2.1 still doesn't fix basic bugs

[adrynalyne]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. You buy a phone for what it is, not for what it might become. If you bought the phone and kept it knowing these issues bother you, thats egg on YOUR face. 30 days is more than enough to notice such things. The whining about the deficiencies you accepted in the first place is silly.

If you are so unhappy with a device that you feel the need to carry on about it on the internet, then maybe the device isn't for you.

Accept the device or get another. It really is that simple of a decision.

 

[cereal killer]

Slinky I'm not being argumentative or trying to be a smart arse but you should probably move onto a different device.

The Droid is causing you too many problems that are not worth it.

There are other devices that would probably serve your needs better.

Your list of complaints is long and those things will not be changing.

I say move onto a different phone and be happy. No phone is worth the aggravation you are experiencing.

 

[dodgersrgood]

Well lets see, I have a phone button on my screen that takes me straight to the dialer with one push (just like everyone else),

Really? Do you have that phone button ALWAYS available on your screen or are you just trying to be sarcastic but fail to have your facts straight? Unless I'm on the home screen, I have no way to immediately click to use the phone application. I'm stuck with using Voice Dialer/Search which isn't a solution on noisy city streets. And then it's click, click, click...




in the market theres an app called button shortcuts and u can change what the longpress of the search/camera button do

 

[pudah]

Really? Do you have that phone button ALWAYS available on your screen or are you just trying to be sarcastic but fail to have your facts straight? Unless I'm on the home screen, I have no way to immediately click to use the phone application. I'm stuck with using Voice Dialer/Search which isn't a solution on noisy city streets. And then it's click, click, click...

You can use a home replacement application like Helix Launcher and put up to 4 icons on the bottom of every home screen, including a phone link. Before using Helix I simply put a phone and messaging app link on each home screen. You could do the same with contacts if you like. Problem solved.

Perhaps you're using an iPhone or Blackberry.
1. Making a call requires you to navigate to the phone button to make a call. It's never a one button press. For me and everyone else it is at least three if you aren't on the home screen. Two presses on the home hard button and then one to launch the phone button.

See above.

2. Answering a call is not a simple button press. You have to do this ridiculous swipe. If you've been working out or your hands might be a little greasy, just finishing this task is a chore and you can miss calls. I cannot understand any reason for this stupid swipe, which sometimes doesn't complete my first "swipe" or it lags so I keep swiping to make sure the phone answers. Do you have a different system we should know about? Is there a reason I can't press an "answer call button?"

You can answer it with the press of a button when the phone is not locked. When the phone is locked the swipe is used so you don't accidentally unlock, or in this case, answer the phone in your pocket or in an otherwise unintended way. I believe there are apps out there to remove the lock screen, use 1 touch answering all the time, etc. Just like I mentioned above, you can change a lot of things with Android. It's not perfect, but MOST issues can be worked around one way or another. You have to determine if the ones that cant outweigh all of the other benefits for your personal wants & needs.

3. Ending a call is not done in a push button unless you're in the call. Do a search here and find how many people didn't realize their call was not ended. The Droid is the most unreliable phone and I usually need to make sure the call is ended. While there is no hard button, at least I can understand that I can pull down the alerts and get back to the phone screen easily and then click the end call button. Now why couldn't I answer my calls the same way?

Just because something is different and/or you're not used to it doesn't make it flawed. It may not be the method for you, but it works just fine. I didn't like it at first because I wasn't used to it. Now I am and it's fine. 99% of my calls are such that all I am doing is talking, so to end the call I simply move the phone away from my face and push the end button. That couldn't be any more simple. If you are using the device while on a call you have to remember that it is now a computing device and not just a phone. Just like a computer, you need to go back into the program you minimized to close it. Your computer keyboard doesn't have a "Close Windows Media Player" button, so if you are listening to music, minimize it and open your browser, and then want to close the music app, you need to either bring that app back up or run through some shortcuts/commands. If you minimize a call, and want to go back to it, you need to navigate back to the call. If you can't deal with this then a smart phone probably isn't right for you. It would be nice to have a phone button, but it doesn't, so you have to adapt to that. Honestly, I use the 4 soft keys way more than I would use a phone button, so I get why they chose the ones they did, and more might start to get crowded. Perhaps the next version will have a diffrerent hardware design and can accomodate more functions like this with less of a sleek look.

