@beardface I have the droid 2 and initially I love it and liked a lot of features it had including blur. Then I notice my phone lagging more than usual. When I tried a rom with out blur I realized how heave blur was.
Beardface my point is that motorola's blur, preloaded apps, and locked bootloader is combining to bite them in the end. I started a thread on the motorola forum about blur. Do you realize the top 2 reasons people, normal people who can care less about rooting, people rooted their device was to remove preloaded apps and speed their phone up. Blur is running so many services and apps in the background that it literally slowing some people's phones done. I am running a blurless rom and it runs so much smoother and faster tha with blur.
What I am saying is if blur was smoother and you did not have as many preloaded apps I dont think we would have as many people caring about rootng the d2/x. So essentially blur and preloaded apps, which was designed to bring in customers, are causing people to learn about rooting and allowing people to see complaints about blur. Those people put 2 and 2 together and think "yeah I been having the same problem".
And Drodul said it best, if all you worried about are the 1% who root then why lock the bootloader in the first place. Such a knee jerk reaction over 1% is a waste of time and money. Obviously its bigger than that if they felt they needed to do it and then explain their actions.
@beardface I have the droid 2 and initially I love it and liked a lot of features it had including blur. Then I notice my phone lagging more than usual. When I tried a rom with out blur I realized how heave blur was.
Beardface my point is that motorola's blur, preloaded apps, and locked bootloader is combining to bite them in the end. I started a thread on the motorola forum about blur. Do you realize the top 2 reasons people, normal people who can care less about rooting, people rooted their device was to remove preloaded apps and speed their phone up. Blur is running so many services and apps in the background that it literally slowing some people's phones done. I am running a blurless rom and it runs so much smoother and faster tha with blur.
What I am saying is if blur was smoother and you did not have as many preloaded apps I dont think we would have as many people caring about rootng the d2/x. So essentially blur and preloaded apps, which was designed to bring in customers, are causing people to learn about rooting and allowing people to see complaints about blur. Those people put 2 and 2 together and think "yeah I been having the same problem".
And Drodul said it best, if all you worried about are the 1% who root then why lock the bootloader in the first place. Such a knee jerk reaction over 1% is a waste of time and money. Obviously its bigger than that if they felt they needed to do it and then explain their actions.
As you touched on, we are <5% of the android community. Why would moto care about a locked bootloader. The general public of android users open the box, charge the phone, and think that its "the best thing since sliced cheese" and never change a thing. Moto's thinking? i don't get it.....then again....they don't care.
I buy Moto for the build. Gorilla glass is awesome. Wished all manufacturers would use it. I could make easier choices then. Moto just makes a QUALITY device
Yes they do. Hardware wise I have no complaints about the d2. The D1 was plagued with minor issues (ie headphone jack, keyboard) but the d2 fixed all that and it is a nice piece of hardware. The droid x got better reviews than the evo because of the battery life and the screen resolution. Now imagine if the droid x had a more polished ui (ie if blur was a lot lighter in the system folder) I dont think another manufacturer would come close. And that is my point if I am in the drivers seat I am crushing all competition. See I am big about if my team have the lead in sports that they keep driving the ball and they go for the kill...put it in the endzone again, dont give the other team life by not finishing and settling for a field goal.
That is the same thing I would do if I ran motorola, if 1% are crying about a minor feature I shut them up by allowing them to buy a key or an unlocked device. See Walmart have that practice to shut the complaint up so it dont effect other potential customers. Yes people are going to find things to complain about but if its a feature that is causing an uproar in my fan base I will look into it and find the cheapest solution to resolving it.
Because if the Bionic allowed you the ability to unlock the bootloader and blur was better who here would even consider the TB.
lol...its funny reading some of the comments here..sales are declining cuz of the locked bootloaders....
Did the bootloader have any bearing on Eris sales, Nexus 1 sales? What about Incredible sales, Fascinate sales? Since ppl like to use forums as indicators how about this:
The Droid X section is bigger than the Fascinate and Incredible section combined. Look at the Droid 2 section vs. the Fascinate and Incredible. And I remember reading the Droid 2 didnt sell as well as the Droid X...
But locked bootloaders are the reason for declining sales...right. It sure didnt hurt initial sales, and it doesnt seem to be helping sales of other phones with unlocked bootloaders.
