WSJ Confirms Droid Bionic Delay

[BigMcGuire]

What the problem is, you're paying $700 for a device that does not allow you to use it but tells you how to use it. I, along with many others, find this unacceptable. Yes, HTC Thunderbolt had a locked bootloader, but not an encrypted one. Motorola has encrypted theirs... they went out of their way to piss off us, a small rooting community. That's why you have 10,000+ people voting for unlocked bootloaders when Motorola asks what's the #1 feature people want. That's 10,000 people.

The best physical phone out there could be 2x better with a custom kernel that allows you to downclock the CPU when not in use (trippling the battery life) and overclock it (safely) to extend the life of the phone. The HTC Thunderbolt is completely stable at 1.5Ghz and is twice the phone because of that. Yeah, it isn't a dualcore 2.0Ghz beast, but think about it, there's nothing out there that will utilize dual core. It's like driving a dualie pickup in the city and bragging about it.

The Droid 1 was a great phone but the moment Motorola declared war on us rooters and told us to go elsewhere.... I did. They've lost my business and they've lost a lot of business from the many people that come to me asking which phone to buy.

The moment HTC encrypts their bootloader, I'll go with the Nexus lineup. So I'm not brand loyal. I just hate being told how to use MY stuff that I purchased. I don't like crapware being force fed to me when I pay $700 for a phone.

 

[soulpatch]

Locked bootloaders suck but at the same time I can remove bloatware by rooting the phone so no worries there per say. Count me as one who is on this site daily who does not care about the motoblur as much as some of you. I had my D1 all decked out and spent way too many hours tweaking it constantly. Motoblur might limit some things but all in all it works well enough that I dont care to spend the time trying to get rid of it anymore.

I buy hardware and right now Moto products are the top of the chain. If Bionic keeps getting pushed then I will most likely get the DX2 since I still dont have 4G around my house anyway. While I woudl like to get locked into a non tiered contract, I also dont want to pay full price for phones moving forward to not have my contract updated so I will probably just keep buying hardware and dealing with contract issues as they arise...

 

[jroc]

What the problem is, you're paying $700 for a device that does not allow you to use it but tells you how to use it.

The thing I dont really understand about this, compare the iPhone to an Android phone unrooted and not jailbroken.

Out the box an Android phone allows one to do so many things most other phones cant.

Custom ROMs is an added bonus. I get the vibe that some ppl dont think Android phones are any good until after you root them and use custom ROMs. Or you are so tied down unless it has a custom ROM. Good, high end Android phones are good out the box. Ppl complained about the X and custom ROMs, but I didnt even use the limited ROMs it has until late last year. Cuz out the box it is a good phone.

Even with the Droid 1, after awhile I got tired and just went back to plain stock Android.

With the Droid 1, how many ppl actually used a custom kernel and ran it at 500, 550 Mhz max? At one point one had to overclock the Droid 1 for better performance. The Droid X didnt really need to be overclocked.

With all these upcoming phones, overclocking is gonna be more for bragging rights, benchmark tests. If you dont want an Android phone for having a locked down bootloader, fine. But to make it like you cant do anything with an Android phone unless it has an open bootloader, I dont see it.

 

[chris420o]

again people talkin nonsense....locking the bootloader doesnt tell you how to use your phone....moto is not "Declaring war" on devs....it simply wants to make its phones as secure as possible which from a business standpoint(for a company who wants to remove blackberrys from the market) it makes sense...but at the same time it sucks for us who like to dabble in our phones innards...

and to say the duel core is pointless is just idiotic statement from people AGAIN justifying their current purchases of the tb and what not....when the phones released i guarentee it will be plenty optimized for the duel core...which is have BETTER battery life and will push the phone to limits signle cores simply can not...WITHOUT a custom kernal thats needed for people now on single core phones to underclock for better blife or over clock for speed

im sticking with my og droid until the targa or a similar great phone(possibley galaxy s2 even though its an iphone clone which i cant stand) comes out n makes me switch....i will not settle for old techonology simply bc i can load a custom kernal....when i flash roms the main reason besides optimizing my phone(which new phones wont need) is to add taht custom look that i love about androids freedom.....and that my friends can still happen on a locked bootloader

 

[BigMcGuire]

What the problem is, you're paying $700 for a device that does not allow you to use it but tells you how to use it.

The thing I dont really understand about this, compare the iPhone to an Android phone unrooted and not jailbroken.

Out the box an Android phone allows one to do so many things most other phones cant.

