Rooted 2.2 - Battery issues, lots of apps running

[robyr]

I can't help one that will not even attempt to help themselves. Like I said, I don't believe even for a second you have any sort of meaningful technical background at all. Especially after you don't even get core concepts of how memory management even works.

POP QUIZ: If an application starts, and does nothing, does it use CPU time? This quiz will be in essay form.

 

[deggdegg]

I can't help one that will not even attempt to help themselves. Like I said, I don't believe even for a second you have any sort of meaningful technical background at all. Especially after you don't even get core concepts of how memory management even works.

POP QUIZ: If an application starts, and does nothing, does it use CPU time? This quiz will be in essay form.

I admit, technical details of RAM and such are a bit hazy, as I really only worried about them during the classes. Don't really consider such things in day-to-day work.

And again, I don't care if an app started and isn't using CPU time. I care that it started at all, and that I have to use a third-party app to prevent this.

 

[robyr]

I can't help one that will not even attempt to help themselves. Like I said, I don't believe even for a second you have any sort of meaningful technical background at all. Especially after you don't even get core concepts of how memory management even works.

POP QUIZ: If an application starts, and does nothing, does it use CPU time? This quiz will be in essay form.

I admit, technical details of RAM and such are a bit hazy, as I really only worried about them during the classes. Don't really consider such things in day-to-day work.

And again, I don't care if an app started and isn't using CPU time. I care that it started at all, and that I have to use a third-party app to prevent this.

So basically, what you are saying is that you absolutely don't write efficient applications, but you somehow think that because an app is paged into inactive RAM space you are being penalized on performance. Your position flies in the face of all logic, and you are still going to continue on with this flawed logic, and not even entertain information from the OS developer themselves nor informed users that are also developers and *do* understand the technical details of memory and process management. I see.

You know what I hate, I hate when I boot a windows load and explorer.exe and svchost.exe start automatically. I'm not even USING explorer or a service, I'll just kill it from now on.

 

[wingdo]

So it takes zero CPU cycles or RAM to start up things I don't use. Gotcha.

Dear god man, if you don't use the apps, uninstall the bloody things.

You really should read the thread linked by jntowers as that is straight from the mouths of the Android Development Team.

I am sorry, I do understand that you know more about Android memory management than the actual OS developers, but perhaps you could humor them and try to run the system as it was designed. Either that or continue to use your system instead, but stop complaining that it won't do what you expect it to do. :icon_eek:

 

[jntdroid]

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/dr...ry-issues-lots-apps-running-2.html#post775377

 

[deggdegg]

So it takes zero CPU cycles or RAM to start up things I don't use. Gotcha.

Dear god man, if you don't use the apps, uninstall the bloody things.

You really should read the thread linked by jntowers as that is straight from the mouths of the Android Development Team.

I am sorry, I do understand that you know more about Android memory management than the actual OS developers, but perhaps you could humor them and try to run the system as it was designed. Either that or continue to use your system instead, but stop complaining that it won't do what you expect it to do. :icon_eek:

Show me the option to uninstall HTC Stocks or News. I don't see it anywhere. It's really a non-issue now anyhow, Autorun Killer seems to have stopped them from starting up at all.

 

[deggdegg]

So basically, what you are saying is that you absolutely don't write efficient applications

No, I'm saying that in my day-to-day work, memory management is so obfuscated from what I do that I'm not as up to speed on the details than I was when I took the class.

 

[robyr]

So it takes zero CPU cycles or RAM to start up things I don't use. Gotcha.

Dear god man, if you don't use the apps, uninstall the bloody things.

You really should read the thread linked by jntowers as that is straight from the mouths of the Android Development Team.

I am sorry, I do understand that you know more about Android memory management than the actual OS developers, but perhaps you could humor them and try to run the system as it was designed. Either that or continue to use your system instead, but stop complaining that it won't do what you expect it to do. :icon_eek:

Show me the option to uninstall HTC Stocks or News. I don't see it anywhere. It's really a non-issue now anyhow, Autorun Killer seems to have stopped them from starting up at all.

