Possible Ways to Crack the Bootloader

[Techno Droid]

i got my fingers crossed.:icon_ banana:

 

[kptphalkon]

What about the recent stint where moto has shut down team get r done and team defuse's (i believe thats fission's team name) websites for 'copyright violations'.

They arent just shutting down our ability to mod our devices, they are attacking the development teams straight out. I think this is a pretty clear signal that Moto Mobile does not care about the dev/mod/hacker community at all.

I regret buying this phone, and may very well never buy another motorola product as long as i live.

 

[andylulzyou]

The app is the wat to go. Its like we are petitioning them to release the keys and they can't pull it from the market if we are petitioning its our right.

Sent from my DROIDX

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I am still going to build the @home hash collider, I still think that would be epic if we had thosands of people running that... but politics may prove to be more powerful than hackery in this case.

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Make it so that the user can fill in a comment box.. it shouldn't be considered spam if we are simply protesting with our own words.

 

[WugFresh]

@andyluzyou
I agree, I definitely am going to allow users to add their own comments to the message.

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[aliasxerog]

What about the recent stint where moto has shut down team get r done and team defuse's (i believe thats fission's team name) websites for 'copyright violations'.

Thankfully they can't shut us down, unless they want to get the Linux Foundation in on this. If they send me a C&D/DMCA Violation/Copyright Infringment anything, I can happily tell them to shove it. I doubt they're stupid enough to pull a SCO (hopefully).

 

[13th angel]

What about the recent stint where moto has shut down team get r done and team defuse's (i believe thats fission's team name) websites for 'copyright violations'.

Thankfully they can't shut us down, unless they want to get the Linux Foundation in on this. If they send me a C&D/DMCA Violation/Copyright Infringment anything, I can happily tell them to shove it. I doubt they're stupid enough to pull a SCO (hopefully).

I would love to see that one. Only thing they could go for is the "Moto" in the name as far as i know. Kinda wish they do try just to have something to fight back with. We can't really do anything about them shutting us down with GRD other than change stuff...... Don't understand why they picked us and Defuse when theres others they could easily have gone after also.

 

[KHeeney5]

Alright, so what's the plan guys?

 

[WugFresh]

Please don't keep this movement localized to the tech forums. This needs to be taken to the next level. I am asking for people to volunteer a little time and become ghost writers. Flood the blog sites with blurbs about motorola and the locked bootloaders and this petition. Make sure to say the words "Motorola, Locked, Bootloader, FreeMyMoto Movement" as many times as possible. Hit up all the blogs. This is for SEO. Link to the petition in every blog post. I am going to start a facebook page soon, and will provide information on that. I told you this would require more than me if you wanted it to happen, we need ghost writers. The more times you say those words the better. Thank you. I will give you a status update on the app in two days. Take the movement all over the internet. Don't be a spammer, try and write logical posts, but the more the better. Also whenever you use the words "Unlock the bootloader" make that a link to the petition.

Stay tuned for more info.
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[Brennan_Huber]

Ill be working on it! Goodluck to you

Sent from my DROIDX

 

[teh_g]

Here is my adventure with the Verizon CEO and executive customer support: http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-x-roms/136707-email-vzw-ceo.html#post1412383

 

[DJxPanda]

Here is my adventure with the Verizon CEO and executive customer support: http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-x-roms/136707-email-vzw-ceo.html#post1412383

Thats actually pretty cool. And I do agree that a class action law suit would be a legit way of going about it. Id be in to be apart of that should it take place. if im not mistaken, ths courts have alrdy determined that its illegal to make hardware "locked" so that rooting and modding is not possible. So.. Isnt this violating that?

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[Snow02]

Skull One wrote a well-articulated answer to that in the other thread you posted the same question.

