Is it a bad habit to charge overnight?

[ultra09hd]

Right. But the meter being off as you've said has nothing really to do with the batteries actual level or capacity. Only the the meter is wrong. But what meter are u using? An app? A built in app meter like fancy Widgets? If there's one on stock phone I've not seen it. Only info I seen is what's in settings for battery.

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[FoxKat]

Right. But overcharging is protected by the both the charger and phones. Since lipos have no memory...why do you keep posting your so called training method?

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And the "charger" (if we're talking about the charging block plugged into the wall) plays NO role in protecting the battery from overcharge. The PHONE has a charging and monitoring system in it that both monitors and regulates the charging rate, and also determines the condition of the battery and at what point it is fully charged, where in the charge and discharge curve it is at any one time, when the battery has reached the minimum levels where the manufacturer suggests you implement charging, and at what level the battery can no longer continue to support the phone without risking deep discharging.

Also the battery itself (if a smart battery) will have its own protection circuitry built into the battery package, which monitors the battery for conditions which could create risk and damage to the battery, and this circuitry has the ability to interrupt the electrical connection between the battery and the world around it so that the battery is protected from undue risk and potential self-destruction.

So it is more accurate to say the phone's charging and monitoring (metering) system and the battery itself protect it from overcharge. I was simply stating the extreme regarding the comment about charging for 15 hours to prove a point. You can actually leave this phone on the charger for 24 hours per day, 7 days a week, constantly connected to mains and do no major harm to the battery. It will over time accelerate the aging process due to keeping the battery's voltages near or at their recommended maximum (4.2V typically), but as long as the protection circuits are functioning normally, the battery will not "overcharge". What I WAS saying is that there is no BENEFIT to charging for 15 hours, and in fact the battery is fully charged (stage 2 saturation charge) in about 3-5 hours (3 for the RAZR, 5.5 for the MAXX). Anything beyond will simply cause the charging system to be sitting in a wait state until if and when it determines the battery needs a slight replenishing to put it back to 100% of capacity again.

 

[ultra09hd]

Sooo. Instead of posting ridiculous long paragraphs of info that doesn't really pertain to the simple answer...which is doing nothing more than confusing the hell out of most...just say ' nope. It won't harm your battery at all' and be done?

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[FoxKat]

Right. But the meter being off as you've said has nothing really to do with the batteries actual level or capacity. Only the the meter is wrong. But what meter are u using? An app? A built in app meter like fancy Widgets? If there's one on stock phone I've not seen it. Only info I seen is what's in settings for battery.

sent from a RAZR on a Harley!

We are in agreement on all points so far, any apparent disagreement is simply a slight communication gap between you and I, and it's probably my fault. The meter has nothing to do with the battery's capacity, however it certainly has something - everything to do with its charge level since it's the charger that dictates when the battery gets a charge and when it no longer needs charging.

As for the "meter", we're not talking about a meter in the truest sense of the word for the end user, but more of a "battery health" system that is monitoring not only the battery's voltages, but also its current draw, its temperature, and its charge and discharge "curves" (or signature) do determine when it is either nearing or has reached minimum or maximum thresholds. Where the error in the meter begins to affect the battery's charge levels and performance - both short and long term is when it becomes diverged from the actual levels and instead represents the battery's charge level or capacity to be different than it actually is. It's during those times that damage can be caused to the battery - not due to user error but due to meter error, and it's those times that a METER "training" will put things back into alignment and allow the meter to more accurately determine those thresholds and alert the user or the charging system as to when it's time to either start charging or stop, or to end the discharge cycle.

If it's working properly, you will see no ill effects, but if it's out of calibration to the battery, you can see lots of problems and many have been "real world" demonstrated by users, such as the one whose battery meter on the phone was telling her the battery had 5% left...for 8 hours while it was playing music constantly. We all know this battery couldn't put out power to carry the phone, memory, speaker output, etc., for 8 hours with only 5% remaining...maybe 8 minutes, but not 8 hours. Others have described where the meter said the phone had 50% or 60% remaining, only to have it shut down and become unresponsive to the power button or the charger in just a short time later. In those cases, the meter believed the battery had far MORE power left than it did, but suddenly reached the end of the remaining power and when it shut down it had actually used more power than it should have, causing it to deep discharge.

 

[FunN4Lo]

I have had a smart phone since their invention. (windows before iPhone) and then the OG Droid at inception and now a Bionic. I have always charged over night. Some days I run until it nearly shuts down from bat drain. Some days I go down to 60-70% and charge back up multiple times a day. It just depends on access to a charger. I have never had a battery failure. I have never had a time when a bat only last a few hours. I have always done the new every 2 years on VZW, but I still have my OG Driod beyond 2 years. My daughter used it for a while and now it is a iproid (ha! A Driod iPod)

 

[FoxKat]

Sooo. Instead of posting ridiculous long paragraphs of info that doesn't really pertain to the simple answer...which is doing nothing more than confusing the hell out of most...just say ' nope. It won't harm your battery at all' and be done?

sent from a RAZR on a Harley!

You can take from what I say what you want, or you can choose to ignore my posts. Obviously you feel a great need to flex your muscles here, but I am only stating facts.

I have been validated by MANY members who have had problems with their batteries, then used the techniques I describe (which came not directly from me but through hundreds of hours of research across a myriad of reliable sources), and the result was their batteries and phones once again performed as well or better than expected.