Custom ROMs is an added bonus. I get the vibe that some ppl dont think Android phones are any good until after you root them and use custom ROMs. Or you are so tied down unless it has a custom ROM. Good, high end Android phones are good out the box. Ppl complained about the X and custom ROMs, but I didnt even use the limited ROMs it has until late last year. Cuz out the box it is a good phone.

Even with the Droid 1, after awhile I got tired and just went back to plain stock Android.

With the Droid 1, how many ppl actually used a custom kernel and ran it at 500, 550 Mhz max? At one point one had to overclock the Droid 1 for better performance. The Droid X didnt really need to be overclocked.

With all these upcoming phones, overclocking is gonna be more for bragging rights, benchmark tests. If you dont want an Android phone for having a locked down bootloader, fine. But to make it like you cant do anything with an Android phone unless it has an open bootloader, I dont see it.

Well the difference is with the iPhone, you aren't being force fed tons of bloatware. Yes, I prefer stock Android as well. I root primarily to remove the tons of bloatware that is force fed to us by HTC/Motorola (Verizon).

I'm not making it like you can't do anything. I just prefer my devices to be optimized. I don't like being told I can't do things with MY property, especially when most Android phones today are very un-optimized and bloatware full. That said, we hope that we can root the Bionic/Tegra. If so, great. If you look into the hardware of the phones, you'll see that they actually underclock these phones by quite a bit from their original Ghz. That's why everyone's overclocking so successfully. And overclocking isn't just for benchmarking, but it actually gives you a smoother cleaner Android experience. Going from screen to screen is less laggy, opening up your text messages is faster, etc...

 

[BigMcGuire]

again people talkin nonsense....locking the bootloader doesnt tell you how to use your phone....moto is not "Declaring war" on devs....it simply wants to make its phones as secure as possible which from a business standpoint(for a company who wants to remove blackberrys from the market) it makes sense...but at the same time it sucks for us who like to dabble in our phones innards...

and to say the duel core is pointless is just idiotic statement from people AGAIN justifying their current purchases of the tb and what not....when the phones released i guarentee it will be plenty optimized for the duel core...which is have BETTER battery life and will push the phone to limits signle cores simply can not...WITHOUT a custom kernal thats needed for people now on single core phones to underclock for better blife or over clock for speed

im sticking with my og droid until the targa or a similar great phone(possibley galaxy s2 even though its an iphone clone which i cant stand) comes out n makes me switch....i will not settle for old techonology simply bc i can load a custom kernal....when i flash roms the main reason besides optimizing my phone(which new phones wont need) is to add taht custom look that i love about androids freedom.....and that my friends can still happen on a locked bootloader

I believe Motorola did declare war on devs - because they told them, and us rooters to go elsewhere. They don't want people hacking their phones getting rid of the bloatware. But you are correct, locking and encrypting the bootloader makes the phone more "secure." But I think that's just something to hide behind for now.

It's DUAL core not DUEL core. And no, there's nothing out there right now, and there probably won't be till next year (from members of this forum's mouths, not just mine) applications to take advantage of dualcore phones. And if they aren't downclocked when not in use, a dualcore phone is going to make the standby time horrific. -- No offense at all, but I don't see how an application that utilizes both cores will have better battery life than single core. If anything, the application will be smoother and faster, but a dualcore processor running at 100% is going to drain a heck of a lot faster than a single core processor. I'm all for performance, but you can't say you'll get better battery life. lol.

You have a good point, I'm not saying you can't enjoy a locked down phone. I, and many many many others choose not to. With a stock kernel on my phone, I had a standby time of 6-10 hours. That's with a SINGLE core phone. With a dualcore, you're not going to see that standby time. Now that I'm rooted with a custom kernel, I've gotten 23 hours of use out of my phone. That's significant.