No, you're just too lazy to actually have a work day that means something, evidently. My minutes are more important to use than going to a log to manually delete any of the 40+ calls I get or make. I never had to delete the log before so why should I bother now? If the log worked properly like every other phone this wouldn't be an issue. Read the problem below.

This simply isn't true of "every other phone". A LOT of phones use the same or a similar call log structure. Personally, I find it annoying too, but a lot of people don't. As with most of the issues, though, it can be customized both with internal settings and new applications, solving your issue. The whole point of Android is the ability to change and replace things, so if you aren't comfortable with that, you should again consider a different phone.

I guess the big problem is that people like you suffer from a lack of reading comprehension skills. The problem is NOT that the phone needs to display the exact time and date instantly. The problem is that the words "yesterday" and "two days ago" and "three days ago" do NOT refer to the days of the week, which is how every phone works. Instead, "two days ago" means "48-72 hours ago" which can mean Tuesday or Wednesday instead of simply "Wednesday" as is the way people speak around the globe. Accept it.

Or better yet, why don't you tell people that you'll meet them "tomorrow" but show up on Sunday instead of Saturday because to you "tomorrow" meant some time in the next 24-48 hours and not the next week day?

This isn't exclusive to the droid, and though annoying, it is such a minor issue compared to the benefits of the phone. There are options for customization, though, so perhaps it's a non-issue. I can see how it might bother people more than it does me, though.

@ BayouFlyFisher - we've long discussed the issue about installed the ugly but more effective phone dialer replacement application. My entire complaint with Android has been that I've had to waste countless hours to replace every stock application on the phone because they are so pitiful. We should not have to rely efforts of small private developers to hope they do what any phone operating system should provide stock and do well.

I think you are missing the point of Android entirely. Some people like all of the default components, others like some, yet other people like different parts, and some people like none of them. For the most part you are able to change, customize, create and configure them as you see fit. If I buy ANY other phone there are going to be just as many things I don't like. I may shop around trying to find the one with the least amount of issues to lessen my annoyances with the device, but the fact is that I have to learn to live with them because you are not allowed to change things. With Android you don't have to worry about that. You buy for the physical device and for the Android OS. Almost everything else can be changed as you see fit. They can't make a default OS that will work 100% perfectly for every user and still be ideal in preferences for 100% of users. They get the best all around package and let you change it to your needs. If you'd rather have a phone with it's stock options more in tune with your desires, and no ability to change the things you don't like, get a different phone. Android is for a certain type of user, and for good or bad, it looks like that's not you.

 

[wyz]

Really? Do you have that phone button ALWAYS available on your screen or are you just trying to be sarcastic but fail to have your facts straight? Unless I'm on the home screen, I have no way to immediately click to use the phone application. I'm stuck with using Voice Dialer/Search which isn't a solution on noisy city streets. And then it's click, click, click...

You can use a home replacement application like Helix Launcher and put up to 4 icons on the bottom of every home screen, including a phone link. Before using Helix I simply put a phone and messaging app link on each home screen. You could do the same with contacts if you like. Problem solved.

Perhaps you're using an iPhone or Blackberry.
1. Making a call requires you to navigate to the phone button to make a call. It's never a one button press. For me and everyone else it is at least three if you aren't on the home screen. Two presses on the home hard button and then one to launch the phone button.

See above.

You can answer it with the press of a button when the phone is not locked. When the phone is locked the swipe is used so you don't accidentally unlock, or in this case, answer the phone in your pocket or in an otherwise unintended way. I believe there are apps out there to remove the lock screen, use 1 touch answering all the time, etc. Just like I mentioned above, you can change a lot of things with Android. It's not perfect, but MOST issues can be worked around one way or another. You have to determine if the ones that cant outweigh all of the other benefits for your personal wants & needs.

