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Where are SD apps?

It might help to answer the original question if you stated the name of the app you used to transfer your apps to the SD card.

Have you seen the apps on the card using your computer? If so, and they are in the apk format, then try using the app APK installer.


On the other hand one of the links below says that Titanium uses the .asec file extension for back ups, although I can not find any on my sd card. (oh, i just rememembered only visible on the computer)



Anyway, hope the links below can help you solve the problem.



look at this link: .asec file extension? - xda-developers
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/project-elite/129180-market-apps-wont-download-2.html
ASEC: file extension asec - Open .asec files
 
The reason I didn't go into details about the 3rd party app I used to help me do the restore was because it was an irrelevant detail. The app I used was Superbox. All it does is go thru the list of downloaded apps and summarize the ones for which "move to SD card" is enabled. Tapping on each item in the list brings the user to that app in the standard "manage applications" page for that app, allowing "Move to SD card" to be selected. Nothing tricky was done - basically I used the phone's built-in utility to move the apps that were listed as movable. I also verified those apps were moved to the SD card.

You may think you are helpful, but my definition of helpful is different from yours. You never answered my actual question (apps are on the SD card but do not appear anywhere on new phone's menu or manage apps lists). Your main response was your advice on forum protocol and "netiquette", claiming my method of emphasis is considered yelling and is rude, followed by posts laced with sarcasm and just plain nastiness. This does not create an inviting environment for me or any other users who might have seen your responses to participate in this forum.

Again, the purpose of these technical forums is to assist other members with understanding technical issues, and not create a hostile and unfriendly environment by attacking or criticizing other members when they don't meet your personal standards of posting style. You are not the forum moderator.

If you'd like to be helpful, answer the question: the transferred files, all .asec filetype, are in the appropriate folder on the SD card. Why do they not appear on the phone as apps that can be run?
 
I am no expert but my understanding was that moving apps to the SD card was for the explicit purpose of not consuming local memory on the phone they were installed on, not to make them portable. Which is essentially what you are asking. I fully understand that you owned the previous phone and you clearly own the replacement phone, but I don't think your SD card is user aware or phone aware. So it would stand to reason that the installation of the apps would require something on the original phone (I believe you called it a stub). Else you would be able to put your SD card in any phone and run your apps, which I believe would be a breach of a the app license agreement.

Furthermore, as already discussed, the market and other app stores are supposed to keep track of your purchases to allow for re-installation when necessary. Even if you have the apps on the SD card, but not "installed" to the android system, you will probably need to re-download each in their entirety.
 
That was one of the first things I considered. I went to the applications manager, but those apps were not listed anywhere. Can't move them from SD card back to phone if they aren't listed in the first place.

Yes, your suggestion makes logical sense, but for some reason, the logical sequences of events don't seem to be taking place on my phone. Don't know if what you describe is how things are supposed to work, and there is some major glitch in my particular phone, or all the DX phones behave this way. That's why I posted the question to the droid forum - to find out what is going on from the experiences on many droid users.
 
BTG -

Your reply makes sense, and that is what I suspected was happening. It's hard to get a straight and definitive answer about these droids. I even asked Verizon tech support if this procedure would transfer the apps from the old phone to the new phone. Most of the folks I talked to said they believed it "should" work, but they weren't sure. How's THAT for technical support!

Just to be safe, I wrote down the names of all the apps - nothing unexpected can happen if you have hard copy on paper. Let's just say I don't particularly trust these droid devices, which I still consider to be in the beta testing stage, and in this case, I suspected those transferred apps might not make it over, so I wrote down all their names. I also used that as an opportunity to weed out some of the apps I don't really need.
 
Its like taking a D: drive with windows installed programs on it from one PC and putting it in a second PC. the programs wont run on second PC, cause they were installed on the first PC but not on the second.

I use astro to back up my apps install files to sd, but that still requires reinstalling them onto the new/wiped droid from the SD packs.

there are also ways to make a backup snapshot of your droid system to avoid reinstalling apps. but afaik all those methods need root...

VRZ level one tech support (like most corps) has never been any help with actual use of handsets beyond making and receiving calls/texts or using voice mail ect.
 
Is the astro you are referring to "astro file manager"? That is one of the apps I already had. It allows looking at root files and folders without having to root the phone (which I understand, voids the phone warranty). ES File explorer also allows browsing the root folders - a really nice app. Anyway, doing a search on .apk files finds them all over the place - some in folder /system/app, some in /mnt/asec/, and some in folders on the SD card. They're all over the place. Some of them have names indicating what the app is, others are more cryptic.

I suppose I could search out and copy all those .apk files, save them in some folder I create on the sd card, and then re-install them manually on a new or reset phone. Not sure that is much easier than simply downloading them from the market - at least they're all in one place, and then I can automatically get notifications of updates as they are released.

But think about it. This is just a phone. It shouldn't be this hard to save your apps and transfer them to a new phone if something makes that necessary. The misleading part is, if you go thru the trouble of saving whatever apps possible to the SD card to make the transfer easier - you are going to be disappointed when they don't show up.
 
"The app I used was Superbox."
I went to the market and read about this application. It says that it will scan your sd card and find applications and give you the option to install them on your phone.


I downloaded the app, opened it up and chose "Installer". The app scanned my SD card and gave me a list of applications, some are already installed on the phone, if I chose one of them I get a warning that I will overwrite the app on the phone.


Others on the list that I know I deleted/uninstalled when selected one of these apps is asks, "do you want to install this application?" with an install button or cancel button to chose from..3


So, if you used this app to move the apps to the sd card and everything went well, use the "Installer" to install them from the sd card to the phone.


