A Plan For A Brighter Android Future

[WugFresh]

Nice write up. I hear you are looking for me but your method of asking for assistance while at the same time saying you don't believe anyting I've said is very tacky, your very thread is based on the premise that what I have said is true.


"I also forgot to mention that I don't think that any of this is happening right now and I don't believe anything P3Droid says whatsoever. But you guys are free to form your own opinions on that. I don't want to derail this thread to much, but I did start this whole plan in response to his android apocalypse thread. My general opinion about what is going on is that service providers don't want root users and are thinking of how they can phase that out but nothing is concrete. But I don't think they are tracking me, and I think we can still tether. At this point P3Droid has lost all credibility to me. Until he provides one piece of solid information then I refuse to believe anything he says. I'll take his OS leaks though those are tangible at least."

I do not care what you believe or what others who are not in the know believe, I put it out there for you formulate your own opinion.

As for your write up, remember I've consistently stated since October of last year that this is not confined to one carrier or manufacturer, this is industry wide.

Wow. I think that is the first full comment I have ever heard from you. And I agree with you entirely about my approach for contacting you. I also believe that I was being a hippocrate and that my entire thread was based on the idea that you were telling the truth.

But you telling me vauge information and syndicating your empty threatening nonsense on twitter, refusing to answer any direct questions, and just being an all around dismissive and arrogant person, makes you absolutely useless to any cause.

You are "in the know" except you treat the community like you couldn't care less about how they actually feel. Why not share some knowledge rather than flaunt your exclusive status. Why not check your over sized ego and stop treating the community as people beneath you but rather your peers.

I believe that you are on both sides of the fence, therefore I believe that your interest oppose.

I believe that if you actually cared then you would take the time to answer people's questions, and I believe that you would change your disgustingly arrogant and disrespectful tone.

How did you help the community may I ask? You sent them into a frenzy and then got people to stop tethering because of your personal interest, when you very well know that the updated baseband will make your patch obsolete.

I believe that your comment about how you don't care about what people think, sums up my opinion about you being an asset vs. just being an ass.

If you want to help, then start by treating your followers with some respect, change your elitist viewpoint of yourself, and most importantly, explain your statements. Back up your claims. And when people ask you something that you don't know the answer to, then respond to them saying that.

Stop these guessing games. Stop treating everyone like garbage. I cannot believe that people still respect you after the way you present yourself.

If my plan doesn't succeed. I hope at least I get you to stop your inconsiderate and disrespectful way of addressing an entire community in search for answers.

Send out messages with substance.

Stop fear mongoring.

Stop treating us like we are worth nothing to you.

If we are... and you are too good for us because you are "in the know" and we aren't, then keep it to yourself because you obviously don't give a *bleep* about helping if can't even answer a direct question, and just ignore how everyone feels.

You have thoroughly made your point regarding how you don't care and we can just formulate our own opinions. Well I have formulated my opinion and I think that you are responsible for scaring more people then helping them.

Stick to OS Leaks, or change the way you distribute leaked "info."

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[Dr. Carpenter]

I think we all collectively need to take more respectful look at what p3droid has actually done for the community... so easily people forget the work he did in the OG Droid community. the guy has been around for quite a while and every ROM my droid X has run has been based off one of his leaks... And to reference the post p3droid put out about the carriers the other day, if you took that as an incitement of hate or fear. I urge you to look in the mirror and see if those feeling were not already present before that blogpost was put up. The information he put out though cautionary at best, was simply a relay of information recieved. I am not so quick to flame the messenger in this instance.

Now I would also like to weigh in on what I feel is the most consolidated plan of action concerning the discrimination put to the root community by the carriers.

