Tethering - Here's why I wouldn't do it...

[dolfanpete]

i wish i knew what this was all about. lol. tethering? is that when you put the droid on a rope and tie it to a pole with a tire on the bottom and keep hitting it in circles like in napoleon dynamite? j/k. but what is this tethering. i keep hearing something about the router, and that the cable company can find out...find out what exactly? i understand the rooting part, where they dont want us to modify the phone so that they can charge us later on for doing those things....what the hell are these little monsters we have? jeeesh. i like it....glad i have one.

 

[Orion223]

Having listened (well, rather 'read') some of the more 'learned' individuals here on the forums, I must conclude that TS may have a certain, shall we say 'vested interest' in 'relaying' this information to us. I call ... MOLE :icon_evil:

 

[Mojo]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been. Billing is auto generated. Not some person looking at individual usage and adding up a bill for it.

Tethering through vzaccess manager or any other software that Verizon develops or enables on your phone is the only, let me say that again.. the only way that Verizon can see that your tethering! Using pdanet.. wireless tether.. ect... only shows under your total data usage.

When I look at an account in EROES and look at someones data usage, there is two things to look at data usage and tethering usage. Tethering usage ONLY shows up if connected through vzaccess manager.

The only other way to detect tethering would to look at data trends. And spikes in data usage. But they still would have one hell of a time to prove it. And the cost involved in having people analyze This would be astronomical! Out of the 5+ years I have been in the cellphone industry I've never once had to deal with a customer billing issue due to unauthorized tethering. Never!

I've seen posts on crackberry and other sites of people making claims that they was billed for usage or canceled. But yet there has never been any proof backing up those claims. In all the years being on these tech blogs, forums, etc... one would think someone would post proof of these claims. A letter from Verizon, a bill statement, a cancellation notice. Something! But I have yet to see any proof. Period.

 

[Mikejl]

i wish i knew what this was all about. lol. tethering?...

Check out post #23 of this thread.

Mike

 

[JCo352]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been. Billing is auto generated. Not some person looking at individual usage and adding up a bill for it.

Tethering through vzaccess manager or any other software that Verizon develops or enables on your phone is the only, let me say that again.. the only way that Verizon can see that your tethering! Using pdanet.. wireless tether.. ect... only shows under your total data usage.

When I look at an account in EROES and look at someones data usage, there is two things to look at data usage and tethering usage. Tethering usage ONLY shows up if connected through vzaccess manager.

The only other way to detect tethering would to look at data trends. And spikes in data usage. But they still would have one hell of a time to prove it. And the cost involved in having people analyze This would be astronomical! Out of the 5+ years I have been in the cellphone industry I've never once had to deal with a customer billing issue due to unauthorized tethering. Never!

I've seen posts on crackberry and other sites of people making claims that they was billed for usage or canceled. But yet there has never been any proof backing up those claims. In all the years being on these tech blogs, forums, etc... one would think someone would post proof of these claims. A letter from Verizon, a bill statement, a cancellation notice. Something! But I have yet to see any proof. Period.

Do you work for Verizon?

 

[funkdoctor]

First off - in the original message you state that Verizon has instructed its employees to disconnect service on customers who have a rooted phone, and force a ETF!? You realize that is illegal, right? The FCC is already all over Verizon about their ETF prices, and you expect us to believe they are now going to attempt to break the law by forcing charges on people who modify their phones? Come on buddy, 4/20 was last week. As far as tethering, it is risky. I personally know people who were hit with big charges by Verizon - but not on an Android phone. The idea that Verizon is going to try to force people to pay an ETF for rooting is fantasy though.

 

[Mojo]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been. Billing is auto generated. Not some person looking at individual usage and adding up a bill for it.

Tethering through vzaccess manager or any other software that Verizon develops or enables on your phone is the only, let me say that again.. the only way that Verizon can see that your tethering! Using pdanet.. wireless tether.. ect... only shows under your total data usage.

When I look at an account in EROES and look at someones data usage, there is two things to look at data usage and tethering usage. Tethering usage ONLY shows up if connected through vzaccess manager.

The only other way to detect tethering would to look at data trends. And spikes in data usage. But they still would have one hell of a time to prove it. And the cost involved in having people analyze This would be astronomical! Out of the 5+ years I have been in the cellphone industry I've never once had to deal with a customer billing issue due to unauthorized tethering. Never!

I've seen posts on crackberry and other sites of people making claims that they was billed for usage or canceled. But yet there has never been any proof backing up those claims. In all the years being on these tech blogs, forums, etc... one would think someone would post proof of these claims. A letter from Verizon, a bill statement, a cancellation notice. Something! But I have yet to see any proof. Period.

Do you work for Verizon?

Did.. until 03/28/10

 

[JCo352]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been. Billing is auto generated. Not some person looking at individual usage and adding up a bill for it.

