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haha i commented on the thread with that poll already

1) you can vote multiple times and for multiple options, so that poll really doesn't mean much

2) even if it was unique votes (which it's not), to get even 10% of D1 users alone, you'd need over 100,000 votes...so 16,000 is not anything that will cause any company to change their ways. that's probably less than half of half of their base...

its going to be hard to convince a company to completely change their strategy, especially if it's to please such an irrelevant amount of users...but good effort lol

i think what this poll actually shows is that there just isnt that many people who care about unlocked bootloaders and not the other way around...

I actually strongly disagree. That poll is great for us because a group of hackers didn't put together the webpage, Moto did! That is genuine Motorola FB page and the most predominately displayed topic is the bootloader issue. It was at 10,000 like two days ago, it has been increasing at a near exponential rate. Futhermore, the topic has now been published on numerous noteworthy and reputable media sites so moto will really have to think twice before pulling the page.

The actual number of votes is only going to keep increasing, but that is actually the least relevant components to that webpage.

Moto effectively did everything I could have ever wished for regarding the initial goals I set out for the petition; that being, to use the petition for the purpose of gaining media exposure, and ultimately to utilize that media exposure to go after Moto's brand image.

Brand recognition and positive association account for one of the most value assets a company can have. Marketing is centralized around this topic; every single thing that a company distributes to the public is all tied back to the brand. That's what consistent imagery and marketing tactics are all about.

Brand recognition and positive association are something companies work extremely hard at and can be equated to billions of dollars in value.

Having a Moto run webstie where the only thing that is being discussed in unlocking the bootloader, instantly associates their brand with that issue. That FB is going to become extraordinarily detrimental to them and if I were on their marketing team I would have gotten that page pulled down a long time. But they can't now, the story is already getting exposure.

They did it for us! I can't believe it!

What I am trying to explain, is that 16K votes and predominately displayed text for "Unlocking the bootlader" all over a webpage made by Moto is 100 times more powerful then a third party site with four times the amounts of signatures. Moto shot themselves in the foot with this one, and if people are interested in helping the cause, I would strongly advise continuing to milk this for all its worth. The longer that sites up the more damage it does, and the more awareness it spreads.

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Lol. I think you need to learn how to look at things objectively,man. You will see that that fb page has no effect whatsoever on motos strategy moving forward. To me it just looks like someone defacing a poll for their own reasons then actually caring about an issue.

Motos not thinking "omg what do we do now???"...they're thinking "wow what a waste of an fb poll".

They asked what app people want and a bunch of obnoxious people defaced the poll. That's not going to make them give in. As for it growing exponentially, like I said you can vote multiple times for multiple options over and over again. That 16000 is probably more like five or six thousand...most probably even less than that...please don't deny that people are not voting a crapload of times. And yes, moto know that that's what happening too...

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I disagree bro. I think its a huge step in the right direction. Moto cares about sales. And like I said, not only will an unlocked bootloader get then new customers, but keep current customer from switching to HTC. Cause everyone I know who switched to HTC from whatever Droid phone they had, they didn't do it cause they disliked their droids, or they thought he HTC phones were so much better, but simply Because they wanted an unlocked bootloader for more Modding freedom. Which is the only reason I've thought about switching. I love my Droid x to death. Best phone I ever owned. Its an amazing device. But that unlocked bootloader on the HTC TB is really really tempting. But I decided not to cause I'm keeping the faith that moto will listen to us and I would be a hypocrite if I switched phones. My point is, FB and the petition and other things the Droid community is trying, is making a difference. Were even making the news with it. So we gotta just keep trying and bugging them and not give up. Cause not trying is definitely not gonna get us anywhere and if we stop now, then moto will just think that we don't care about having an unlocked bootloader and completely not pay attention. Oh and the FB page is an official moto created page. It was not changed by anyone like you suggested. Moto themselves put the unlocked bootloader choice, in the poll....

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I actually strongly disagree. That poll is great for us because a group of hackers didn't put together the webpage, Moto did! That is genuine Motorola FB page and the most predominately displayed topic is the bootloader issue. It was at 10,000 like two days ago, it has been increasing at a near exponential rate. Futhermore, the topic has now been published on numerous noteworthy and reputable media sites so moto will really have to think twice before pulling the page.