Just because something is different and/or you're not used to it doesn't make it flawed. It may not be the method for you, but it works just fine. I didn't like it at first because I wasn't used to it. Now I am and it's fine. 99% of my calls are such that all I am doing is talking, so to end the call I simply move the phone away from my face and push the end button. That couldn't be any more simple. If you are using the device while on a call you have to remember that it is now a computing device and not just a phone. Just like a computer, you need to go back into the program you minimized to close it. Your computer keyboard doesn't have a "Close Windows Media Player" button, so if you are listening to music, minimize it and open your browser, and then want to close the music app, you need to either bring that app back up or run through some shortcuts/commands. If you minimize a call, and want to go back to it, you need to navigate back to the call. If you can't deal with this then a smart phone probably isn't right for you. It would be nice to have a phone button, but it doesn't, so you have to adapt to that. Honestly, I use the 4 soft keys way more than I would use a phone button, so I get why they chose the ones they did, and more might start to get crowded. Perhaps the next version will have a diffrerent hardware design and can accomodate more functions like this with less of a sleek look.




This simply isn't true of "every other phone". A LOT of phones use the same or a similar call log structure. Personally, I find it annoying too, but a lot of people don't. As with most of the issues, though, it can be customized both with internal settings and new applications, solving your issue. The whole point of Android is the ability to change and replace things, so if you aren't comfortable with that, you should again consider a different phone.

I guess the big problem is that people like you suffer from a lack of reading comprehension skills. The problem is NOT that the phone needs to display the exact time and date instantly. The problem is that the words "yesterday" and "two days ago" and "three days ago" do NOT refer to the days of the week, which is how every phone works. Instead, "two days ago" means "48-72 hours ago" which can mean Tuesday or Wednesday instead of simply "Wednesday" as is the way people speak around the globe. Accept it.

Or better yet, why don't you tell people that you'll meet them "tomorrow" but show up on Sunday instead of Saturday because to you "tomorrow" meant some time in the next 24-48 hours and not the next week day?

This isn't exclusive to the droid, and though annoying, it is such a minor issue compared to the benefits of the phone. There are options for customization, though, so perhaps it's a non-issue. I can see how it might bother people more than it does me, though.

@ BayouFlyFisher - we've long discussed the issue about installed the ugly but more effective phone dialer replacement application. My entire complaint with Android has been that I've had to waste countless hours to replace every stock application on the phone because they are so pitiful. We should not have to rely efforts of small private developers to hope they do what any phone operating system should provide stock and do well.

I think you are missing the point of Android entirely. Some people like all of the default components, others like some, yet other people like different parts, and some people like none of them. For the most part you are able to change, customize, create and configure them as you see fit. If I buy ANY other phone there are going to be just as many things I don't like. I may shop around trying to find the one with the least amount of issues to lessen my annoyances with the device, but the fact is that I have to learn to live with them because you are not allowed to change things. With Android you don't have to worry about that. You buy for the physical device and for the Android OS. Almost everything else can be changed as you see fit. They can't make a default OS that will work 100% perfectly for every user and still be ideal in preferences for 100% of users. They get the best all around package and let you change it to your needs. If you'd rather have a phone with it's stock options more in tune with your desires, and no ability to change the things you don't like, get a different phone. Android is for a certain type of user, and for good or bad, it looks like that's not you.

same goes for your computer.......comes preloaded with stuff you don't want or need and you alter and look for the stuff you like or want.....same difference

 

[adrynalyne]

If freedom of coice in ui is too massive a responsibility, or an extra tap to make a phonecall, or gleam call info causes you undue stress, get a dumb phone, that isn't a touchscreen. Android isn't for everyone.

