[RUMOR] Samsung to drop Android in favor of Tizen OS

[Preach2k]

I guess the Note 7 will be my last Samsung Phone.

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[mountainbikermark]

I guess the Note 7 will be my last Samsung Phone.

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To me it looks like this Note4 will be my last Samsung phone . Sealed battery is my reason .

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[mountainbikermark]

Yea? And? Java runs a bunch of stuff, too. You think anyone is going to buy a Java phone? Ohhh, let me buy a Tizen phone because my Keurig is Tizen.

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Ohhh let me buy that automobile because it had Android onboard. I gotta buy that SUV because it's AW compatible.
Why the angst because of possible other choice for an operating system ?

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[Preach2k]

To me it looks like this Note4 will be my last Samsung phone . Sealed battery is my reason .

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If the Battery is 4000MAh then I do not mind it being sealed. If battery does go bad I will get it replaced at Verizon. The deal breaker for me would be no Microsd.

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[Jonny Kansas]

Ohhh let me buy that automobile because it had Android onboard. I gotta buy that SUV because it's AW compatible.
Why the angst because of possible other choice for an operating system ?

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While I get your point, that actually would be a deal breaker for me under certain circumstances. If I was buying a car with smartphone compatibility and, for some reason, it only has iCar or whatever Apple's version is and no support for Android, I wouldn't buy the car. I'm not buying a car with features like that that I can't use and probably won't ever be able to use because of how locked in to the Android ecosystem I am.

Now, for those that don't care so much, sure. But for me, that's absolutely a consideration I would make.

 

[mountainbikermark]

While I get your point, that actually would be a deal breaker for me under certain circumstances. If I was buying a car with smartphone compatibility and, for some reason, it only has iCar or whatever Apple's version is and no support for Android, I wouldn't buy the car. I'm not buying a car with features like that that I can't use and probably won't ever be able to use because of how locked in to the Android ecosystem I am.

Now, for those that don't care so much, sure. But for me, that's absolutely a consideration I would make.

That's a scenario that could cause Tizen to fail if Samsung is looking for an Apple-like cult following. To again use Apple and Tizen but in the watch case ,there is a beta app that is an Apple compatible version of the Gear Manager and Samsung has broken its stranglehold on GM only working on Samsung devices. The aftermarket developer community will make or break Tizen just like it did with iOS , Android , and Microsoft phones. For it to succeed Samsung is going to have to have a solid backing of both independent developers and, as in the case of iOS and Android, mega corp developers. We grumble about Cheetah (as an example) buying up so many small developers because they add in useless garbage with every update but at the same time they are also keeping apps up to date that the small developers can't or won't update anymore.
It seemed like forever before there was a Twitter app for iOS but Apple still sold millions of units beforehand. I'm not sure if there's a Facebook app for iOS now but there wasn't one when I left iOS in 2012 when I gave away my iPad yet the iPad 2 had a large waiting list beyond its first run of devices at that point and folks waited in line for days to get the newest iPhone.
They might succeed. They might fail but I hope it's more than just a rumor because Android and iOS both need a kick in the pants.

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[Jonny Kansas]

I'm not sure if there's a Facebook app for iOS now but there wasn't one when I left iOS in 2012

Um...I picked up a friend's iPhone in like 2010 or so and she had a Facebook app. Not really sure what you're talking about there. They had a native Facebook app before we did.

I agree with you and I think you're proving at least part of Pere's point. It's gonna be about dev support. Sure, there are a FEW devs working on Tizen apps now, but nothing compared to what iOS and Android have. I'm with Pere that I think they're gonna have the same issue as Microsoft had trying to get devs to make Windows Phone apps. And there again, Windows is something the a majority of users have heard of. You mention Tizen (or even TouchWiz) to the "average user" and they'll look at you cross-eyed. More are getting to know about TouchWiz, but it's still not common knowledge that that's something Sammy added. If they make Tizen look like TouchWiz android, they might appease some of their current user base that doesn't know the difference...at first. Then it's gonna come down to apps and when people can't download the apps (however few) that they were using on their Android Sammy phone, they're not gonna be happy.

