Kind of what I was thinking... they are really trying to fill that "Something for everyone" idea before Christmas
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The "New" New Phone Rumor Mill
- Thread starter Trusstopher
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they should just release a new phone every month
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Na, just drop the GNex and then they can stop there!
What do y'all think, do any of these deserve their own post or should they all remain in the "not enough to warrant their own post yet":
HTC EdgeAsus Padfone
HTC EdgeAsus Padfone
asus padfone | Android and Me (Posted 11/4/11)
Samsung Galaxy S2 HD LTE Moto Jet and the Moto Bullet Samsung Galaxy S IIIhttp://androidandme.com/2011/09/news/anonymous-4chan-user-lets-not-forget-the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii/
Interesting that the HTC phone has a 4.7" display, but also shows the hardware capacitive buttons... but that is something that could easily change from a test model to a final device.
Looks like the D4 might be closer to prime time than most anticipated:
Motorola DROID 4 Pops Up in Variety of Verizon Systems, How Close are We to a Release? – Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog
Really? Maybe there is a Sanat Claus,lol. But really, it would be nice for the D4 to come out. Been holding out on getting the D3 and have been playing with my D2 in the meantime ( root, overclock, thinking of flashing rom ). So now, something else to think about.
The HTC Edge looks AMAZING. That is one beauftiful build, probably my favorite *looking* smartphone since the Nexus 1. I'm also really excited about the Padfone. I have always like ASUS' build quality and the Transformer is a great tablet. They are long due for a powerhouse smartphone.
For those too lazy to click links, the HTC Edge.
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For those too lazy to click links, the HTC Edge.
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ilikemoneygreen
Silver Member
Haha im going to be honest, i fiqured they were only putting quad cores in tablets. Putting that bad boy in a phone would be interesting but battery intensive. ill take a quad core but id try to underclock all cores to 600mhz to take advantage of me not needing 1.5ghz and then id also be taking advantage of 28nm saving me battery.
Haha im going to be honest, i fiqured they were only putting quad cores in tablets. Putting that bad boy in a phone would be interesting but battery intensive. ill take a quad core but id try to underclock all cores to 600mhz to take advantage of me not needing 1.5ghz and then id also be taking advantage of 28nm saving me battery.
I wonder what kind of heat it would put out... I'm not sure if more cores means more efficient with heat or less....
ilikemoneygreen
Silver Member
I think that has to do with work load. If your doing an intense task such as one of those new hd games it requires more cpu to work. the faster the cpu can deliver the quicker the task gets done. if your not using an intense app and only use a couple apps that dont require a large workload then under clocking is good. You cant expect to stress the cores because that is when you overheat. Kinda like car traffic, 1 lane at 35mph means only like 10 cars can pass every 30 seconds (if they were perfectly spaced from eachother). by adding more lanes and keeping the same speed limit you can double the work load to 20(This is all theoritically and in my mind, im no way an expert btw, just my take- Skullone is the expert if my memory is right). But you cannot expect to fit 50 cars through those lanes in 30 seconds or their will be a traffic jam (this would be the overheating); youd probably need 5 lanes at the same speed to reach 50 cars (Also assuming the OS spreads the load evenly throughout the cores). Thats just my guess.... i can say i really rarely push my D1 to its limits and its at 600mhz, i use to overclock but their is no point. I think you would need to be concerned with how much traffic Sense Ui makes and then that is your limit on underclock. If my memory is right id say the d1 starts jamming up at around 200mhz so id put it up to 300 where it ran cool. that figure could totally be off though, its been a yer since i overclocked. So a quad core with not much running id say would be a great contender to be underclocked to 600mhz.
I think post #151 from this thread needs to be repeated. Some good points! I'll take a rock'n 2ghz dual for now!
I think its important for us to remember that more cores doesn't necessarily equal proportionally more processing speed. Interviews with chipset manufacturers (i believe the one I read was with Steve jobs but it was a while ago so I can't provide an exact source atm) have indicated that they're aware that theyre going to have a difficult time keeping up with the rates of improvement they've provided in the past. This is largely because despite the doubling of transistor counts every two years, software manufacturers don't know what to do with all these processors. He said they've done fairly well with two but with four they're pretty much clueless. Its hard to harness all of the processing power because if the computations exceed the capacity of the processors individual cache, it has to use the much slower general memory of the computer. Thus a bottleneck is created. As we all know, performance is only as good as the weakest link, which is often the algorithm running the hardware. Its cost prohibitive to spend so much time developing algorithms when hardware is advancing so fast. To produce much faster results, programs must be coded to use all cores simultaneously without redundancy. Parallel processing has its limits.