 

[pudah]

How sad and pathetic Android is then. It does nothing well except rely upon, with great hope, that third parties can replace every single necessary application on the phone... even the phone's own phone application and log. Do you want to know why many of you have slow phones with bugs and batteries that burn out more quickly than they should? Because you're replacing everything that should be stock and adding numerous "services" that run in the background on your phone. This isn't about "choices." I shouldn't have to buy third party replacements and hope that some kid in a small French village updates the app for new Android updates so that something as important as a phone app works well.

The best selling phones in the market do the basics well - the iPhone and the Blackberry don't really need dialer replacements although Apple needs to add a T9 dialing option to the stock dialer. And on both phones, I can ALWAYS make a call and answer a call at the touch of one button. Isn't that why I bought my phone? Face it... Motorola dropped the ball here and the long awaited 2.1 was mediocre... at best. I'm still not sure what it provided me with other than a few unnecessary apps.

Again, I think you fail to understand the point of Android. It is all about doing just what you're saying you don't want or expect to do. If that's not your cup of tea, don't use Android. If Android changed to be a super refined stock OS with little room for customization it would not be different than any other OS and would not be Android. This type of OS and environment is not for everyone, and clearly not for you. Buy a new phone. Android should not be expected to change for people like you because it is not intended for people like you. That isn't a judgement of you, but an observation. Most of the things you've pointed out are not flaws, but preferences, and replacing components is what the open source Android is all about. I am just repeating myself now, so if you don't get it just please move on.

2.1 was long awaited and a downer for so many people not because Motorola over-hyped it or because it failed to deliver any promises. Too many people in places like this put such ridiculous hopes on it, and expected things that never were going to happen. When reality came around it was a disappointment to them, but that's from having such high, and false expecations to begin with.

Yes, there are flaws, and there is plenty of room for improvement, but overall it's an amazing device with an amazing OS and far from a failure as you're depicting it.


The design of Android (Linux) is such that replacing applications, running services, etc., really shouldn't be an issue with your battery or memory, so it's fine to replace things. It is designed that way, expected and intended. You're stuck thinking about this as if it's another phone or computer OS. It works differently and thus is capable of different things. I've replaced a lot of stock applications and run a lot of services and it has not affected my battery or performance in the slightest. Sometimes an application is buggy, runs too much, uses services, etc., and that can drain the battery or mess with the system, but that's an issue with the particular application and is corrected either by the devloper in the form of an update or by deleting/replacing it with something else. The point is that you have choices, which you do NOT have with an iPhone or Blackberry.

If you want an iPhone or a Blackberry, buy an iPhone or a Blackberry. Don't buy a Droid and expect it to run like an iPhone or Blackberry in it's stock form. That is a ridiculous expecatation. It's just like anything you build yourself. It's not going to be just like the pre-fab right out of the box.

Thank you for proving my point. So

(1) I can answer the phone the way I want BUT I need to turn off the lock screen.
(2) Wait... I CANT turn off the lock screen in the OS itself? With all that fanfare of a 2.1 update and I STILL can't do this?
(3) Oh... you think there is an app... thank the heavens some other person decided to write an app that will disable the operating system from running the way it does so a service can run indefinitely because Google and/or Motorola can't add an "IF" statement to the OS to say "is the lock screen on or off?"
(4) Actually, you're wrong. The swipe is still required even if my phone is unlocked.

Im not trying to debate anything with you. Im pointing out the flaws in your expecations for what this phone is and what it's supposed to be. Your logic bffles me and I'm not going to argue about how the code could have been written. There are things that could be done better with the stock OS, and things that could be a lot worse. This is true of ANY phone. However, unlike other phones, you CAN change things. Broken record anyone?

For many months there was no effective way to do something as turning off the lock screen and it doesn't always work for me either. I snipped the rest of your post. All these things are a workaround for items that should be fixed within a year's time. I hate to say it, but Androids detractors are right. Much of the OS looks and feels choppy because users are spending time and money hoping someone writes an application that runs as a service to defeat the OS' tasks it does by default. 2.1 is a major update and you still can't turn off something as obvious as the lock screen?