 

[PereDroid]

Ohhh let me buy that automobile because it had Android onboard. I gotta buy that SUV because it's AW compatible.
Why the angst because of possible other choice for an operating system ?

Angst? Huh? Have i used CAPS LOCK? Have I used or ? Hell, I think I've only even used one --> !!!
It's not angst. I'm not angry. I'm just having a discussion with mah friends.
If I had to pick something about how I feel over this thread it would be... hmmm... Astonishment! Astounded that the smart people I "hang out" with here on this forum think Samsung might actually DUMP Andy for T.
But it you want angst? Let's roll...

It bothers me that Jeffrey is some kind of Tizen fan boy. LOL
"You need to understand who and what Tizen is..."
No, I don't. I don't give a rats behind. Just like 98% of the world.
"Before you start preaching failure, take some time to understand Tizen.."
Failure! Failure! Preach, preach, preach!!

It works on a wide range of devices, including smartphones, (name one) tablets (name one), in-vehicle infotainment (IVI) devices (name one..and when did IVI become an abbreviation?), smart TVs (show me one), PCs (PC's? Huh? Do Apple or MS know there's a new player in PCs?), smart cameras (what's a smart camera?), wearable computing (such as SAMSUNG ONLY smartwatches), Blu-ray players (don't care, my PS3 is my Bluray and it doesn't run Tizen), printers (don't care) and smart home appliances (such as refrigerators (don't care), lighting (which lighting system?), washing machines,air conditioners (air conditioners?), ovens/microwaves (don't care) and a robotic vacuum cleaner (and again.... do not care, I'm sure there's an Android app that runs that Tizen robot...)). Its purpose is to offer a consistent user experience across devices. Tizen is a project within the Linux Foundation and is governed by a Technical Steering Group (TSG) composed of Samsung and Intel among others.

So Joe Consumer is at Best Buy and he's ALWAYS wanted to buy a new Smart washing machine... and Josie Salesgirl says "this one runs Tizen, so you can't use the Smart Features of it unless you have a Tizen phone..."
"Ok, what about that LG? Will it work with my Android?"
"Oh, sure!"
What do you think he's going to buy?

More from fanboi Jeffrey (love ya man)

"How can you compare MS [latecomer to the mobile market] to Samsung Mobile."
How can I not? I don't care who has been into MOBILE longer. Aren't these really PC's in our hands? Who's been doing THAT longer? That's not really even the point. MS was willing to lose money until it could compete in the mobile space. And I promise you they are able to do that longer then Sammy can. By just about ALL accounts those Lumia's were damn fine phones, too.
What's more attractive to you? To Joe Consumer? That your phone has a similar OS to the computer you use EVERY day? Or that you can use it with your GAMING CONSOLE? or that it runs the same OS as your robotic vacuum? or your dishwasher (that already has an Android/iOS app)?
Windows Mobile is down to less then 1% market share.
Windows Phone market share sinks below 1 percent
It's over. And Sammy would be foolish to DUMP Andy for T.

and finally...
MountainBikerM: "Ohhh let me buy that automobile because it had Android onboard. I gotta buy that SUV because it's AW compatible."

Sure. And there's no doubt that has moved some cars. But let's see the number of how many people switched car brands for that reason. I bet it's not very high. Or how many people decided to buy early because of that feature. Also betting that # is low. I know 1 person with Android Auto. (And she doesn't like it much). How many do you guys know? And sure, I bet a few SUV's were sold because they could be started with a watch. But let's face it... these are not big numbers. If it was TW or Tizen Auto and Sammy had a Tizen phone... you think that many folks will switch?

Yes, it's all rumor. It's not happening.
But fun to debate.

