Is it a bad habit to charge overnight?

[ultra09hd]

My proof? Its in my other posts to you, in this thread and others, of which you agreed on. Mine are just a much smaller. And Ive posted my proof on this topic many times. So...are we both right or wrong? Is one right the other wrong? Both sides have, not just you and I, but others have stated same things. You're showing one side, I'm showing the other. I've not said you're posts are wrong have I? Nope. Some are having issues and after doing what you say, their outcome seems better. Fine. Never said it was wrong. I know mine is just fine they way I use it.

And just to clarify things. I've never judged you or your posts, but you seem to judge yourself. Ive got nothing to flex and no reason to. If I've come off wrong, sorry for the confusion.
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[FoxKat]

OK, that's fine, and I never said that what you were doing was wrong either.

What I meant by proof was not what you are defending and that you believe I meant. I wasn't asking for proof that what you do is right, or that what I say is wrong. You were claiming I was "confusing people" with my "over info packed posts". I was asking you for proof of THAT claim. Where are all the people lining up to tell us how confusing and over inflated I am. Again and for the last time, I will address any of those claims respectfully and with consideration. If I'm too over the top for people, let THEM tell me, they don't need you to be their voices, they have their own.

 

[CaptainSS]

Sometimes it is just the right thing to do, to come to the defense of a Forum Contributor, I really don't know what your problem is "Ultra" (Hmm, could that be a hint)
Fox's contributions (in your referenced length) are a sacrifice of time and effort NOT a claim to fame. trust me, I have Modded many Forums, it is a selfless effort NOT one of glorification nor monetary gain. Random posters on the other hand attempting to bring down a regular to a manageable level (for them) on the other hand - IS an act of a power grab.
So, I will go on record Thanking Fox and excusing you from the effort. He adds A LOT, YOU - not so much best I can tell. So, If his long, detailed contributions "trouble" you some how....don't let the door hit you in the accessory.
Just sayin'.

 

[ultra09hd]

The overall outcome to the op's question ...

No, its not a bad habit and will not cause any harm.

( wow! That's so hard to answer )
Lol. I'm done.

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[TRiLLSiPPiN]

The overall outcome to the op's question ...

No, its not a bad habit and will not cause any harm.

( wow! That's so hard to answer )
Lol. I'm done.

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From my reading of this thread leaving the phone on charger overnight will shorten the life span of the battery. Is my interpretation incorrect?

1 Thessalonians 5:18

 

[TRiLLSiPPiN]

It's bad for the battery to sit in 90 to 100 capacity and charging overnight guarantees this...

1 Thessalonians 5:18

 

[FoxKat]

Thank you both, and everyone else for what you do to contribute to the forum. It really is mostly all about you, very little about me and the other mods. We are "support staff", which in the purest sense means we're supposed to support you and promote what's the best in you. We are volunteer Moderators, which means we are here mostly to keep the peace and direct traffic. I know you both have a lot to give, and I've seen plenty of examples. Let's try to remember that you all shine in the eyes of the new members, and even some of you shine in the eyes of the veterans as well.

It's OK to disagree, but there is a right way to go about it, and then there's plenty of wrong ways. I would rather not be party to the wrong ways so I'll state for the record, I agree with what ultra09hd says is working for him, and I have no doubt it does. I will also say that what works for one may or may not work well for another. Without differing opinions and different points of view, we'd all be sporting iPhones :icon_eek:, not that there's anything wrong with them but variety is the spice of life, isn't it?

I am perhaps a bit more outspoken than others (understatement), but it's because I am deeply enthusiastic about what I do. Yet I won't make claims that I haven't first painstakingly researched on what I determine to be apparently highly credible sources, coupled with my own and others' experiences. But like you, I am people too. And I make mistakes as well. I will end this post with the blanket statements;

The information I post is an opinion of my own, and not necessarily the position of this forum or its founders. Any information provided, should you choose to implement is done at your own risk, just as is if you choose not to implement it. And for the record as well, your results may vary. If you feel I have helped you, please take a moment to "like" the post that you feel was helpful. If you feel differently, please feel free to let me know so perhaps I can get a better understanding of how I can help you. Finally, please know that I wish nothing posted here to in any way harm or reduce your user experience with your phones. My only aim is to enhance your user experience both here and with the device you affectionately carry with you every day.

 

[FoxKat]

From my reading of this thread leaving the phone on charger overnight will shorten the life span of the battery. Is my interpretation incorrect?

1 Thessalonians 5:18

It's bad for the battery to sit in 90 to 100 capacity and charging overnight guarantees this...

1 Thessalonians 5:18

Great question and yes you do understand otherwise the question wouldn't make sense. It's proven that keeping Lithium Ion based batteries (which these are - a hybrid Lithium Ion Polymer "Pouch Pack), at near 100% charge levels for extended periods of time will accelerate the aging process, much the same as if you were to always run at 100% capacity. Anything that is stressed repeatedly over time will fail sooner, and it is stressful to LIPO batteries to be kept at or near full charge levels for extended periods of time.