Well it hasn't been a year yet, it's been about 4 months. There has been 1 minor and 1 major update in that time. How long did it take for your precious Blackberry to update the Storm?

As I mentioned before, it's not the fault of Motorola or Google for people having ridiculously high expecations and low patience for these updates. I too wish some other things were fixed, and that they would be addressed differently, but I don't expect things that aren't promised, and don't think they'll arrive yesterday. Thus I'm not disappointed when the things that weren't promised don't arrive. I think there are legitimate complaints to be made, but again, that is ture with all phones and devices like this. Those with the Droid are comparatively minor and outweighed, by a GREAT amount, by the many positives of the device and OS.

So what you're saying is you don't really use the phone as a phone a lot. Again, you prove my point. If you buy a phone because it's supposed to be a phone, then you'll be disappointed in the 2.1 update.

Go buy an iPhone.

Name one phone. None of them do and for good reason. I can't think of one phone I've used - and I have had a lot of them. Some people don't find this annoying because they don't really use the phone a lot and are more concerned about 3D gaming, whatever. That's fine but it doesn't change the fact that it's a bug and needs fixing, no matter how much you want to defend Android.

I've had many dumb phones with similar or worse call logs. It is NOT unique to the Droid and I don't know why you think it is. It may not be the same as the iPhone or Blackberry, but it seems that is the scope of your comparissons. That narrow perspective is pretty limiting and condusive to nothing positive. If you really want a phone to act and behave exactly as an iPhone or Blackberry acts and behaves, buy a Blackberry or an iPhone and enjoy it. More power to you for having a device that you enjoy and suits your particular needs. It just happens to be that the Droid, and Android in general, are for a different type of users and has a different set of standards and expectations.

Whatever guys... I get the point that Android is supposed to be adapative, etc. But my point is that Motorola also dropped the ball with the Droid. Instead of being sheep, put the pressure on Motorola to do what HTC does and seems to try to make better products. As much as Apple is an insane, megalomaniacal money machine, at least their efforts do make better products. Their problem is that they insist on doing everything themselves so they can make every single dollar. It results in some very good things with limited flexibility because of the control issues.

Putting pressure on them to do what HTC does makes us sheep because then our phone will be like the HTC, and the point is that it's not like the rest. You fail to grasp the concept that it isn't supposed to be the same as these other devices. If we make it like the other devices then how is it unique? Personally, I like the differences. If I wanted a HTC device, I'd have bought one.

My only point with 2.1 is that it gave users almost no added increases. Obvious bugs and limitations were not fixed or remedied. Quite frankly, I'm still trying to figure out what 2.1 did except seem to add a little extra battery life and the expense of causing my phone to act with greater choppiness and lag.

Well it did a lot of other things, but honestly, it wasn't the second coming of Christ as it was expected to be. However, the high hopes were created by the frenzy of people here and elswhere and not by Motorola or Google. It's not their fault that happened. There are some things I wish they'd fixed or changed, but they weren't promised to be fixed either. I too don't get the hype of 2.1, but I didn't get it from day one and never bought into it, and I'm not even running it to be honest.

 

[slinky]

This type of OS and environment is not for everyone, and clearly not for you. Buy a new phone. Android should not be expected to change for people like you because it is not intended for people like you. That isn't a judgement of you, but an observation. Most of the things you've pointed out are not flaws, but preferences, and replacing components is what the open source Android is all about. I am just repeating myself now, so if you don't get it just please move on.

If most people call "Yesterday" Thursday and not "more than 24 hours ago but could be Wednesday or Thursday", how is Android's doing so not a mistake but a "preference?" Who prefers it this way? What other phone works this way?

The design of Android (Linux) is such that replacing applications, running services, etc., really shouldn't be an issue with your battery or memory, so it's fine to replace things. It is designed that way, expected and intended. You're stuck thinking about this as if it's another phone or computer OS. It works differently and thus is capable of different things. I've replaced a lot of stock applications and run a lot of services and it has not affected my battery or performance in the slightest... Your logic bffles me and I'm not going to argue about how the code could have been written. There are things that could be done better with the stock OS, and things that could be a lot worse. This is true of ANY phone. However, unlike other phones, you CAN change things. Broken record anyone?