The actual number of votes is only going to keep increasing, but that is actually the least relevant components to that webpage.

Moto effectively did everything I could have ever wished for regarding the initial goals I set out for the petition; that being, to use the petition for the purpose of gaining media exposure, and ultimately to utilize that media exposure to go after Moto's brand image.

Brand recognition and positive association account for one of the most value assets a company can have. Marketing is centralized around this topic; every single thing that a company distributes to the public is all tied back to the brand. That's what consistent imagery and marketing tactics are all about.

Brand recognition and positive association are something companies work extremely hard at and can be equated to billions of dollars in value.

Having a Moto run webstie where the only thing that is being discussed in unlocking the bootloader, instantly associates their brand with that issue. That FB is going to become extraordinarily detrimental to them and if I were on their marketing team I would have gotten that page pulled down a long time. But they can't now, the story is already getting exposure.

They did it for us! I can't believe it!

What I am trying to explain, is that 16K votes and predominately displayed text for "Unlocking the bootlader" all over a webpage made by Moto is 100 times more powerful then a third party site with four times the amounts of signatures. Moto shot themselves in the foot with this one, and if people are interested in helping the cause, I would strongly advise continuing to milk this for all its worth. The longer that sites up the more damage it does, and the more awareness it spreads.

{{ WugFresh }}

Lol. I think you need to learn how to look at things objectively,man. You will see that that fb page has no effect whatsoever on motos strategy moving forward. To me it just looks like someone defacing a poll for their own reasons then actually caring about an issue.

Motos not thinking "omg what do we do now???"...they're thinking "wow what a waste of an fb poll".

They asked what app people want and a bunch of obnoxious people defaced the poll. That's not going to make them give in. As for it growing exponentially, like I said you can vote multiple times for multiple options over and over again. That 16000 is probably more like five or six thousand...most probably even less than that...please don't deny that people are not voting a crapload of times. And yes, moto know that that's what happening too...

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I disagree bro. I think its a huge step in the right direction. Moto cares about sales. And like I said, not only will an unlocked bootloader get then new customers, but keep current customer from switching to HTC. Cause everyone I know who switched to HTC from whatever Droid phone they had, they didn't do it cause they disliked their droids, or they thought he HTC phones were so much better, but simply Because they wanted an unlocked bootloader for more Modding freedom. Which is the only reason I've thought about switching. I love my Droid x to death. Best phone I ever owned. Its an amazing device. But that unlocked bootloader on the HTC TB is really really tempting. But I decided not to cause I'm keeping the faith that moto will listen to us and I would be a hypocrite if I switched phones. My point is, FB and the petition and other things the Droid community is trying, is making a difference. Were even making the news with it.

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Good points, but I guess it's pointless to debate the effectiveness till the next moto phone comes out. If it's locked and still sells great it'll prove that consumers don't care. Yes, engadget is a great source but does the average consumer check engadget before purchasing a phone or do the cool commercials get them? I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of sales come from marketing and not specs.

We'll see. I see the fb poll as an annoyance for moto more then a call to change...when the bionic comes out we'll know for sure...

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Lol. I think you need to learn how to look at things objectively,man. You will see that that fb page has no effect whatsoever on motos strategy moving forward. To me it just looks like someone defacing a poll for their own reasons then actually caring about an issue.

Motos not thinking "omg what do we do now???"...they're thinking "wow what a waste of an fb poll".

They asked what app people want and a bunch of obnoxious people defaced the poll. That's not going to make them give in. As for it growing exponentially, like I said you can vote multiple times for multiple options over and over again. That 16000 is probably more like five or six thousand...most probably even less than that...please don't deny that people are not voting a crapload of times. And yes, moto know that that's what happening too...

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I disagree bro. I think its a huge step in the right direction. Moto cares about sales. And like I said, not only will an unlocked bootloader get then new customers, but keep current customer from switching to HTC. Cause everyone I know who switched to HTC from whatever Droid phone they had, they didn't do it cause they disliked their droids, or they thought he HTC phones were so much better, but simply Because they wanted an unlocked bootloader for more Modding freedom. Which is the only reason I've thought about switching. I love my Droid x to death. Best phone I ever owned. Its an amazing device. But that unlocked bootloader on the HTC TB is really really tempting. But I decided not to cause I'm keeping the faith that moto will listen to us and I would be a hypocrite if I switched phones. My point is, FB and the petition and other things the Droid community is trying, is making a difference. Were even making the news with it.