/drops the mic

 

[mountainbikermark]

Angst? Huh? Have i used CAPS LOCK? Have I used or ? Hell, I think I've only even used one --> !!!
It's not angst. I'm not angry. I'm just having a discussion with mah friends.
If I had to pick something about how I feel over this thread it would be... hmmm... Astonishment! Astounded that the smart people I "hang out" with here on this forum think Samsung might actually DUMP Andy for T.
But it you want angst? Let's roll...

It bothers me that Jeffrey is some kind of Tizen fan boy. LOL
"You need to understand who and what Tizen is..."
No, I don't. I don't give a rats behind. Just like 98% of the world.
"Before you start preaching failure, take some time to understand Tizen.."
Failure! Failure! Preach, preach, preach!!

It works on a wide range of devices, including smartphones, (name one) tablets (name one), in-vehicle infotainment (IVI) devices (name one..and when did IVI become an abbreviation?), smart TVs (show me one), PCs (PC's? Huh? Do Apple or MS know there's a new player in PCs?), smart cameras (what's a smart camera?), wearable computing (such as SAMSUNG ONLY smartwatches), Blu-ray players (don't care, my PS3 is my Bluray and it doesn't run Tizen), printers (don't care) and smart home appliances (such as refrigerators (don't care), lighting (which lighting system?), washing machines,air conditioners (air conditioners?), ovens/microwaves (don't care) and a robotic vacuum cleaner (and again.... do not care, I'm sure there's an Android app that runs that Tizen robot...)). Its purpose is to offer a consistent user experience across devices. Tizen is a project within the Linux Foundation and is governed by a Technical Steering Group (TSG) composed of Samsung and Intel among others.

So Joe Consumer is at Best Buy and he's ALWAYS wanted to buy a new Smart washing machine... and Josie Salesgirl says "this one runs Tizen, so you can't use the Smart Features of it unless you have a Tizen phone..."
"Ok, what about that LG? Will it work with my Android?"
"Oh, sure!"
What do you think he's going to buy?

More from fanboi Jeffrey (love ya man)

"How can you compare MS [latecomer to the mobile market] to Samsung Mobile."
How can I not? I don't care who has been into MOBILE longer. Aren't these really PC's in our hands? Who's been doing THAT longer? That's not really even the point. MS was willing to lose money until it could compete in the mobile space. And I promise you they are able to do that longer then Sammy can. By just about ALL accounts those Lumia's were damn fine phones, too.
What's more attractive to you? To Joe Consumer? That your phone has a similar OS to the computer you use EVERY day? Or that you can use it with your GAMING CONSOLE? or that it runs the same OS as your robotic vacuum? or your dishwasher (that already has an Android/iOS app)?
Windows Mobile is down to less then 1% market share.
Windows Phone market share sinks below 1 percent
It's over. And Sammy would be foolish to DUMP Andy for T.

and finally...
MountainBikerM: "Ohhh let me buy that automobile because it had Android onboard. I gotta buy that SUV because it's AW compatible."

Sure. And there's no doubt that has moved some cars. But let's see the number of how many people switched car brands for that reason. I bet it's not very high. Or how many people decided to buy early because of that feature. Also betting that # is low. I know 1 person with Android Auto. (And she doesn't like it much). How many do you guys know? And sure, I bet a few SUV's were sold because they could be started with a watch. But let's face it... these are not big numbers. If it was TW or Tizen Auto and Sammy had a Tizen phone... you think that many folks will switch?

Yes, it's all rumor. It's not happening.
But fun to debate.

/drops the mic

Angst as in apprehension, not anger as in mad.

Jonny there was no iPad Facebook app, everything was iPhone compatible and st the time any iPhone app that could be used on an iPad rendered the size of a phone screen so it was a tiny app on a 10"screen. That's why I used iPad as the example. Sorry for the confusion. Back then Android soon came out with a little icon to render the phone apps full size but with grainy pixels whereas iOS went separate app first. You may or may not remember Swift Key had a phone keyboard app and a separate tablet app, both were paid and there was a hullabaloo when SK made their app both capable. Same thing with Tapatalk and a bunch of others on both Android and iOS for ones such as Splashtop as well as TT and others.