Actually, I think it's you who are misinformed. I've read this parroted statement and laughed. Linux does not somehow magically change the laws of physics. What many of these applications do is create a system that has to continuously run in the background and poll in order to use an alternate method to accomplish a task.

There is a lock screen on the phone but no way to turn it off. Even when you're on a call you're STILL stuck with the lock screen going on. Was that a preference too? Why can't you turn off that lock screen like you can turn off GPS or anything else in the preferences?

I think you're the one playing a broken record trying to explain to us how flaws are really just "preferences." They are clearly easily fixed flaws that remain unfixed. Some of this is Google and some of this is hardware specific issues. Considering how quickly HTC was able to provide a lot of great solutions out of the box like Outlook sync standard, an ability to access the phone dialer with an overlay, etc., I'm thinking Motorola is in trouble. They spent all their time and money releasing some crappy new product that doesn't even use Android 2.0 and sells for just a few dollars less?

As others have said, I think Google needs to figure out how to deal with the hardware differences in its phones and fast. Then it has to master the basics which is why I don't see Android becoming a quick replacement to Blackberries in the workplace and competing mostly with the iPhone market. And quite frankly, I'm still shocked at seeing how many bugs remain on the tracker. It's alarming.

 

[spillner]

Well lets see, I have a phone button on my screen that takes me straight to the dialer with one push (just like everyone else),

Really? Do you have that phone button ALWAYS available on your screen or are you just trying to be sarcastic but fail to have your facts straight? Unless I'm on the home screen, I have no way to immediately click to use the phone application. I'm stuck with using Voice Dialer/Search which isn't a solution on noisy city streets. And then it's click, click, click...

The dialer works just as it should, contacts work just like it should. Calling or ending a call are done with the push of one button, how could it be any simpler?

Perhaps you're using an iPhone or Blackberry.
1. Making a call requires you to navigate to the phone button to make a call. It's never a one button press. For me and everyone else it is at least three if you aren't on the home screen. Two presses on the home hard button and then one to launch the phone button.

2. Answering a call is not a simple button press. You have to do this ridiculous swipe. If you've been working out or your hands might be a little greasy, just finishing this task is a chore and you can miss calls. I cannot understand any reason for this stupid swipe, which sometimes doesn't complete my first "swipe" or it lags so I keep swiping to make sure the phone answers. Do you have a different system we should know about? Is there a reason I can't press an "answer call button?"

3. Ending a call is not done in a push button unless you're in the call. Do a search here and find how many people didn't realize their call was not ended. The Droid is the most unreliable phone and I usually need to make sure the call is ended. While there is no hard button, at least I can understand that I can pull down the alerts and get back to the phone screen easily and then click the end call button. Now why couldn't I answer my calls the same way?

You can customize the log to delete returned phone calls so your list isn't so big (honestly you never answered my question of how your missing 30+ phone calls on a cell phone). Your just too lazy to use it the way its set up. Not to mention theirs an app to make it the way you want.

No, you're just too lazy to actually have a work day that means something, evidently. My minutes are more important to use than going to a log to manually delete any of the 40+ calls I get or make. I never had to delete the log before so why should I bother now? If the log worked properly like every other phone this wouldn't be an issue. Read the problem below.

I guess the big problem is that if you had just asked "is their a way to get the call log to display the exact time of each call without selecting each individual call?" you would have gotten 1-2 posts telling you about dialer one (which is free) and that would have been that, instead you continued to b***h about it even after the solution was given. How many other phones let you change the stock dialer and call log? Can't be too many. If this phone is too much for you then go back to BB or switch to an iPhone, Apple makes sure they accommodate to the lowest common denominator.