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Good points, but I guess it's pointless to debate the effectiveness till the next moto phone comes out. If it's locked and still sells great it'll prove that consumers don't care. Yes, engadget is a great source but does the average consumer check engadget before purchasing a phone or do the cool commercials get them? I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of sales come from marketing and not specs.

We'll see. I see the fb poll as an annoyance for moto more then a call to change...when the bionic comes out we'll know for sure...

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Well it may take longer then between now and the time the Bionic (whether its the Etna or the Targa) to tell, but I believe in postivie thinking and I really do think this will work. And moto is the one that started the poll and so I don't think it's that much of an annoyance. But its all a matter of opinion ya kno. And while I do think you're correct that the ads are what gets most of the general consumers, it is the specs that get most of us, the techie people, and from some threads and statistics I've read (not saying they are 100% accurate or anything) people like us are the most common people that buy android phones. And pretty much everyone I know that owns an android are people like us who are into computers and Modding and what not. Most of the people I know who aren't into that stuff and don't care about Modding or themeing or custom roms, all own iPhones lol cause the iPhone is easy for anyone to use. But to get the most out of your android, you gotta know a thing or two. Well except my parents lol. I just convinced them to get Droids, my mom got the Droid X, but I traded her my D2G for her new Droid X, cause she wanted the pull down keyboard. And my step dad got the Droid X. And seriously everyday they call me to either ask me questions on how to do this and that or they try to convince me to come over just to show them how to do stuff on it lol. And my mom got an iPod touch last Christmas and she figured it out on her own, cause its simple but like I said, she asks me stuff about her D2G almost everyday.
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I disagree bro. I think its a huge step in the right direction. Moto cares about sales. And like I said, not only will an unlocked bootloader get then new customers, but keep current customer from switching to HTC. Cause everyone I know who switched to HTC from whatever Droid phone they had, they didn't do it cause they disliked their droids, or they thought he HTC phones were so much better, but simply Because they wanted an unlocked bootloader for more Modding freedom. Which is the only reason I've thought about switching. I love my Droid x to death. Best phone I ever owned. Its an amazing device. But that unlocked bootloader on the HTC TB is really really tempting. But I decided not to cause I'm keeping the faith that moto will listen to us and I would be a hypocrite if I switched phones. My point is, FB and the petition and other things the Droid community is trying, is making a difference. Were even making the news with it.

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Good points, but I guess it's pointless to debate the effectiveness till the next moto phone comes out. If it's locked and still sells great it'll prove that consumers don't care. Yes, engadget is a great source but does the average consumer check engadget before purchasing a phone or do the cool commercials get them? I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of sales come from marketing and not specs.

We'll see. I see the fb poll as an annoyance for moto more then a call to change...when the bionic comes out we'll know for sure...

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Well it may take longer then between now and the time the Bionic (whether its the Etna or the Targa) to tell, but I believe in postivie thinking and I really do think this will work. And moto is the one that started the poll and so I don't think it's that much of an annoyance. But its all a matter of opinion ya kno. And while I do think you're correct that the ads are what gets most of the general consumers, it is the specs that get most of us, the techie people, and from some threads and statistics I've read (not saying they are 100% accurate or anything) people like us are the most common people that buy android phones. And pretty much everyone I know that owns an android are people like us who are into computers and Modding and what not. Most of the people I know who aren't into that stuff and don't care about Modding or themeing or custom roms, all own iPhones lol cause the iPhone is easy for anyone to use. But to get the most out of your android, you gotta know a thing or two. Well except my parents lol. I just convinced them to get Droids, my mom got the Droid X, but I traded her my D2G for her new Droid X, cause she wanted the pull down keyboard. And my step dad got the Droid X. And seriously everyday they call me to either ask me questions on how to do this and that or they try to convince me to come over just to show them how to do stuff on it lol. And my mom got an iPod touch last Christmas and she figured it out on her own, cause its simple but like I said, she asks me stuff about her D2G almost everyday.
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Now, now, there's no proof whatsoever that anyone who buys an an
droid is more techie then people who buy an iPhone...how would anyone even survey something like that?

that's like the fanboys who say iphone people are dumb, and android users are smarter...i don't buy that..
 
