reading a ton lately) that put any Android device ahead of the iPhone.

Couple this with the impending release of Gingerbread this year and Honeycomb next year and iOS4 will look just as stale as the hardware it is running on.

Just curious (as I have no idea) what changes do you expect these OS upgrades to bring?

For what it's worth, iPhone has been the market leader for several years now, while everyone else has been playing catch up. Until Apple demonstrates they that can't maintain that lead, I have no reason to believe they can't. To that end, I'm expecting Apple to again up the stakes with the nextgen iPhone.

Gingerbread will be a completely revamped UI offering a better and smoother experience overall. Not to mention that Google has the former head of UI development for WebOS working on it. WOOT! Now as for the reviews. Really? The only reason the reviewers are putting iPhone on top is the same reason every freakin' news site, news channel, etc... goes on and on about iPhone greatness. Advertising $$$$ and a fear of reprisal from Uncle Steve. If you haven't noticed any large review site and or media outlet that speaks out against the messiah Uncle Steve and his child, the iPhone, gets ignored, less advertising $$$, no event invites, etc... This at best is corporate bullying rather than unbiased reviews. There are plenty of examples that can be found of this happening.

 

[Darkseider]

Couldn't help myself. Here ya go Zod, right from our forums and the news team to you!

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...-choice-among-smartphone-buyers-recently.html

 

[jroc]

Damn, and I totally forgot about Fascinate users...my fault. Which right now is the only other Android phone out on Verizon now I would have a hard time choosing over the X.

And this HTC Merge thats coming real soon. Which I would have a hard time choosing between it and the Droid 2.

The high end Android phones Verizon has is nothing to sneeze at. Dont underestimate em..

 

[GeneralZod]

Zod, u talk like every Droid 1, 2, Inc, X owner will just throw their phones in the trash and go to the iPhone and totally dismiss the next wave of Android phones.

Not at all. However, I do believe the average person, when presented with the following choice:

1. iPhone
2. 6 different Android devices, from which the customer has to decide which is best for them

The average user will go with an iPhone. And every person who makes that choice, is someone who was a potential Android customer. Hence, lost sales. As I said, I believe if iPhone expands in additional markets/carriers, it will impact Android. If we disagree, that's fine.

Gingerbread will be a completely revamped UI offering a better and smoother experience overall. Not to mention that Google has the former head of UI development for WebOS working on it. WOOT!

Excellent.

Couldn't help myself. Here ya go Zod, right from our forums and the news team to you!

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...-choice-among-smartphone-buyers-recently.html

Thanks. Any idea what percentage of carriers offer the iPhone as opposed to what percentage have an decent Android offering? As I've said, I suspect as much as Android's adoption has been driven by new, quality devices, I believe it's also come from customers on carriers who don't have an iPhone offering. I'd be very interested to see that specific comparison.

Edit: I just saw this is the top story over at Boy Genius Report. The timing is funny.

 

[Dr.Dad]

A different perspective

I would consider myself an average cellphone user. Joe Schmoe. When my contract was up and iPhone was available on Verizon, the I would have bought it. I stay with Verizon bc of the coverage, the fact that I've been with them for 14 years, and I would rather cut my arm off than start a new contract with a new cell phone company (or have to be in a cell phone store for more than 3 minutes).
I would have bought the iPhone bc my friends have them and they seem user friendly (which really just means they have been around longer and "people" know how to use them). In addition I use a Mac at home, and interfacing would be easier.
I am normally an extremely busy person, but have been on sabbatical and have had some extra time lately. Without this extra time, I would have had no idea how to get as much out of my phone that I am getting now. Again, I am an average user, so I am sure I am only scratching the surface of my phone's ability, but I love my phone now and all of its uses. I have had other smart phones (BB Storm 1, some samsung windows OS phone) and they were a WASTE on me bc I just didn't have the time to learn how to use the phone and get more out of the phone. I checked email and occasionally got on the net and that's it! That's a waste and it was bc I didn't have the time!

