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P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers
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You pretty much summed up what I was trying to say above in several sentences.
kptphalkon
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Free tethering is a subject that is being focused on way too much in this thread. You also have to think about the amount of people who make warranty claims after soft bricking and not figuring out how to fix the phone, or who have fully screwed the device themselves. This has been talked about, and we know it costs the carrier and manufacturer quite a bit of money to handle an insurance/warranty claim. Also the fact that rooting is exploitable, and the basis of the slew of malicious apps that came about were not because of rooted users, but because root exploits leave any user open to attack. The harder they lock down rooting, the less of a chance that malware will spread like a plague.
Yes rooting was deemed legal, could someone with the knowledge on this tell us if that means carriers/manufacturers have to honor it? Does rooting break the warranty, can they legally throttle/cut off/cancel your service if you are, and most importantly is it legal for them to make rooting impossible? These are a few questions which I believe most of us need answers to.
Yes rooting was deemed legal, could someone with the knowledge on this tell us if that means carriers/manufacturers have to honor it? Does rooting break the warranty, can they legally throttle/cut off/cancel your service if you are, and most importantly is it legal for them to make rooting impossible? These are a few questions which I believe most of us need answers to.
plutonium0587
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Ok its so simple. Just cap data for the highest users who don't pay for a tethering account. If someone is tethering a lot and hogging the network without paying for tethering, it will reflect on their data usage. For those of us who are light to moderate users we will be ok, for those others they will be capped or pay the extra fee. I don't feel I should be punished for rooting my phone. I rooted to increase battery life and remove some things that were hurting it. I know where they are coming from on this but punish the right people, not the whole community. I also don't see the point in voiding the warranty on hardware for software changes. If you brick your phone you should not get warranty service but if my screen goes out I should regardless. Only thing I could see really affecting hardware is overclocking which could damage some stuff.
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andylulzyou
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I'm all for the warranty denial for soft-bricks but honestly these phones have a lot of hardware problems that aren't related to rooting.
I agree and the biggest challenge for Verizon is to find out the cause of brick. whether from rooting or hardware problems. That's why Verizon will deny Warranty for any rooted device. Therefore whoever wants to root has to think twice now
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andylulzyou
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They should just offer a rooted insurance package.
Bingo!
if I tether and still only use 1GB a month between my laptop and phone combined, how is that "worse" than you using 6GB a month with just your phone?
How am I using 1/6th the bandwidth that you are, and I am "stealing" while you are not?
That is why their argument holds no water. It is not stealing except by the very narrow definition that they created. If they decided to start charging for using the letter "Q" while typing, and you rooted to get around it, would you be stealing?
Verizon would say yes, while any primate with an IQ in excess of 65 would say no.
Just because they want revenue for something, doesn't make you a criminal. Common sense has to have a say in there, somewhere.
If people are using it and as a result are using too much bandwidth, then cap them, or charge them.
Saying that my tethering is stealing bandwidth, when I am way UNDER the typical data usage for the unlimited plan, is retarded. That's some marketing asshat trying to bolster his stock price by "printing money".
It is like my bank and overdraft fees. I told them I do not want overdraft protection. If there are not enough funds for the charge, decline it.
So when I switched bank accounts I let that account run down. I made sure I switched all my "auto pay" bills to the new account. But one or two slipped through and charged my old account. The bank paid them, each were under $15.
So they then charged me $35 for each one. So now I have $70 in overdraft fees for $19 in charges that were not supposed to go to that account anyway. So when I talked to them and said to "DENY ANY CHARGE IF THERE IS NOT MONEY TO COVER IT", their response was that they would still charge me $35 to decline a charge. I asked them to clarify, that this was not like writing a check and it bounced. This is a debit transaction. if there are not enough funds, it should be declined, just like a credit card. Their response is that they would charge me $35 to basically tell me that there are not enough funds, which of course makes no sense and makes even less funds available and round and round it goes.
It's an EFT transfer, there is no overhead, there is no cost on their side to decline a charge. It's just another BS way to print money and screw their customers.
if I use less than my unlimited data plan provides, it shouldn't matter if it is on my phone or an iPad or 63 laptops. I am still using less than my share of the data.
That's how I see this tethering and rooting issue. If you are not abusing it and soaking up more than "your share" of unlimited data, then I don't think that they should harass you.
Just because they are greedy, doesn't make you a criminal.
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You're right... I haven't found anything yet, but that did pass. What I don't know is if that was more specific to DRM limitations or not... not that it should matter.
But again, that all started with DRM stuff... the carriers could claim their data is being stolen in this scenario, so this could be a whole new can of worms in response to that allowance.
Sorry for the multi-posting...!
kptphalkon
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I have a speculative rumor to add to this discussion. P3droid mentioned that one of the things carriers have worked to adopt is throttling rooted users, and that the collaborative effort to detect rooted users has been worked on since before the summer.
When i first got my phone my 3G speeds were already what I consider on the bad side, averaging .7 mbps down and .9 up. Now since the end of january (when I rooted my phone) I have watched my 3G speeds get progressively worse. At first I attributed this to possibly more customers loading down the network, but as of now literally wherever I go and what time of day I cannot get a speedtest result higher than 256 kbps down, and 600 up.
Any thoughts, or shared experience?
When i first got my phone my 3G speeds were already what I consider on the bad side, averaging .7 mbps down and .9 up. Now since the end of january (when I rooted my phone) I have watched my 3G speeds get progressively worse. At first I attributed this to possibly more customers loading down the network, but as of now literally wherever I go and what time of day I cannot get a speedtest result higher than 256 kbps down, and 600 up.
Any thoughts, or shared experience?
dfuser312553
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This should have been done on April 1st.
Yep, it's 2 days late?! All these people getting worked up and going back to stock... Lulz.
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