Good points, but I guess it's pointless to debate the effectiveness till the next moto phone comes out. If it's locked and still sells great it'll prove that consumers don't care. Yes, engadget is a great source but does the average consumer check engadget before purchasing a phone or do the cool commercials get them? I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of sales come from marketing and not specs.

We'll see. I see the fb poll as an annoyance for moto more then a call to change...when the bionic comes out we'll know for sure...

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Well it may take longer then between now and the time the Bionic (whether its the Etna or the Targa) to tell, but I believe in postivie thinking and I really do think this will work. And moto is the one that started the poll and so I don't think it's that much of an annoyance. But its all a matter of opinion ya kno. And while I do think you're correct that the ads are what gets most of the general consumers, it is the specs that get most of us, the techie people, and from some threads and statistics I've read (not saying they are 100% accurate or anything) people like us are the most common people that buy android phones. And pretty much everyone I know that owns an android are people like us who are into computers and Modding and what not. Most of the people I know who aren't into that stuff and don't care about Modding or themeing or custom roms, all own iPhones lol cause the iPhone is easy for anyone to use. But to get the most out of your android, you gotta know a thing or two. Well except my parents lol. I just convinced them to get Droids, my mom got the Droid X, but I traded her my D2G for her new Droid X, cause she wanted the pull down keyboard. And my step dad got the Droid X. And seriously everyday they call me to either ask me questions on how to do this and that or they try to convince me to come over just to show them how to do stuff on it lol. And my mom got an iPod touch last Christmas and she figured it out on her own, cause its simple but like I said, she asks me stuff about her D2G almost everyday.
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Now, now, there's no proof whatsoever that anyone who buys an an
droid is more techie then people who buy an iPhone...how would anyone even survey something like that?

that's like the fanboys who say iphone people are dumb, and android users are smarter...i don't buy that..

I get what your saying. It was just some statistic I've read. And from personal experience, I know a lot of people who own both brands and its 90% of my tech Savy friends who own a Droid. I didn't mean to say only dumb people own iPhones, nor did I mean to say the average user is dumb. And your right there is no way to make a valid statistic out of that. I just simply meant that to fully take advantage of what android phones offer, you have to have knoweledge of computers and applications and that it seems like most android users are people who are tech savy. I'm sorry for how that came out. My bad bro

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No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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I have never posted here before, but I have been reading the debate, and would just like to add in favor of the petition that it sounds like google may step into the free my android water. My Droid World, posted a story about how google is becoming a little weary of the cell phone companies ruining the android reputation. The article talked about the comparisons of Android to Apple and how a lot of people have switched to android for the freedom. Android is not tied to a computer program for everything, but if moto or other phone providing companies had a full say, we probably would be. I am taking about crappy Itunes. I have high hopes and hope google will uphold the reputation and tells moto and all other phone companies to stick it and give the people of android what they deserve, THEIR CELLPHONES!!
 
No need to apologize man. I was just stating that stats like that are inherently skewed...

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I have never posted here before, but I have been reading the debate, and would just like to add in favor of the petition that it sounds like google may step into the free my android water. My Droid World, posted a story about how google is becoming a little weary of the cell phone companies ruining the android reputation. The article talked about the comparisons of Android to Apple and how a lot of people have switched to android for the freedom. Android is not tied to a computer program for everything, but if moto or other phone providing companies had a full say, we probably would be. I am taking about crappy Itunes. I have high hopes and hope google will uphold the reputation and tells moto and all other phone companies to stick it and give the people of android what they deserve, THEIR CELLPHONES!!

I want to comment on this. Now I admit, I didn't read this MDW article, nor do I plan to because I already know it's just the ramblings of someone who thinks they know what Google wants. I trust the official source always, and not some guy on a droid-centric website just ranting about stuff.