I am extremely excited to throw my support behind this call to action. and will help in any way am able. I believe WugFresh hit a bullseye. Carriers only answer to one thing... $$$$. Because of the relative success of the android platform, it is no longer in our power to use the might of the dollar against a particular manufacturer, because (as p3droid said, and evidence shows(HTC thunderbolt signed images&kernel)) all manufacturers seem to be headed toward this root locked mentality. So we must turn our focus on the carriers. And lets be honest they have us at an EXTREME advantage. ie: two year contracts, lack of viable competition(meaning a limited number of wireless carriers), the ever growing demand for higher powered data capable devices, etc... The only true recourse we have is to match or exceed the monetary input of those that are not part of the Root Community, and provide assurance of safety from negligent users who abuse resources such as warranties. To do this we as a community need clear resources at our disposal to unbrick a device, to turn to with questions... This is all stated very concisely in the OP. Kudos to you WugFresh I applaud your initiative and the completeness of your plan of action. with upward thinks such as these we will surely win this battle for Root control over the devices we buy.

+1 it seems that too many threads are turning into "bash the guys who tell us the stuff we don't want to hear." I defended p3 in a different thread and was called a sycophant lol. I respect what he has done for this community and give his information the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise. And to be honest, his food for thought post merely confirmed what I have suspected for some time. It made no sense to me to assume that we could root, rom, and do whatever else without them knowing. Think about it... every time you wipe data and load a new rom or sbf, you reconnect with your Google account, re-download your apps, etc. Not to mention that we have paid for root only apps in the market.
Aside from that, I'm very impressed with what wug has put together. Its refreshing to see someone put some serious thought into finding a middle ground between the community and the carriers. I'm behind you 110%. Keep it up, I'm starting to have some hope that truly unlocked devices can be a reality again.

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[IceAngel8381]

Very impressive!!

I like the idea of "Data Roll Over" . We all have months where we use less than other months and more than other months.

 

[josh.zechman]

WOW my eyeballs hurt. Really good write up and a great plan of action. My 2¢. Why not charge more for a phone that can be rooted? I know I would spend a little extra up front to be able to root my phone. If that was brought up already nevermind.

sent while hiding in the bathroom at work

 

[kptphalkon]

Im not bashing P3droid, I'm not saying either side whether his sources are credible or not, I'm not overlooking his work with TBH. I'm stating my opinion from what I observed when he put that post up. Huge rants about rooted tethering sparsed with hated words about carriers and manufacturers, people thinking their phones could potentially become kicked off the network, etc. Your goal was to inform us, congratulations. You also sparked fear, uncertainty, and heated debates over something that you refuse to substantiate.

 

[goblueboy]

Wow. I think that is the first full comment I have ever heard from you. And I agree with you entirely about my approach for contacting you. I also believe that I was being a hippocrate and that my entire thread was based on the idea that you were telling the truth.

But you telling me vauge information and syndicating your empty threatening nonsense on twitter, refusing to answer any direct questions, and just being an all around dismissive and arrogant person, makes you absolutely useless to any cause.

You are "in the know" except you treat the community like you couldn't care less about how they actually feel. Why not share some knowledge rather than flaunt your exclusive status. Why not check your over sized ego and stop treating the community as people beneath you but rather your peers.

I believe that you are on both sides of the fence, therefore I believe that your interest oppose.

I believe that if you actually cared then you would take the time to answer people's questions, and I believe that you would change your disgustingly arrogant and disrespectful tone.

How did you help the community may I ask? You sent them into a frenzy and then got people to stop tethering because of your personal interest, when you very well know that the updated baseband will make your patch obsolete.

I believe that your comment about how you don't care about what people think, sums up my opinion about you being an asset vs. just being an ass.

If you want to help, then start by treating your followers with some respect, change your elitist viewpoint of yourself, and most importantly, explain your statements. Back up your claims. And when people ask you something that you don't know the answer to, then respond to them saying that.

Stop these guessing games. Stop treating everyone like garbage. I cannot believe that people still respect you after the way you present yourself.

If my plan doesn't succeed. I hope at least I get you to stop your inconsiderate and disrespectful way of addressing an entire community in search for answers.

Send out messages with substance.

Stop fear mongoring.

Stop treating us like we are worth nothing to you.

If we are... and you are too good for us because you are "in the know" and we aren't, then keep it to yourself because you obviously don't give a **** about helping if can't even answer a direct question, and just ignore how everyone feels.