Why is it that there has to be one or two people who get so heated up about this discussion, yet the other 99.9% take the information, read it, understand it, and thank me for it, then apply it and find the results they obtain are in alignment with what I've described?

:blink:

 

[ultra09hd]

What meter? The stock icon on the status bar? An app that shows battery%?

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[FoxKat]

I have had a smart phone since their invention. (windows before iPhone) and then the OG Droid at inception and now a Bionic. I have always charged over night. Some days I run until it nearly shuts down from bat drain. Some days I go down to 60-70% and charge back up multiple times a day. It just depends on access to a charger. I have never had a battery failure. I have never had a time when a bat only last a few hours. I have always done the new every 2 years on VZW, but I still have my OG Driod beyond 2 years. My daughter used it for a while and now it is a iproid (ha! A Driod iPod)

And what you describe is exactly what I have said all along...don't allow it to discharge to 0 and power down on its own, charge to 100% or charge partially multiple times per day if it is convenient, and your battery will perform as expected. It just so happens that by your own typical usage pattern you are actually performing the "training" of the meter since you are allowing it to "run until it nearly shuts down from bat drain", then "charged over night". In your situation, what you described is the training cycle I describe (except charging with power off), charge to 100%, discharge to 15% or below (but not to 0 if at all possible), and then charge to 100% again.

 

[FoxKat]

What meter? The stock icon on the status bar? An app that shows battery%?

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One and the same. ALL battery metering tools, both hardware on the phone and software built into the phone, operating system, or app get their data from the same core metering circuitry built into the phone. How they display it is the only variable.

 

[ultra09hd]

Whoa buddy! I'm not flexing nothing here. You are the one playing battery god. You response to battery threads are just so over info packed and alot of times contain info that they really confuse people. I'm trying to clear the air on these topics. Nothing more. Those that have used your training method and say their battery is better...good.( maybe a placebo effect, I don't know) but there are also just as many who do not follow your so called Gospel and show no ill effects. Again, why not keep the answers simple? If the one asked 'will leaving my phone on the charger all nite cause damage?' The answer is simply ' no, it will not'

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[nikecar]

Whoa buddy! I'm not flexing nothing here. You are the one playing battery god. You response to battery threads are just so over info packed and alot of times contain info that they really confuse people. I'm trying to clear the air on these topics. Nothing more. Those that have used your training method and say their battery is better...good.( maybe a placebo effect, I don't know) but there are also just as many who do not follow your so called Gospel and show no ill effects. Again, why not keep the answers simple? If the one asked 'will leaving my phone on the charger all nite cause damage?' The answer is simply ' no, it will not'

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If you get confused by reading, its not Fox's fault

 

[FoxKat]

OK, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here though your responses to me feel quite aggressive.

I am not playing battery god, and any of the "nicknames" you see weren't coined by me, they were coined by the members who appreciate what I do to promote good battery care, and who believe the information I provided was valuable and worthy of their praise. If I need to take it down a level because it makes either you or anyone else uncomfortable, I am all for that. I am not here to intimidate, I'm here as a volunteer, devoting many hours of my personal time each day to make this site better for you and everyone else. I do a lot more than just post about batteries here, and some of what I do you actually benefit from.

I am simply trying to answer peoples' questions and provide valuable and reliable information that explains their questions and relieves their curiosity and confusion. You say I "really confuse people" with my "over info packed" posts. Where's your proof of that claim? Have you done a poll to see whether the members look upon me as a confusion? Have you been bombarded with PMs about how everything I've said is so over-inflated? If you ask for "real world proof" of my claims, you had better be ready to back up yours with similar proof.

I've said it before, my peers on this forum will judge me, not just one individual or two, but a consensus, and so far at the moment...the consensus seems to be an approval of me.

 

[94lt1]

If someone needs something simplified, they know they can turn to us for that purpose.

Thanx

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[GSdub510]

My question could be a 'yes' or 'no' but then people would ask why, so thank you Fox for explaining the process. I don't understand the entire process but now there's nothing to worry about.

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[Aimperial]

OK, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here though your responses to me feel quite aggressive.

I am not playing battery god, and any of the "nicknames" you see weren't coined by me, they were coined by the members who appreciate what I do to promote good battery care, and who believe the information I provided was valuable and worthy of their praise. If I need to take it down a level because it makes either you or anyone else uncomfortable, I am all for that. I am not here to intimidate, I'm here as a volunteer, devoting many hours of my personal time each day to make this site better for you and everyone else. I do a lot more than just post about batteries here, and some of what I do you actually benefit from.

I am simply trying to answer peoples' questions and provide valuable and reliable information that explains their questions and relieves their curiosity and confusion. You say I "really confuse people" with my "over info packed" posts. Where's your proof of that claim? Have you done a poll to see whether the members look upon me as a confusion? Have you been bombarded with PMs about how everything I've said is so over-inflated? If you ask for "real world proof" of my claims, you had better be ready to back up yours with similar proof.

I've said it before, my peers on this forum will judge me, not just one individual or two, but a consensus, and so far at the moment...the consensus seems to be an approval of me.

I appreciate you, you have been very helpful. You have educated many...... I'm sure. Thank you! :-D

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