 

[wingdo]

So it takes zero CPU cycles or RAM to start up things I don't use. Gotcha.

Dear god man, if you don't use the apps, uninstall the bloody things.

You really should read the thread linked by jntowers as that is straight from the mouths of the Android Development Team.

I am sorry, I do understand that you know more about Android memory management than the actual OS developers, but perhaps you could humor them and try to run the system as it was designed. Either that or continue to use your system instead, but stop complaining that it won't do what you expect it to do. :icon_eek:

Show me the option to uninstall HTC Stocks or News. I don't see it anywhere. It's really a non-issue now anyhow, Autorun Killer seems to have stopped them from starting up at all.

For anything which updates the notification bar (i.e. Facebook, stocks etc) be srue to turn OFF "notifications" in the settings menu for the specific app. For Facebook if notifications or syncing of the contacts list (under accounts) is enabled, the app will run because YOU TOLD IT TO. Why use a task killer when you can just set the app up properly. Facebook never runs on my D1, but I have notifications and contact syncing off.

Anything SenseUI related you're on your own, but if you never use the app, you can uninstall it using root explorer.

 

[jntdroid]

degg - would you mind taking a look at this and telling me what you think... I get where you're coming from, but this (from the Android OS devs) seems to contradict that line of thinking, so I'm just confused... i'm not a CS guy at all:

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-applications/65483-task-killers-answer-google-developers.html

 

[deggdegg]

For anything which updates the notification bar (i.e. Facebook, stocks etc) be srue to turn OFF "notifications" in the settings menu for the specific app. For Facebook if notifications or syncing of the contacts list (under accounts) is enabled, the app will run because YOU TOLD IT TO. Why use a task killer when you can just set the app up properly. Facebook never runs on my D1, but I have notifications and contact syncing off.

Anything SenseUI related you're on your own, but if you never use the app, you can uninstall it using root explorer.

Hey, look, it's actual advice I was looking for! Thanks!

I see what was the problem with Facebook. It's poor UI in the Settings screen... you can turn updates to "Never", but leaving Notifications on causes it to constantly start up. Seems to me that if it's never updating, there shouldn't be any notifications to give me

 

[deggdegg]

degg - would you mind taking a look at this and telling me what you think... I get where you're coming from, but this (from the Android OS devs) seems to contradict that line of thinking, so I'm just confused... i'm not a CS guy at all:

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-applications/65483-task-killers-answer-google-developers.html

My problem with it is this line:

The OS may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.

If it's going to do such things, it should be smart about it, or at least have somewhere for me to tell it "DON'T PRELOAD THIS".

 

[robyr]

degg - would you mind taking a look at this and telling me what you think... I get where you're coming from, but this (from the Android OS devs) seems to contradict that line of thinking, so I'm just confused... i'm not a CS guy at all:

http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-applications/65483-task-killers-answer-google-developers.html

My problem with it is this line:

The OS may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.

If it's going to do such things, it should be smart about it, or at least have somewhere for me to tell it "DON'T PRELOAD THIS".

It is smart about it dude. I explained exactly how this process works. All you have to do is read the numerous user testimonials to the fact of disabling task killers increases stability, battery life, and general phone performance.

 

[wingdo]

The OS may also preload applications into memory which it thinks might soon be needed.

If it's going to do such things, it should be smart about it, or at least have somewhere for me to tell it "DON'T PRELOAD THIS".

Honestly don't get caught up in this. Having the apps pre-load in no way does ANYTHING disruptive to the system. It uses no CPU processes, it uses no more battery (empty RAM takes the exact same amount of power to keep running as RAM with apps), and *if* you run low on RAM these apps will be the first to be killed by the OS.

Free RAM is wasted RAM, especially on a smartphone.

 

[deggdegg]

It is smart about it dude. I explained exactly how this process works. All you have to do is read the numerous user testimonials to the fact of disabling task killers increases stability, battery life, and general phone performance.

Seems like being smart would be going "hey, this app keeps getting closed/crashes (force close)... maybe I shouldn't restart it".