Tethering through vzaccess manager or any other software that Verizon develops or enables on your phone is the only, let me say that again.. the only way that Verizon can see that your tethering! Using pdanet.. wireless tether.. ect... only shows under your total data usage.

When I look at an account in EROES and look at someones data usage, there is two things to look at data usage and tethering usage. Tethering usage ONLY shows up if connected through vzaccess manager.

The only other way to detect tethering would to look at data trends. And spikes in data usage. But they still would have one hell of a time to prove it. And the cost involved in having people analyze This would be astronomical! Out of the 5+ years I have been in the cellphone industry I've never once had to deal with a customer billing issue due to unauthorized tethering. Never!

I've seen posts on crackberry and other sites of people making claims that they was billed for usage or canceled. But yet there has never been any proof backing up those claims. In all the years being on these tech blogs, forums, etc... one would think someone would post proof of these claims. A letter from Verizon, a bill statement, a cancellation notice. Something! But I have yet to see any proof. Period.

Do you work for Verizon?

Did.. until 03/38/10

Umm that date doesn't exist lol.

 

[Mojo]

Corrected it... typo. 03/28/10

 

[funkdoctor]

First off - in the original message you state that Verizon has instructed its employees to disconnect service on customers who have a rooted phone, and force a ETF!? You realize that is illegal, right? The FCC is already all over Verizon about their ETF prices, and you expect us to believe they are now going to attempt to break the law by forcing charges on people who modify their phones? Come on buddy, 4/20 was last week.

 

[ska8r411]

Thats BS. We the people are what makes Verizon,Verizon.
They wouldnt want to lose our service.

Plus iv gotten tech support before and theyv been through my phone that was rooted and had smoked glass,i dont think the guy noticed tho lol

 

[dolfanpete]

i wish i knew what this was all about. lol. tethering?...

Check out post #23 of this thread.

Mike

thanks....i guess if that is not a need for me than i really dont care about it. i have internet at home, pc's and xbox, ps3...so i really dont need this tethering i guess ....


now the rooting.....we'll see

 

[Mikejl]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I have installed Internet reporting hardware in our data center and I can tell you where any of the 2000 users going through our proxy have gone for the last 6 plus months down to the minute.

I don't know if Vz had this capability, but it is easy enough to implement.

You are correct about needing a team of people dedicated to do nothing but monitor internet and data usage. I only have time to check internet usage when HR makes a request for particular user.

I imagine Vz is like every other company and running with as few employees as possible.

Mike

 

[funkdoctor]

You guys do realize the cost it would take for Verizon to dedicate teams of people to start analizing peoples accounts to see if your tethering. As another poster posted... they can only see the ammount of data transmitted. Not where you go or have been. Billing is auto generated. Not some person looking at individual usage and adding up a bill for it.

Tethering through vzaccess manager or any other software that Verizon develops or enables on your phone is the only, let me say that again.. the only way that Verizon can see that your tethering! Using pdanet.. wireless tether.. ect... only shows under your total data usage.

When I look at an account in EROES and look at someones data usage, there is two things to look at data usage and tethering usage. Tethering usage ONLY shows up if connected through vzaccess manager.

The only other way to detect tethering would to look at data trends. And spikes in data usage. But they still would have one hell of a time to prove it. And the cost involved in having people analyze This would be astronomical! Out of the 5+ years I have been in the cellphone industry I've never once had to deal with a customer billing issue due to unauthorized tethering. Never!

I've seen posts on crackberry and other sites of people making claims that they was billed for usage or canceled. But yet there has never been any proof backing up those claims. In all the years being on these tech blogs, forums, etc... one would think someone would post proof of these claims. A letter from Verizon, a bill statement, a cancellation notice. Something! But I have yet to see any proof. Period.

Do you work for Verizon?

Did.. until 03/28/10

I sat and watched a family member argue with Verizon over her tethering fees, the prospect of her account being cancelled, their accusations of her usage, her denials etc. I sat and watched all of this, and read the initial letter from Verizon regarding her tethering abuse. Is it your opinion that the Verizon store in NW Washington DC is a sort of super Verizon that is able to detect tethering when no other Verizons can?

BTW, thats sarcasm. I've seen it with my own eyes, so please lets not argue about whether i happens. I am fairly certain that my family member did not pay, but she is no longer on Verizon. Her account was closed and I am guessing the bill is in collections. The device was a Blackberry Storm and all of this happened in 2010.

 

[aminaked]

What's up with people saying that my cable company is going to hack through my firewall to undelete my log data? Do you live in China or something?

As far as Verizon not being able to tell what your data is, sure phone reps don't have access to that but surely verizon does at some level (they forwarded all data to the NSA) unless the traffic is encrypted/proxied. They COULD automate things. An algorithm could look for signs of tethering and simply tack it on my bill without human intervention. Heck, verizon tacked on a mystery charge the day I switched from at&t. I think it would be profitable to nail tetherers.