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[PereDroid]

informal
a feeling of persistent worry about something trivial.

(I don't think I came across as worried, either)

 

[mountainbikermark]

informal
a feeling of persistent worry about something trivial.

(I don't think I came across as worried, either)

This is what I was referring to

but perhaps this synonym, misgiving, might for better

as a reason for your such strongly worded retorts.
Though I agree in sentiment that I don't really care to watch my clothes washing in the machine with a smart washer just the concept of the out of the box thinking on the part of Samsung I do appreciate.
I must also admit a certain angst about Tizen similar to that feeling about Google that is it really about the Benjamins or does Samsung have a more nefarious intent? All this stuff tied into 1 central system could go terribly wrong in the wrong hands.

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[kodiak799]

The only advantage I see here over MS is that, unlike MS, Sammie has a huge installed base....and can more easily justify throwing a lot of money at developers to create apps for Tizen.

But the entire app store thing amuses me. I have maybe 200-300 apps on my phone, which is a lot for most people. Some apps, like "Southwest Airlines" I might use only once a year - but I have the storage space and it's really convenient and helpful that one time I need the app.

Point being, excluding games there are maybe only a few thousand apps/uses that covers almost everything the vast majority of people need. I guess the challenge is there are 50 different messaging apps that are all a little different - you'd think you just make one messaging app with the feature options everyone wants, but then that's too complicated for the average stupid person (which is why a good app store needs 100k apps instead of 10k)

 

[xeene]

I think samsung is too late to the party. They don't have the money of apple and Google to reprogram the industry and consumer to switch to something that nobody knows. We know tizen, 99.9% of Americans don't. And those 99.9% already have Google/apple appliances, cars, smarphones/tvs, home monitoring systems.
This is billions and billions of $ and decades of product placements.
I'm sorry but as great of a company samsung is, they aren't big enough to conquer the world that's already been had.
Maybe when next wearable comes along like smart shirts and pants samsung will have a chance.

 

[mountainbikermark]

The only advantage I see here over MS is that, unlike MS, Sammie has a huge installed base....and can more easily justify throwing a lot of money at developers to create apps for Tizen.

But the entire app store thing amuses me. I have maybe 200-300 apps on my phone, which is a lot for most people. Some apps, like "Southwest Airlines" I might use only once a year - but I have the storage space and it's really convenient and helpful that one time I need the app.

Point being, excluding games there are maybe only a few thousand apps/uses that covers almost everything the vast majority of people need. I guess the challenge is there are 50 different messaging apps that are all a little different - you'd think you just make one messaging app with the feature options everyone wants, but then that's too complicated for the average stupid person (which is why a good app store needs 100k apps instead of 10k)

That's the thing. Out of the vast minority of Must Have apps available across platforms Tizen falls way behind in having them for their devices. That could possibly be they currently have only their smartwatches as a worldwide app market and even some of them (such as the old Samsung wallet app) are limited in what country you can get them in. Given the limited cpu/ram, screen real estate and battery of the Gear lineup most must haves we enjoy on our phones would be too much for the current fleet of Gears, cutting the numbers even more. The monetary rewards are there for Tizen developers but the limited usage and Samsungs approval methods hold them back. Tizen for Gear right now is a walled garden that has thicker roadblocks than iOS ever had.

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[kodiak799]

That's the thing. Out of the vast minority of Must Have apps available across platforms Tizen falls way behind in having them for their devices.

My point is it doesn't have to be that way. They only need a few thousand, if that, quality apps to satisfy most consumers. They are perfectly capable of paying developers good money to do that.

Presumably MS did the same. Difference is Sammie has the brand recognition and reputation in smartphones and MS did not.

Not to say it isn't an uphill climb for them. But for 2M+ apps in Apple and Android, most people will never even SEE, much less use, 99% of the available apps.