You have thoroughly made your point regarding how you don't care and we can just formulate our own opinions. Well I have formulated my opinion and I think that you are responsible for scaring more people then helping them.

Stick to OS Leaks, or change the way you distribute leaked "info."

{{ WugFresh }}

I completely agree with this, I do not hate P3Droid. I do not hate anyone in the android community. He has done a lot of for a multitude of phones and my droid x lives better with these tools and tweaks. But when you release information that doesn't have a source to back it up and a way to prove it you could be labeled as bad as what nenold had done. No this isn't as big of a deal as what nenold had done but it marks up with it. It's really hard to believe people now a days if they don't have information to back it up. This isn't 300 BC where if you were powerful and inflectional people believed you for whatever you said. All I am saying is that if P3Droid were to distribute viable information I wouldn't be so skeptical about this. I don't even tether my phone, so really I have no fear in this but when I see it react to the community like this it has scared people so much they completely SBF'd back to 2.2.1 which isn't necessary.

 

[WugFresh]

WOW my eyeballs hurt. Really good write up and a great plan of action. My 2¢. Why not charge more for a phone that can be rooted? I know I would spend a little extra up front to be able to root my phone. If that was brought up already nevermind.

sent while hiding in the bathroom at work

Yes. All of the calculated components will serve to figure out how much more money will be needed to offset the increased expenses on the providers end.

Weather that comes in the form of a variable cost.. as in a mariginal increase to the month to month bill, or a fixed cost, tacked on to the initial purchase, is something to be determined. It may be a combination of both. Regardless, yes.. there will have to be price increases somewhere to offset the cost.

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[kptphalkon]

I'm starting to think all this was a scare tactic for him to try and cover his ass for stealing pre-builds and hacking paid services. Whoops look at me, I'm being mean again :/

 

[mikejs78]

Wugfresh,

First I want to say that your OP is dead on and has a lot of great ideas, and is probably the best way forward to tackling this problem, and I am full on-board with it. However, I feel that your animosity towards P3Droid are damaging to the cause and risk splintering the community at the time when we all need to unify together. P3Droid has done a lot for the community, and he has a lot of supporters. By attacking him you also risk alienating them. You may choose to believe him or not, but also consider that we don't know the situation he is in and the consequences he may face if he reveals too much. Given his long-standing position in the community, I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I think we all just need to call a truce and stop calling each other out, and focus on the real issue - the carriers. P3 is not our enemy, and neither are you, WugFresh. The carriers and manufacturers are, and they need to be persuaded. By provoking P3, I am afraid you may be damaging the chances of success. So let's all take a deep breath, relax, put this behind us, and focus on the real issues and the plan in the OP. Agreed?

 

[WugFresh]

I have no interest in alienating anyone and I think that if P3Droid were on board he would be the most valuable asset to the team. But he has ...... and I refuse to work with people who have given me no reason to trust their intentions. I can only judge a man based on his actions. P3Droid has acted irresponsibly and has been very disrespectful to a lot of people.

I would put aside all of my differences if there was any indication that things could change.

I respect the work P3Droid has done and I am loving GB leak. But just because you do things that are good, doesn't give you a free license to be an absolute ass the rest of the time.

I really wish that P3Droid was not the way I perceive him to be. But I do, and I am not just because everyone else does. Your only as valuable as your willingness to help and your ability to communicate effectively. If your intentions are unclear and your attitude isn't freindly, then why should I trust you or want to work with you?

@P3Droid
Email me lots of leaked primary documents and I will wash my mouth out with soap and never question your intentions again.

{{ WugFresh }}

 

[ClumsyNinja21]

Let's keep the p3 opinions seperate as it distracts from the op.

That said I like the write up. However, I fear all carriers have the human element that feeds into them feeling a need to be in control. As in, what they say goes. They can successfully say it's our way or no way. This idea banks on another carrier taking a gamble on it. Let's not forget, more options=more cost. If this idea were implented, the carrier would have to invest in it on a risk against cost cutting measures that they already know work as we still buy their phones.
I hope this idea can take root, pun intended. I just don't know how much customer care feelings carriers have beyond the $ sign stamped on our contracts.