That is the answer you want.
 
That was interesting. I did as you described. There were 31 apps it found that it could install. All of them were ones already on the phone, but only a small fraction of the apps I had downloaded and installed. Most were not on that list. One was an app that was no longer available on the market TI-86, which is an emulation of the TI-86 calculator. TI's lawyers advised the author that was a copyright infringement of their code, so he pulled the app. I googled it from my PC, and found a site that still had the app available for download. I did d/l it, copied the apk to the phone and installed it. That app is one of the ones on the Superbox list.

Sadly, the apps that I had moved to the SD card on my previous phone, but were no longer available on the market - those apps were not among the ones listed by Superbox.

Still, thanks for the tip. It shows it is possible to install or re-install apps on the phone with apk files stored in at least some folders.
 
Sorry you did not get all ur apps back. I recommend that you use Titanium backup, if you are rooted. Should you ever need a new phone again, you would only need to download it to the new phone place the old SD card in new phone and let Titanium do a full restore of your apps.

If you do get a paid Titanium licence, store a copy of it on your computer. Then U can copy it to a new SD card on the new phone. Then make a trip to the Market get all the updates. Then let Titanium back ur phone up to the new SD card.

superbox is a nifty app. Glad I researched it,bthanks to U.
 
Also, do not give up on ur apps. Go back to the app in he market and scroll down to "send email to devoleper". Describe what U did and ask why/where ur apps/ how to get them off the SD card reinstalled on new phone. I have had good experiences with coms with developers
 
The reason I didn't go into details about the 3rd party app I used to help me do the restore was because it was an irrelevant detail.
Your right the app is irrelevant only now that it becomes clear that the app was just an overlay gui for google apps2sd function. If you had just simply made this clear in the first place that would not have been an issue.

However establishing the method itself used for apps2sd was important because some work in different ways. Some require an EXT partition for example, such as Darktremors Apps2SD hack which create a symbolic link in /data/app to move the apk to the sd card. The EXT partition is not recognizable by the phone through the likes of astro or any other file manager. Androids built in system, which is more or less what you used since the third party app was not responsible for moving the app but android was. Androids built in apps2sd starting on froyo works differently because it does not actually need an EXT partition and according to googles android developer blog, as a different way of functioning:
"Note that not all of the contents of an “SD-card-resident” APK are actually on the card; the dex files, private data directories, and native shared libraries remain in internal storage. Then there is CynagonMods version which works the same as Googles, except for it can force all apps to the sd card.

So your right the app proved relevant only due to a further lack of vital information.


The app I used was Superbox. All it does is go thru the list of downloaded apps and summarize the ones for which "move to SD card" is enabled. Tapping on each item in the list brings the user to that app in the standard "manage applications" page for that app, allowing "Move to SD card" to be selected. Nothing tricky was done - basically I used the phone's built-in utility to move the apps that were listed as movable. I also verified those apps were moved to the SD card.
So read about google Apps2SD up above. Better yet I will copy and paste it hear for you:
"Note that not all of the contents of an “SD-card-resident” APK are actually on the card; the dex files, private data directories, and native shared libraries remain in internal storage.

You may think you are helpful, but my definition of helpful is different from yours. You never answered my actual question (apps are on the SD card but do not appear anywhere on new phone's menu or manage apps lists). Your main response was your advice on forum protocol and "netiquette", claiming my method of emphasis is considered yelling and is rude, followed by posts laced with sarcasm and just plain nastiness. This does not create an inviting environment for me or any other users who might have seen your responses to participate in this forum.
Again read my response to your comment about a stub. I am sorry you choose to neglect information provided you to try to spin this in your favor.

Again, the purpose of these technical forums is to assist other members with understanding technical issues, and not create a hostile and unfriendly environment by attacking or criticizing other members when they don't meet your personal standards of posting style. You are not the forum moderator.

If you'd like to be helpful, answer the question: the transferred files, all .asec filetype, are in the appropriate folder on the SD card. Why do they not appear on the phone as apps that can be run?
Then why not cut through the BS and state a simple question such as this. In all your responses to me you never made that clear. Sorry if this was your original question, I guess I couldnt decipher it through all the BS. More or less it is an encrypted file so that other applications can not modify or corrupt them(wow amazing what google does when you dont know something). The encryption key is probably unique to each device. I cant say for sure, but as I pointed out before, using DarkTremorers Apps2SD partition, it was not even able to be re-used after a format. Sounds like this is true of the google apps2sd. Perhaps if you restore the APK from /mount/asec/ it will restore the associated data to. It hard to say though.

In almost 2 years of following android modding I cant say I have ever heard some one use apps2sd as a back up method. As stated above Titanium Backup is a haste free way to back up user apps, leave system apps alone in my experience, but it does require root. However this is really trivial for the most part. Install z4root, tap root, and the phone reboots. Your rooted. Now use TB to backup user apps + data, and then you can even sync them to dropbox on your PC so you have a back up in case something happens to your SD card.
 
Xlorer4X4, U need to chill out. There was no need for the above post. U remind me of a Jr officer in the Navy that will not listen to his Chief. The open had a problem similar to any of us using Titanium backup to back up our phone only to find out later there was no restore function. By the time I asked what app he used to move/ copy his apps to SD card he lashed out at me as I'd I were U. Then U come along with tjhe above post as if it were sent to U.
We all need to chill out and understajnd that we get upset when we think we did a good thing only to find failure in the end.
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My idea is that no developer will write an app that does not work both ways.

Everyone chill. We are to help each other not incite or insulted eachother.
 
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