 

[Preach2k]

again people talkin nonsense....locking the bootloader doesnt tell you how to use your phone....moto is not "Declaring war" on devs....it simply wants to make its phones as secure as possible which from a business standpoint(for a company who wants to remove blackberrys from the market) it makes sense...but at the same time it sucks for us who like to dabble in our phones innards...

and to say the duel core is pointless is just idiotic statement from people AGAIN justifying their current purchases of the tb and what not....when the phones released i guarentee it will be plenty optimized for the duel core...which is have BETTER battery life and will push the phone to limits signle cores simply can not...WITHOUT a custom kernal thats needed for people now on single core phones to underclock for better blife or over clock for speed

im sticking with my og droid until the targa or a similar great phone(possibley galaxy s2 even though its an iphone clone which i cant stand) comes out n makes me switch....i will not settle for old techonology simply bc i can load a custom kernal....when i flash roms the main reason besides optimizing my phone(which new phones wont need) is to add taht custom look that i love about androids freedom.....and that my friends can still happen on a locked bootloader

All I can say is Thank You!!! You are 100% right!!! The Bionic will probably be released with Ginger bread or upgrade soon to Honeycomb Ginger Bread Blend which is Ice cream sandwich.. You must understand that the development community is just 20% of those who purchase Smart phones. The other 80% does not care. So who does he think The companies will listen to?

 

[BigMcGuire]

All I can say is Thank You!!! You are 100% right!!!

How is he 100% right? Not only did he misspell dual but you aren't going to get better battery life with a dualcore phone vs a singlecore phone. I'd argue better performance, but you're wrong arguing better battery life like he did.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Btw... I respect your guys opinions. Don't think I don't. I realize not everyone is like me. I'd buy you all beers/drinks if you were here. Just stating opinions ok?

I don't think I'm justifying my thunderbolt purchase because when dualcore phones come out, I'm gunna get one .

 

[chris420o]

bigmcguire...this isnt a classroom...im at work n shouldnt be bs'n on a website so i type fast n get my point across...if my spelling bothers you dont read my post

back to the topic on hand EVERYTHING ive read as justifyed my statement and yours is all opinion...duel core can handle processes better by runnin two cores at significantly lower speeds then one core at top speed to get the same thing done...that my friend saves battery life...also when you have for example one core concentrating on the display and one core concentrating on the apps, your phone will function better(better speed/optimization/and power consumption)...why do you think computers are so much more efficiant with multi core designs then single ones? use your head

 

[chris420o]

Btw... I respect your guys opinions. Don't think I don't. I realize not everyone is like me. I'd buy you all beers/drinks if you were here. Just stating opinions ok?

I don't think I'm justifying my thunderbolt purchase because when dualcore phones come out, I'm gunna get one .

now i feel bad...all love kid lol

 

[JohnAP2]

Glad I jumped on the Thunderbolt bandwagon and upgraded from the D1! I was tempted to wait for the Bionic, but such could be said for any phone the way technology improves so quickly. One month you have the best and the next it's antiquated.

 

[Preach2k]

All I can say is Thank You!!! You are 100% right!!!

How is he 100% right? Not only did he misspell dual but you aren't going to get better battery life with a dualcore phone vs a singlecore phone. I'd argue better performance, but you're wrong arguing better battery life like he did.

Motorola has always been better then HTC with Battery life.. Motorola has a battery Manager to help with Battery life. Dual core does not use the Battery like single cores does It uses lees of the Battery then single cores does. My question to you is you do not think that HTC will not follow suit in this next year with Locked encrypted Boot loaders. then you guys are in for a rude awakening.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Btw... I respect your guys opinions. Don't think I don't. I realize not everyone is like me. I'd buy you all beers/drinks if you were here. Just stating opinions ok?

I don't think I'm justifying my thunderbolt purchase because when dualcore phones come out, I'm gunna get one .

now i feel bad...all love kid lol

Not a problem, apologies for being the spelling police, I hate people that do that.

I hope you're right about the dual core being better battery life and providing a better smoother android experience. I'm hoping on that too. The way I see it now is that the Droids CPU goes to 100% whenever an app says "I want to use the CPU" and most stock kernels run at 100% all the time and never downclock thus resulting in horrible standby time. Lets hope Motorola Devs realize this is why a lot of us root and implement that in their dualcore phones.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Motorola has always been better then HTC with Battery life.. Motorola has a battery Manager to help with Battery life. Dual core does not use the Battery like single cores does It uses lees of the Battery then single cores does. My question to you is you do not think that HTC will not follow suit in this next year with Locked encrypted Boot loaders. then you guys are in for a rude awakening.

"Motorola has always been better then HTC with Battery life." Agreed.
HTC will eventually have locked/encrypted bootloaders. Agreed.
Dualcore phones use less battery than single core. Really? How? This I want to know. If it's true then :icon_ banana: but I would assume the opposite.

I've used SetCPU with my Droid 1 and Thunderbolt. And whenever an app tolls the CPU, the CPU instantly jumps up to the highest clock (100%). It isn't like a PC where the CPU is at 20%. That's my observations.