Will it die or be at such a reduced capacity at some point in the future as to cause you diminished performance? Well the question needs to be asked first, how long will you have it for, and how much will you use it daily? If you will be keeping the phone for beyond the "target lifespan" of 2 years, then perhaps you should pay a little more attention to how you charge and limit keeping the battery full for long duration. When batteries are stored in the factory they are stored with a charge level of around 40% - 50%, both to prevent the stress we're talking about here, and also to have enough power in reserve to not self-discharge to below the protection level, typically 2.5V - 2.7V, which would equate to a negative charge level of somewhere around 10% to 20% below 0.

Charging overnight will push the battery to full in about 3-5 hours, and then from there will do maintenance charges each time the power decreases to about 90%, so your assessment is spot on. It's like putting your foot on the accelerator at a stand-still while in neutral. You're racing the engine for what, so it will be ready to provide peak performance when you ultimately decide to throw the shift lever into 1st gear? What about all the wear and tear on the engine during those high rev periods? Truth is, the engine will only turn so many revolutions before something fails. So is the life of a rechargeable battery.

Disclosure: Your results may vary...

 

[CaptainSS]

Yes, Agreed. Differences of opinions is a wonderful expression of discourse. I find it objectionable to find fault with length and language, we live in a world rich in diversity ALL should be welcomed. So, Peace to All. Contribute. Offer. Share. This is what makes a Forum a wonderful thing.

 

[TRiLLSiPPiN]

Thank you for the clarification. my particular instance is one that I assume is common among maxx owners.... This will be my final upgrade with verizon and therefore my only smart phone for the next 3 to 4 years. For us who are in that boat I think it would be good to learn the charge cycles and try to avoid going over 90 percent unless absolutely necessary.

Edit: and avoid going below 15 percent.

1 Thessalonians 5:18

 

[FoxKat]

Thank you for the clarification. my particular instance is one that I assume is common among maxx owners.... This will be my final upgrade with verizon and therefore my only smart phone for the next 3 to 4 years. For us who are in that boat I think it would be good to learn the charge cycles and try to avoid going over 90 percent unless absolutely necessary.

Edit: and avoid going below 15 percent.

1 Thessalonians 5:18

An excellent summation and I would say it's 100 percent correct. If you can manage to charge your phone within a range of somewhere between 15 and say 85 to 90 percent then you're going to get greater life span out of the phone's battery. Even better if you limit the charging and discharges to shorter ranges such as between 30 and 70 percent for instance but that may not be so easy to do depending on your particular lifestyle. These batteries prefer shorter charges 2 longer ones, so you'll benefit from even longer life span if you limit the charges to shorter time frame.

The research data has proven that you will get more than twice as many 50 percent charges as you will 100 percent charges, and as you've already discovered if those charges are in the lower range of the full battery capacity, they will also avoid stressing the battery out at its maximum voltage.



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[CaptainSS]

Based on Foxkats "sound" advice - I and my (4) teenagers have altered their charging habits. What I liked about Fox's advice was his input BUT more importantly, his reasoning that backed up his input. It made sense to the lay persective of the reader, that is a talent and a service many charge for - we have the benefit of his expertise (freely given) as a service. Thank you.

 

[TRiLLSiPPiN]

An excellent summation and I would say it's 100 percent correct. If you can manage to charge your phone within a range of somewhere between 15 and say 85 to 90 percent then you're going to get greater life span out of the phone's battery. Even better if you limit the charging and discharges to shorter ranges such as between 30 and 70 percent for instance but that may not be so easy to do depending on your particular lifestyle. These batteries prefer shorter charges 2 longer ones, so you'll benefit from even longer life span if you limit the charges to shorter time frame.

The research data has proven that you will get more than twice as many 50 percent charges as you will 100 percent charges, and as you've already discovered if those charges are in the lower range of the full battery capacity, they will also avoid stressing the battery out at its maximum voltage.



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Can we add to this that charging with power OFF will also extend long term life span of the battery?

I feel like a new battery thread aimed at users who used their last upgrade to grandfather unlimited and therefore want to extend the life span of their batteries would be awesome!

Thanks for your help tonight

1 Thessalonians 5:18

 

[CaptainSS]

Can we add to this that charging with power OFF will also extend long term life span of the battery?

I feel like a new battery thread aimed at users who used their last upgrade to grandfather unlimited and therefore want to extend the life span of their batteries would be awesome!

Thanks for your help tonight

1 Thessalonians 5:18

Trully, a "New" previously non-existent group that has to encompass a considerable number. This is the device and this is the time ...... glad the two coincided if they had too.

 

[Caesars]

Everyone's different, I appreciate the detailed posts because I want the better (for me) answers. For someone planning on keeping the current phone for a few years, a simple yes or no is not an accurate answer. Other times I want a yes or no answer, it all depends on the situation.

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