First, Google knows and encourages what the manufacturers are doing. I'll never understand why people think Google is backed into a corner, shivering and scared going "what do we do now??? these OEMs are outta control!!! They're destroying the android reputation!!!!"...that is not the case, at all. Google is fine with what the manufacturers are doing, and the manufacturers cant just put out a device that violates the Android license and Google just sits there going "oh well, that sucks, we can't do anything...:("

Here is an official source: Android Developers Blog: I think I’m having a Gene Amdahl moment (http://goo.gl/7v4kf) That's the VP of engineering for Google posting that btw, pretty sure he's a better indication of what Google thinks then some guy named scrub on a site called mydroidworld.com. A quote from Rubin's blog post: "Our approach remains unchanged: there are no lock-downs or restrictions against customizing UIs. There are not, and never have been, any efforts to standardize the platform on any single chipset architecture." In other words, OEMs can do whatever they want to the software, provided they meet the basic guidelines, which everyone does and which Google has to approve.

He clearly states that he has no issue with what the manufacturers are doing, and also that all manufacturers must adhere to certain guidelines. As long as they do that, they are free to do whatever they want, however they want to the OS and to their device (including locking bootloaders to protect their changes to the source).

I know that you're just passing on what you read, man, but seriously, the misinformation has to stop. Google is not in some precarious situation where they're trying their best to deliver the ultimate android experience and they are fighting for the user's rights and the OEMs are laughing in their face.

It's ridiculous that people think that Google is some kind of superhero avenger company that only cares about its customers and is too scared to stop these evil OEMs from destroying the Android OS.

People need to stop using MDW, Android-central, DF and other droid-centric sites as their soapbox for how they think Google feels and then pass it along as fact to everyone else. It just makes the sites look foolish when they print or allow such things to be posted. I understand that there shouldn't be censoring of posts, but a little research goes a long way. Google is not some victim here, who just wanted to make people happy and let them skip holding hands through a meadow, when suddenly Motorola or HTC or Samsung came out of nowhere and just destroyed open source or something...

The hero worship extends beyond just the devs and also to Google as some infallible, philanthropic company who would do anything to convince these horrific manufacturers to uphold the Android credo, but have failed so far.

Reality check: Google is fine with the state of android, and is not going to force OEMs to change anything, nor have they lost control, nor are they in some bind where they don't know what to do because the OEMs won't listen to them and just knowingly violate the android license. The truth is while Google is a great company, at the end of the day they are just that: a company. And their goal is money, and they're making plenty of it with Android. The execs are not sitting in their boardrooms huddled together and rocking back and forth crying about the state of android...
 
I don't know if its possible to change wut this thing can do but its pretty bad ass. Whitepixel breaks 28.6 billion password/sec - Zorinaq

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That is pretty awesome, but here's the reality of what would happen even if you were able to change what that thing could do:

Coding Horror: Brute Force Key Attacks Are for Dummies

Remember...hackers don't try to go after keys. They're smarter then that. The fact that some devs here actually think trying to crack the key is a viable solution, pretty much confirms what I've been saying all along and that is that these basement devs are NOT going to be the ones to do it...lol

And cheap plug for a blog post I wrote many moons ago, but it puts it into perspective: Bootloader
 
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You make very valid points, in which, I support a lot of them. I read the source you provided and although what you have posted does make a lot of sense, I understood it more towards consumers. I think he is talking more towards manufacturers can add their bloat and such as they like, but he mentions both consumers and developers close to your reference.

I do not know how to code or theme. I for one am happy with what we have available, because the DROID x has been my first android phone. Locked or unlocked I like it.
I was just trying to ease the tension a little because the forums have become such a gloom place lately.
 
You make very valid points, in which, I support a lot of them. I read the source you provided and although what you have posted does make a lot of sense, I understood it more towards consumers. I think he is talking more towards manufacturers can add their bloat and such as they like, but he mentions both consumers and developers close to your reference.

I do not know how to code or theme. I for one am happy with what we have available, because the DROID x has been my first android phone. Locked or unlocked I like it.
I was just trying to ease the tension a little because the forums have become such a gloom place lately.

I guess I was just responding to you saying that google is weary about OEMs ruining the android reputation. That's just not the case. As long as the manufacturer adheres to the basic guidelines, they are free to customize the OS anyway they want. Nothing against you, of course! dancedroid
 
Again, my response was based off of how I comprehended your reference to the situation.
I am in no way bias, and that is partially why I have not posted to this forum before this. I am good with whatever happens because as sure as it will rain, I am going to get a new device sooner or later.
 
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