 

[czerdrill]

Let's keep the p3 opinions seperate as it distracts from the op.

That said I like the write up. However, I fear all carriers have the human element that feeds into them feeling a need to be in control. As in, what they say goes. They can successfully say it's our way or no way. This idea banks on another carrier taking a gamble on it. Let's not forget, more options=more cost. If this idea were implented, the carrier would have to invest in it on a risk against cost cutting measures that they already know work as we still buy their phones.
I hope this idea can take root, pun intended. I just don't know how much customer care feelings carriers have beyond the $ sign stamped on our contracts.

I agree. The plan is great, but I don't know if any carrier would be willing to do something like this, which will undoubtedly cost them more money. I know the goal is to get people who wouldn't normally root to get on board by telling them the benefits. However we can barely get people on this forum to unite, so trying to get people who are not tech saavy to join us and then convince a carrier to change their policies is a long uphill battle. I wish you guys luck though.

And as you mentioned there is no difficulty in getting android phones sold. A carrier would have to decide if it's worth the extra cost for the possibility of getting a few more sold. Hopefully one of them do, but I don't know...

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[ClumsyNinja21]

Let's keep the p3 opinions seperate as it distracts from the op.

That said I like the write up. However, I fear all carriers have the human element that feeds into them feeling a need to be in control. As in, what they say goes. They can successfully say it's our way or no way. This idea banks on another carrier taking a gamble on it. Let's not forget, more options=more cost. If this idea were implented, the carrier would have to invest in it on a risk against cost cutting measures that they already know work as we still buy their phones.
I hope this idea can take root, pun intended. I just don't know how much customer care feelings carriers have beyond the $ sign stamped on our contracts.

I agree. The plan is great, but I don't know if any carrier would be willing to do something like this, which will undoubtedly cost them more money. I know the goal is to get people who wouldn't normally root to get on board by telling them the benefits. However we can barely get people on this forum to unite, so trying to get people who are not tech saavy to join us and then convince a carrier to change their policies is a long uphill battle. I wish you guys luck though.

And as you mentioned there is no difficulty in getting android phones sold. A carrier would have to decide if it's worth the extra cost for the possibility of getting a few more sold. Hopefully one of them do, but I don't know...

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Good point. We assume that because we love to use root capabilities that everyone else would too. Perfect example: my wife looks at what I can do and says that's great. But my phone already does everything and more that I expect so why void my warranty for what I'm not already missing?
Please don't think I'm bashing you wug. I'm just contributing thoughts. I respect your dedication.

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[currentweb]

Bravo, Wug. I take my imaginary hat off to you for this plan. Not only do I believe the plan is near perfect, but I believe it is achievable. This community that has risen over the past two years is incredible, and the fact that corporations are trying to undermine it pisses me off. But at the same time, I completely understand why they are doing this, and you outlined those very reasons in this post. If some carrier, OEM, or even a GoogleDev can see this and be inspired to acknowledge it, we have a chance. I will pay more for a 'Superuser' device, and I would gladly pay more a month for a TRUE unlimited plan. I have been carrier and manufacturer hopping for the last few months, just following the best phones. But any corporation that accepts this challenge will be my one and only.
Now, for my only complaint:
P3Droid has a huge say, and a huge following. We need to come together, as diverse and innovative brethren. Does P3 have an ego? Yeah, a little. But so do I, and so does everyone. Wug, the fighting needs to stop. The community will not be able to handle a secession of Wug-followers from P3-followers. We are all Android-followers, we are One. You two can still dislike each other, but try and tone down both of your rhetorics and get along. We can do amazing things, and make this plan a reality; all we need to do is come together under one green flag.

 

[rudydroid]

not thrilled with the 14 thing.
my x's screen banded after nine weeks and it was pure stock.

rooted, on liberty 2.0.1, slightly oc'd