Motorola just dont have any new Android phones on Verizon now, thats all. Maybe with Verizon getting the iPhone Verizon wasnt so pressed to get the Atrix.
I see it as less of an FU to Verizon whose main goal is to gain as many customers as possible and more of a lack in Moto's confidence in it's own product to compete with the CDMA rehash of the iPhone 4. Considering they believe Motoblur, locked bootloaders and crippled overpriced tablets are all good ideas I'm going to have to agree.
Now that I would see as more logical too. But, the Atrix is on AT&T so I dont think its that so much. Remember, we dont know if the iPhone 5 will come to Verizon. AT&T might still have exclusive rights in some way. If the iPhone 5 will go to AT&T first Motorola still has to deal with the iPhone 5.
Yea it will be June for the iPhone 5, the Atrix will be about 4 months old. Maybe Moto just doesnt wanna go head to head with the iPhone release. Its smart. Dont let its release overshadow your own product. Look at how some of us have theories about the Thunderbolt release getting pushed back.
Or maybe Motorola sees something we dont, like Verizon catering to the iPhone more than any other phone on Verizon in meetings? Actually...some of us do see it that way with recent events...
LG and Sony weren't big players in 2010
lol...its funny reading some of the comments here..sales are declining cuz of the locked bootloaders....
Did the bootloader have any bearing on Eris sales, Nexus 1 sales? What about Incredible sales, Fascinate sales? Since ppl like to use forums as indicators how about this:
The Droid X section is bigger than the Fascinate and Incredible section combined. Look at the Droid 2 section vs. the Fascinate and Incredible. And I remember reading the Droid 2 didnt sell as well as the Droid X...
But locked bootloaders are the reason for declining sales...right. It sure didnt hurt initial sales, and it doesnt seem to be helping sales of other phones with unlocked bootloaders.
Motorola just dont have any new Android phones on Verizon now, thats all. Maybe with Verizon getting the iPhone Verizon wasnt so pressed to get the Atrix.
I see it as less of an FU to Verizon whose main goal is to gain as many customers as possible and more of a lack in Moto's confidence in it's own product to compete with the CDMA rehash of the iPhone 4. Considering they believe Motoblur, locked bootloaders and crippled overpriced tablets are all good ideas I'm going to have to agree.
Now that I would see as more logical too. But, the Atrix is on AT&T so I dont think its that so much. Remember, we dont know if the iPhone 5 will come to Verizon. AT&T might still have exclusive rights in some way. If the iPhone 5 will go to AT&T first Motorola still has to deal with the iPhone 5.
Yea it will be June for the iPhone 5, the Atrix will be about 4 months old. Maybe Moto just doesnt wanna go head to head with the iPhone release. Its smart. Dont let its release overshadow your own product. Look at how some of us have theories about the Thunderbolt release getting pushed back.
Or maybe Motorola sees something we dont, like Verizon catering to the iPhone more than any other phone on Verizon in meetings? Actually...some of us do see it that way with recent events...
+1,000,000
Everyone here assumes that the average consumer is like them...
Noone cares about bootloaders!!! And even if they did, why wouldn't HTC's "self-sbf" on the G2 dissuade those same people from going ot HTC???
iPhone already has NO bloat and is going to end up being the LEAST locked down phone!!!! Bwahahaha stupid android sheep.
+1,000,000
Everyone here assumes that the average consumer is like them...
Noone cares about bootloaders!!! And even if they did, why wouldn't HTC's "self-sbf" on the G2 dissuade those same people from going ot HTC???
iPhone already has NO bloat and is going to end up being the LEAST locked down phone!!!! Bwahahaha stupid android sheep.
LG and Sony weren't big players in 2010
Or the last 5
LG and Sony weren't big players in 2010
Or the last 5
Maybe in the US...Globally the #3 and #6 cell phone manufacturers, both ahead of Moto and nearly double HTC.
If Android saved Moto, LG and Sony Erickson can certainly be major players now that they are full-on diving into the market.
Yeah but who have been the #1? Nokia? I Lawlz @them. I guess I was referring to how good their top end stuff was.
I hope you're right & Sony does step up. LG is finally getting stuff out but Sony thinks they can just name phones after their other products & it'll be gravy.