Would I trade my X for an iphone now? No, but if I hadn't had that extra time to get to know my phone, then I would be disappointed with my Droid X bc I wasn't using it properly!
As more people start using android to its full capabilities, then it will only grow in popularity and more people will be comfortable with how to use it and how to get more out of it, but IMO other average users, like I was, will still choose the iPhone over Android bc they will feel more comfortable with it (and bc of the masses).
One more point: the bigger the market grows the more popular android phones will be.
PPS: We may be having a different conversation (I don't think anyone has brought this up on this thread yet) if there was only ONE android phone. Imagine if there were only three camps in this debate: 1. iPhone 2. Droid 3. everything else?!?!?! There would be a million apps, they would all work on the generic Droid phone, and if some dude picked up your phone they would know how to use it right off the bat! That would be the true test of android vs iphone!

 

[abe7333]

Just something i observed over the weekend. In almost all sporting events that I had on my television (baseball/football) Verizon was pushing one phone. Not the X. Not the Droid 2. They were pushing the Incredible!

Now that may have been because of the special they had, "by an Incredible get another phone free," just surprised that there was nothing on the X or D2.

Idk why they are pushing incredible so much?

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[abe7333]

The iPhone thing is over? Hold on... let me sell all that useless Apple stock.

Getting serious for a second, if iPhone does indeed come to VZW next year, as has been widely speculated, it will have a large and significant impact on Android sales. That is not a judgment of the quality of the DX or any other Android device, it's just reality.

Did you have to remember that titer main sales of os devices is ipod touch.


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[abe7333]

How do you figure it would have significant impact on Android sales when iPhone owners are jumping over the side of the SS Apple just to have Android options which are superior to the iFail?

Those who are switching, are typically switching for a superior network, not a superior device.

Your statement makes no sense when you look at market data.

What marketing data would this be? Where can we look at a carrier, that has both options, where Android is dominating iPhone?

The following will all impact Android sales:

• VZW users eligible for a new device, who might have considered Android devices, would have an iPhone option
• VZW users who currently have an Android device, who would have likely purchased a new Android device, would have an iPhone option
• Disgusted AT&T customers, who might have considered Android devices, would have an iPhone option
• Disgusted T-Mobile customers, would have considered Android devices, will now have an iPhone option

iPhone is the most wildly popular cell phone in history. To believe it wouldn't impact Android, which let's face it, would have never gained this momentum had iPhone been on VZW all these years, seems crazy.

Look, I'm not questioning that Android will march on. And I have no desire to get into a debate about device quality, feature sets, etc. All I'm saying is, the iPhone has broader appeal. Forums like these, which largely target power users, have a way of distorting perspectives. The average person, when presented with the option, is going to choose an iPhone. While a wide selection of Android devices may be a good thing for you or I, for the average person it just creates confusion.

About your comment on that iphone is the most popular phone in history? You are wrong..idk if you remember but when nokia came out with its phones. Still nokia sells more phone than any other company.
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[jroc]

Dr. Dad, Nice perspective. One Android phone vs. one iPhone. That would be interesting. But one wildcard for Android phones is the physical keyboard. Just by how many ppl got the Ally, Devour, Droid 1 and 2, Epic 4G there is a market for physical keyboards.

Where as some ppl see choice of phones as a problem, I think its a good thing. I wonder how many ppl with an iPhone now would get an iPhone that had a physical keyboard?

And ppl like to shop. Believe it or not ppl like to choose. Its a part of shopping. Ppl wanna feel like they are smart shoppers. Its a sense of accomplishment.

Even if it was one Android phone, the iPhone wouldnt necessarily get that sale. Look at it now. Is the iPhone the only phone ppl choose that use AT&T? No, ppl have actually picked a phone other than the iPhone. And thats before the Captivate came along. I'm assuming the Blackberries and Palm phones were probably the other popular choices. Some of which had physical keyboards....

I feel Verizon's Android phone line up has more quality Android phones than the other carriers. I cant see the iPhone denting Android sales alot on Verizon. Maybe the iPhone and Win 7 phones combined, but neither by themselves.

 

[GeneralZod]

Did you have to remember that titer main sales of os devices is ipod touch.

Not sure what this means.

About your comment on that iphone is the most popular phone in history? You are wrong..idk if you remember but when nokia came out with its phones. Still nokia sells more phone than any other company.

iPhone is a model, Nokia is an entire company.

Did Nokia have a particular model that sold more units than the iPhone has? Regardless, I don't recall lines around the block and people sleeping out the night before, to get any Nokia phones. Which doesn't mean it didn't happen, only that I don't recall the craziness that has surrounded most iPhone releases.