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P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers
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Amen to that! It's a real roller coaster ride once you get started.
I'm not sure why any of this is really surprising. Illegal tethering and virus/malware are legit concerns and the mfrs/carriers are taking a path that not only makes financial sense, but also makes sense for 95% of the users who don't root or tether.
And, again, look no further than Sony's actions with the PS3...These companies have a right to protect their intellectual property and financial interests, and an obligation to do so for their program/app developers.
P3 is kind of spot on that the hacking community is its own worst enemy here, but I don't think theft is all that significant. I think this is a much more forward-looking initiative, namely premium content and other value-added services are reluctant to open their libraries until they are completely satisfied piracy won't run rampant. In the end, for most users this is a good thing. Why should 99% of users be denied premium content because half a % of unscrupulous users pirate without remorse?
Of course, this comes at the price of truly tweaking and customizing your phone, and I just think it's a very difficult balance to strike. Expect the focus to be on locking things down air-tight before turning to offer greater ability to customize. To me what makes the most sense is for the mfrs/carriers to hire some of these excellent rom teams to develop in-house. You want to differentiate and you want custom UI's, then hire the best. I don't really see what should prevent ROM's from being able to d/l and install from the market, just need some program tweaks to include temporarily unlocking the bootloader for that.
And, again, look no further than Sony's actions with the PS3...These companies have a right to protect their intellectual property and financial interests, and an obligation to do so for their program/app developers.
P3 is kind of spot on that the hacking community is its own worst enemy here, but I don't think theft is all that significant. I think this is a much more forward-looking initiative, namely premium content and other value-added services are reluctant to open their libraries until they are completely satisfied piracy won't run rampant. In the end, for most users this is a good thing. Why should 99% of users be denied premium content because half a % of unscrupulous users pirate without remorse?
Of course, this comes at the price of truly tweaking and customizing your phone, and I just think it's a very difficult balance to strike. Expect the focus to be on locking things down air-tight before turning to offer greater ability to customize. To me what makes the most sense is for the mfrs/carriers to hire some of these excellent rom teams to develop in-house. You want to differentiate and you want custom UI's, then hire the best. I don't really see what should prevent ROM's from being able to d/l and install from the market, just need some program tweaks to include temporarily unlocking the bootloader for that.
iNfAMOUS702
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Its just absurd for anyone to think its OK to use say 20gb of data..so u can afford a laptop...buy an Xbox 360..subscribe to Xbox live...have a Netflix or hulu acct..and an iPod touch but u can't afford an in home internet service?? That's just ridiculous IMO..the heavy data abusers and the ppl who don't take the time to read the instructions before flashing a a ROM..etc thus bricking their phone and making a fake warranty claim ruined it for everyone ...IF UR GONNA MODIFY THE SOFTWARE ON UR PHONE PLZ TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN HOW TO SBF..USE ADB..ETC
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Yea I got over the flash addiction. But I do have my D2G rooted just to control cpu to have better battery life. Any idea when they are going to start canning people with rooted devices. In other words is it too late to go back to stock
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andylulzyou
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They can't can anybody.
The article states they cancel rooted customers
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andylulzyou
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Apple already tried this.
iNfAMOUS702
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They just need to give u an option that says ur current device is rooted and u agree to void the warranty on said device..instead of tracking u through OS updates
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andylulzyou
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And remember this is information that is given to P3, and we don't know if that was whispered down the lane. As plausible as it seems everybody should just take a chill pill and get their panties out of a knot.
Because the easiest way to stop this would be to just remove tethering apps out of the market. Not tracking down every single root user and trying to terminate them for tethering... not every user runs their Xbox live off of Verizon's network
Because the easiest way to stop this would be to just remove tethering apps out of the market. Not tracking down every single root user and trying to terminate them for tethering... not every user runs their Xbox live off of Verizon's network
I don't even know how to use tethering. I missed out lol
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iNfAMOUS702
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THIS IS ALL APPLES FAULT 
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IDK HOW BUT IT IS!!! dancedroid dancedroid dancedroid dancedroidI don't think anyone is freaking out. Most of us knew this was coming so this is not a shock or any kind of suprise. The writing was on the wall.
In regards to doing anything about it, its too late : ) that train has already left the station. The next step is to find us a good trumpet player to play Taps.
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I do think that it is stupid to charge for tethering when you already pay for an unlimited data plan. That said, if some persont is using his 4G/LTE phone to provide his home with broadband internet because he doesn't want to pay for a cable modem or DSL, then they are creating a problem for the rest of us.
I would think that unless VZW wants a bunch of court cases, which will cost them far more then 1% of people rooting and tethering will ever cost, they should come up with a better solution.
Like something built into the kernel, that if it sees you trying to root, pops up a window telling you that if you proceed, your warranty will be voided and that by clicking "proceed", you are agreeing to forfeit your devices warranty. If you click proceed, then the device sends an email to VZW that puts your device on the "do not warranty" list.
I think that they should allow basic tethering and not calling it "stealing" if it is not being abused. They call it stealing because they charge for it. But I don't think that they should charge for it. Using their logic, if they wanted to charge you for pressing the Home key and you found a way around it, would you be stealing, simply because they want to charge for it?
Now, if you tether a lot, then they can make the claim that you are ABUSING the feature, and either charge you for it or throttle it.
But for people that root because they believe in open source, and they want to optimize their memory, change icons and set the phone up how they want, I think it is complete BS to kick people off and terminate their contracts.
Void the warranty? Yes.
Throttle people who go over a certain GB limit and are clearly abusing it, or only charge if you want to go over that limit? Fine.
The allure of Android was like that of Linux... Freedom. The ability to create, change and control your device and make it your own. If they take that away, when does that leave? An iPhone with less apps and more prone to malware?
No thanks. At that point it makes sense to go back to an iPhone.
I would think that unless VZW wants a bunch of court cases, which will cost them far more then 1% of people rooting and tethering will ever cost, they should come up with a better solution.
Like something built into the kernel, that if it sees you trying to root, pops up a window telling you that if you proceed, your warranty will be voided and that by clicking "proceed", you are agreeing to forfeit your devices warranty. If you click proceed, then the device sends an email to VZW that puts your device on the "do not warranty" list.
I think that they should allow basic tethering and not calling it "stealing" if it is not being abused. They call it stealing because they charge for it. But I don't think that they should charge for it. Using their logic, if they wanted to charge you for pressing the Home key and you found a way around it, would you be stealing, simply because they want to charge for it?
Now, if you tether a lot, then they can make the claim that you are ABUSING the feature, and either charge you for it or throttle it.
But for people that root because they believe in open source, and they want to optimize their memory, change icons and set the phone up how they want, I think it is complete BS to kick people off and terminate their contracts.
Void the warranty? Yes.
Throttle people who go over a certain GB limit and are clearly abusing it, or only charge if you want to go over that limit? Fine.
The allure of Android was like that of Linux... Freedom. The ability to create, change and control your device and make it your own. If they take that away, when does that leave? An iPhone with less apps and more prone to malware?
No thanks. At that point it makes sense to go back to an iPhone.
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