I guess the big problem is that people like you suffer from a lack of reading comprehension skills. The problem is NOT that the phone needs to display the exact time and date instantly. The problem is that the words "yesterday" and "two days ago" and "three days ago" do NOT refer to the days of the week, which is how every phone works. Instead, "two days ago" means "48-72 hours ago" which can mean Tuesday or Wednesday instead of simply "Wednesday" as is the way people speak around the globe. Accept it.

Or better yet, why don't you tell people that you'll meet them "tomorrow" but show up on Sunday instead of Saturday because to you "tomorrow" meant some time in the next 24-48 hours and not the next week day?

@ BayouFlyFisher - we've long discussed the issue about installed the ugly but more effective phone dialer replacement application. My entire complaint with Android has been that I've had to waste countless hours to replace every stock application on the phone because they are so pitiful. We should not have to rely efforts of small private developers to hope they do what any phone operating system should provide stock and do well.

Just get rid of the phone and stop posting on here. Its not for you, this phone is too much for you to handle. Pudah made excellent points on why the phone is the way it is and it just proves that you didn't do any sort of thinking when you wrote your bullsh*t down. As far as my "job not meaning anything", number of phone calls you recieve is hardley relevant to how important your job is. I'm a PT/AT, I help people recover from serious injuries, I've also saved lives in my career, don't you ever tell me my job doesn't matter. Your probably just a suit, a meaningless number somewhere.

You'll notice that no one here is taking your side on these non-issues, because that what they are.

I'll spell out the solutions for you (since you can't seem to read them here in this thread)

1) call log issue: Dialer One
2) Dialer button issue: Helix, home ++ (both free and put a dedicated phone button on all screens)
3) Answering a call while locked: Just swipe the damn phone, I'd hate to hear you bi*ch about the phone being answered while in your pocket, takes less that .25sec to do this.

The amount of time your "wasting" using the stock apps is mere second or two. You have the time.

**MOD EDIT**

 

[slinky]

If freedom of coice in ui is too massive a responsibility, or an extra tap to make a phonecall, or gleam call info causes you undue stress, get a dumb phone, that isn't a touchscreen. Android isn't for everyone.

The best way to say "I really like my phone and I don't care what you think."

Many of us actually use the Droid as a phone - incredible as it may seem. We accept it as it is but do have reasonable expectations that someone will listen and do something about it over the course of time. So far, we've seen live wallpapers after all that time. Riveting. Perhaps by 2011 you'll be able to turn off the lock screen and will have all Google Mobile apps come preloaded. I shiver in anticipation of the 2.2 update.

 

[slinky]

**MOD EDIT**

What makes me laugh are all these guys who think that a public forum is their own back yard. Someone expresses an opinion other than theirs in ONE thread and they feel COMPELLED to run them out of town. I've even given you answers why relying on third parties (sometimes high school kids) isn't a solution that I think is appropriate for a world class operating system. Yes, I know all about every application but you seem unable to accept that it isn't a solution (and myLock still doesn't work all the time and Home++ slows down my droid and I seem to have more crashes.)

Maybe your foul mouth might work at your home. Try this - use that life of yours to read another thread instead of getting angry here in this single thread. I have as much a right to post my opinion as you do to ignore what other people are saying.

 

[BayouFlyFisher]

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If most people call "Yesterday" Thursday and not "more than 24 hours ago but could be Wednesday or Thursday", how is Android's doing so not a mistake but a "preference?" Who prefers it this way? What other phone works this way?

The design of Android (Linux) is such that replacing applications, running services, etc., really shouldn't be an issue with your battery or memory, so it's fine to replace things. It is designed that way, expected and intended. You're stuck thinking about this as if it's another phone or computer OS. It works differently and thus is capable of different things. I've replaced a lot of stock applications and run a lot of services and it has not affected my battery or performance in the slightest... Your logic bffles me and I'm not going to argue about how the code could have been written. There are things that could be done better with the stock OS, and things that could be a lot worse. This is true of ANY phone. However, unlike other phones, you CAN change things. Broken record anyone?

Actually, I think it's you who are misinformed. I've read this parroted statement and laughed. Linux does not somehow magically change the laws of physics. What many of these applications do is create a system that has to continuously run in the background and poll in order to use an alternate method to accomplish a task.