This may sound unrelated to the post but I think its actually central to our analysis of what is to come in terms of not just raw specs but in terms of actual performance increases. This is something Apple has always excelled at - optimization. In light of this, perhaps we can safely invest in a good dual core device without fear of falling far behind the curve.
As the OP pointed out, there's a trend toward marginal quarterly or biannual improvement. Maybe our recognizing that two cores well-optimized is better than four that aren't optimized will remind phone manufacturers that more transistors isn't enough. With twice as many cores we expect twice as much performance. Especially when retail phone pricing is approaching the price point of mid range laptops.
I think its important for us to remember that more cores doesn't necessarily equal proportionally more processing speed. Interviews with chipset manufacturers (i believe the one I read was with Steve jobs but it was a while ago so I can't provide an exact source atm) have indicated that they're aware that theyre going to have a difficult time keeping up with the rates of improvement they've provided in the past. This is largely because despite the doubling of transistor counts every two years, software manufacturers don't know what to do with all these processors. He said they've done fairly well with two but with four they're pretty much clueless. Its hard to harness all of the processing power because if the computations exceed the capacity of the processors individual cache, it has to use the much slower general memory of the computer. Thus a bottleneck is created. As we all know, performance is only as good as the weakest link, which is often the algorithm running the hardware. Its cost prohibitive to spend so much time developing algorithms when hardware is advancing so fast. To produce much faster results, programs must be coded to use all cores simultaneously without redundancy. Parallel processing has its limits.
This may sound unrelated to the post but I think its actually central to our analysis of what is to come in terms of not just raw specs but in terms of actual performance increases. This is something Apple has always excelled at - optimization. In light of this, perhaps we can safely invest in a good dual core device without fear of falling far behind the curve.
As the OP pointed out, there's a trend toward marginal quarterly or biannual improvement. Maybe our recognizing that two cores well-optimized is better than four that aren't optimized will remind phone manufacturers that more transistors isn't enough. With twice as many cores we expect twice as much performance. Especially when retail phone pricing is approaching the price point of mid range laptops.
danceswithbongs
Active Member
The number of cores is clearly causing other makers to have core envy.
But is it just me, or do the smartphones seem to be heading down the ridiculous path that the razor industry has now gone whole hog on? The cores are like the number of razor blades.
My razor has 3 blades, oh well mine has 5 so you suck!
Oddly I go old school and use a flip-out barbers' straight edge and a leather strop for sharpening. Then I go, "grrrr" whilst shaving so everyone knows I am really tough. And to hammer the message home, I use moonshine for aftershave! Not recommended for those with intact facial nerve endings.
walkin the walk while tappin the talk
danceswithbongs
But is it just me, or do the smartphones seem to be heading down the ridiculous path that the razor industry has now gone whole hog on? The cores are like the number of razor blades.
My razor has 3 blades, oh well mine has 5 so you suck!
Oddly I go old school and use a flip-out barbers' straight edge and a leather strop for sharpening. Then I go, "grrrr" whilst shaving so everyone knows I am really tough. And to hammer the message home, I use moonshine for aftershave! Not recommended for those with intact facial nerve endings.
walkin the walk while tappin the talk
danceswithbongs
rubiksc00p
Senior Member
Looks like the D4 might be closer to prime time than most anticipated:
Motorola DROID 4 Pops Up in Variety of Verizon Systems, How Close are We to a Release? – Droid Life: A Droid Community Blog
And we thought the Bionic people were mad abut the Razr coming out to fast... I don't want to think about the D3 people's response. Occupy wallstreet is nothing compared with the soon coming occupy Verizon and Moto riots...
::barricades door, sharpens swords::
The number of cores is clearly causing other makers to have core envy.
But is it just me, or do the smartphones seem to be heading down the ridiculous path that the razor industry has now gone whole hog on? The cores are like the number of razor blades.
My razor has 3 blades, oh well mine has 5 so you suck!
Oddly I go old school and use a flip-out barbers' straight edge and a leather strop for sharpening. Then I go, "grrrr" whilst shaving so everyone knows I am really tough. And to hammer the message home, I use moonshine for aftershave! Not recommended for those with intact facial nerve endings.
walkin the walk while tappin the talk
danceswithbongs
So with this logic I guess it's time to go back to more code on the telegraph, or maybe even smoke singles (I'd imagine you are pretty proficient with those, Danceswithbongs)? hahaha
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