 

[tcayton49]

I think all this talk of lawsuits is pretty silly. Actually, I think most of the complaints about locked bootloaders is pretty ridiculous. How about the people who are writing to carriers and phone manufacturers offer more than just "please unlock the bootloader" or "we're gonna sue" how about offering them reasons to do so, or solutions to whatever problems are causing them to want to lock the bootloaders.
I think two of the bigest reasons they are locking down phones have been mentioned. One is because of all the free tethering people are doing, and 2 is because of the phones they are getting back because people screw up when rooting their phones. I mean just look at all the posts on this forum where people are asking for help because they bricked their phones. Now imagine how many aren't even coming to the forum but are just sending phones back to the manufacturers. Maybe if someone were to suggest that instead of locking down the phone, they use, I guess we could call it, a reverse key, where it is unlocked, but as soon as the phone is rooted it generates a key that lets the manufacturer know its been rooted. Make it so that key can't be changed. If they get the phone back and see its been rooted, then they just tell the phone owner that they are out of luck. I'm not technical enough to know how to make something like this work, but i'm sure there are people who are smart enough to do it. But my point is, if we want things to change we have to start thinking from the other side's point of view and offer them reasons to make changes. Unfortunately the community isn't large enough for a flat out threat to work, so how about trying to work with them. After all, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Even though I don't really want any flies around.

 

[teh_g]

I think all this talk of lawsuits is pretty silly. Actually, I think most of the complaints about locked bootloaders is pretty ridiculous. How about the people who are writing to carriers and phone manufacturers offer more than just "please unlock the bootloader" or "we're gonna sue" how about offering them reasons to do so, or solutions to whatever problems are causing them to want to lock the bootloaders.
I think two of the bigest reasons they are locking down phones have been mentioned. One is because of all the free tethering people are doing, and 2 is because of the phones they are getting back because people screw up when rooting their phones. I mean just look at all the posts on this forum where people are asking for help because they bricked their phones. Now imagine how many aren't even coming to the forum but are just sending phones back to the manufacturers. Maybe if someone were to suggest that instead of locking down the phone, they use, I guess we could call it, a reverse key, where it is unlocked, but as soon as the phone is rooted it generates a key that lets the manufacturer know its been rooted. Make it so that key can't be changed. If they get the phone back and see its been rooted, then they just tell the phone owner that they are out of luck. I'm not technical enough to know how to make something like this work, but i'm sure there are people who are smart enough to do it. But my point is, if we want things to change we have to start thinking from the other side's point of view and offer them reasons to make changes. Unfortunately the community isn't large enough for a flat out threat to work, so how about trying to work with them. After all, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Even though I don't really want any flies around.

I have been explaining to the Verizon guy I have been talking to why it should be unlocked.

 

[Chloenaiter]

I think all this talk of lawsuits is pretty silly. Actually, I think most of the complaints about locked bootloaders is pretty ridiculous. How about the people who are writing to carriers and phone manufacturers offer more than just "please unlock the bootloader" or "we're gonna sue" how about offering them reasons to do so, or solutions to whatever problems are causing them to want to lock the bootloaders.
I think two of the bigest reasons they are locking down phones have been mentioned. One is because of all the free tethering people are doing, and 2 is because of the phones they are getting back because people screw up when rooting their phones. I mean just look at all the posts on this forum where people are asking for help because they bricked their phones. Now imagine how many aren't even coming to the forum but are just sending phones back to the manufacturers. Maybe if someone were to suggest that instead of locking down the phone, they use, I guess we could call it, a reverse key, where it is unlocked, but as soon as the phone is rooted it generates a key that lets the manufacturer know its been rooted. Make it so that key can't be changed. If they get the phone back and see its been rooted, then they just tell the phone owner that they are out of luck. I'm not technical enough to know how to make something like this work, but i'm sure there are people who are smart enough to do it. But my point is, if we want things to change we have to start thinking from the other side's point of view and offer them reasons to make changes. Unfortunately the community isn't large enough for a flat out threat to work, so how about trying to work with them. After all, you get more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. Even though I don't really want any flies around.

+1 This is actually what I was thinking they should do but they probably won't anyways cause it is probably safer for them to just lock the bootloader :/