There is a lock screen on the phone but no way to turn it off. Even when you're on a call you're STILL stuck with the lock screen going on. Was that a preference too? Why can't you turn off that lock screen like you can turn off GPS or anything else in the preferences?

I think you're the one playing a broken record trying to explain to us how flaws are really just "preferences." They are clearly easily fixed flaws that remain unfixed. Some of this is Google and some of this is hardware specific issues. Considering how quickly HTC was able to provide a lot of great solutions out of the box like Outlook sync standard, an ability to access the phone dialer with an overlay, etc., I'm thinking Motorola is in trouble. They spent all their time and money releasing some crappy new product that doesn't even use Android 2.0 and sells for just a few dollars less?

As others have said, I think Google needs to figure out how to deal with the hardware differences in its phones and fast. Then it has to master the basics which is why I don't see Android becoming a quick replacement to Blackberries in the workplace and competing mostly with the iPhone market. And quite frankly, I'm still shocked at seeing how many bugs remain on the tracker. It's alarming.[/QUOTE]

Earlier I said I didn't understand your continuing to argue about issues concerning some lack of functionality when that functionality could be delivered via installation of an app. Well now I understand exactly what you really want, and apparently need: "YOU'RE RIGHT AND WE'RE ALL WRONG. GOOGLE IS WRONG, MOTOROLA IS WRONG. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT!" There, someone said it. Do you feel better?

 

[slinky]

Earlier I said I didn't understand your continuing to argue about issues concerning some lack of functionality when that functionality could be delivered via installation of an app. Well now I understand exactly what you really want, and apparently need: "YOU'RE RIGHT AND WE'RE ALL WRONG. GOOGLE IS WRONG, MOTOROLA IS WRONG. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT!" There, someone said it. Do you feel better?

Who is "all" - you and a handful of other people who feel insecure that someone pointed out some flaws in the Droid that remain unfixed? I didn't realize that you are a Google employee and run the bug reporting for them too. Apparently you forgot to remove them from the reports and the similar complaints by other people.

If it helps you guys, all of these anomalies are "features" of the Droid, just like shorter battery life. You can buy an extended battery from Seidio and solve the problem. - see, it's freedom of choice!

 

[adrynalyne]

If freedom of coice in ui is too massive a responsibility, or an extra tap to make a phonecall, or gleam call info causes you undue stress, get a dumb phone, that isn't a touchscreen. Android isn't for everyone.

The best way to say "I really like my phone and I don't care what you think."

Many of us actually use the Droid as a phone - incredible as it may seem. We accept it as it is but do have reasonable expectations that someone will listen and do something about it over the course of time. So far, we've seen live wallpapers after all that time. Riveting. Perhaps by 2011 you'll be able to turn off the lock screen and will have all Google Mobile apps come preloaded. I shiver in anticipation of the 2.2 update.

Well, I am not gonna lie, I do like my phone. But I am serious...if Android is not making you happy, and choice of UI pisses you off, etc., then move on!

I'm very proactive in things. If there is something I don't like about a device, and I cannot change it, I will move to a different device.

Point in case, I am running my own compiled from source Android, along with kernel. Before Android, I was tweaking the heck out of Blackberries to do what I want. Before that, Samsung Omnias.

So, if you aren't able to accept the OS for what it is, and are unable to make it do what you want and be happy, move on.

Crying in your beer about an extra screen tap is not going to solve anything. Hit Google and the cell manufacturers in the pocket book. Money talks, BS walks.

What has been described in this thread by the folks complaining has all been addressed in dumb phones. So why stress out? Leave Android to those who like it.

 

[adrynalyne]

Actually, I think it's you who are misinformed. I've read this parroted statement and laughed. Linux does not somehow magically change the laws of physics. What many of these applications do is create a system that has to continuously run in the background and poll in order to use an alternate method to accomplish a task.

You apparently don't know how Android or Linux works.