syndicate0017
Silver Member
You would think. In fact, I hope this applies to unlocked Nexus phones. Please kick me off the network Verizon!
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BREAKING: Motorola Unlocks Your Device Via "Unlock My Device"
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You would think. In fact, I hope this applies to unlocked Nexus phones. Please kick me off the network Verizon!
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MissionImprobable
Silver Member
Doubt it. It says that they will remove the phone, not terminate your contract. You're going in knowing that they might do so for unlocking the bootloader so it's your choice so you really won't have a leg to stand on if they block the device and leave you with a hefty bill for service you can't use.
syndicate0017
Silver Member
But where in my contract does it say the phone can't be unlocked? They kick someone off without a contractual issue then they have to let them off without a termination fee.
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cobravnm13
Senior Member
The fine, fine, fine print at the bottom on the back at the end written in invisible ink.
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Hopefully, they'll unlock the Droid X. It's one of the most popular older devices by Motorola.
MissionImprobable
Silver Member
That would make things simpler, but the real problem with devlopment for pre-ICS phones is that Moto has proprietary drivers for each phone and since they never developed them for the D1/DX/D2/X2 certain things don't work perfectly, noteably the camera. Other than that ICS runs fine on my D2.
they haven't kicked nexus users, rezound users, or samsung galaxy s3 users off their network yet. I think its hot air. Its like when tethering was big a year a go and people were all hyped that vzw will go after them. I called and found out that vzw cares more about money they have smarter ways of handling tethering issues (ie new share plan and blocking tethering). I expect this will happen the same. Vzw will not kick phones off their network unless (maybe) you sim unlock. Vzw is not stupid they know if they was to do something like that they would cause an uproar at a time where they trying to push people to buy and sign up on their new family share plan. I think of this like every year someone comes out with a good idea to make a profit. If the idea works they span on it (meaning if they can convince the customers to buy in). If it fails they try something else. The awesome thing about a free market economy is the consumers dictate terms. Now it may take time but eventually they decide where the market should go. So what does that mean: It means if you do not like what your carrier is feeding you don't buy. That is how you let them know you do not like it. They will either suffer loss or make a change. Constant drops in profit gets people fired (ask motorola's former ceo). Do you think vow is any different?
If you tired of the outrageous cost in plans and locked down devices dont upgrade. Let them know you are willing to go somewhere else if they dont change. Trust me when your contract hits 00 they will be bugging you trying to get you to renew. This is a business decision and you have to approach it like that. Be willing to hold out until you find the best deal for you.
If you tired of the outrageous cost in plans and locked down devices dont upgrade. Let them know you are willing to go somewhere else if they dont change. Trust me when your contract hits 00 they will be bugging you trying to get you to renew. This is a business decision and you have to approach it like that. Be willing to hold out until you find the best deal for you.
wow. As soon as I was starting to get hope for MOTO's business practice, VZW has to make me lose more in theirs... I don't see how VZW thinks it's a bad thing. They should embrace it. Not that everybody roots their Android phones, but it's typically the friend/co-worker know-it-all about smartphones that people ask what they should get. So it would have a positive snowball effect for VZW ithey would play it right...
debrad0307
Member
mustangraptor03 said:
The S3 has a tool to unlock the bootloader too and the VZW people still have service. I highly doubt that VZW would single but moto in a situation like this.
zomnomnombie
Active Member
syndicate0017 said:
It says so in your customer agreement that you agreed to.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...GREEMENT&jspName=footer/customerAgreement.jsp
Under the part where it says under what conditions can Verizon terminate:
"modify your device from its manufacturer's specification"
syndicate0017
Silver Member
I figured someone would reference that line. Is the bootloader REALLY a specification? On a manufacturer's website would a bootloader lock/unlock state be listed in the specs? Nope.
And if you say it is a specification, is installing apps also not voiding the contract? Are you not modifying the device from manufacturer specs? Those apps were not preloaded.
Sorry if I come off douchey, I'm not trying to be. Just this whole stance Verizon is taking and trying to justify is a bunch of bull.
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syndicate0017
Silver Member
What is a bootloader ?
In literal terms, bootloader is code that is executed before any Operating System starts to run. The concept of bootloaders is universal to virtually all Operating systems that inculcates operating systems on your PC, laptop, smartphones, and other such devices. Bootloaders basically package the instructions to boot operating system kernel and most of them also have their own debugging or modification environment. As the bootloader kicks off before any piece of software on your device, it makes it extremely processor specific and every motherboard has it’s own bootloader. This is one reason that all Android phones have different Custom ROMS developed due to high variance of processing hardware present on the device. The iDevices running iOS somewhat share the same hardware specs and hence you don’t see much variance in their bootloaders.
Full article here: http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...-bootloader-on-android-phones-complete-guide/
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zomnomnombie
Active Member
syndicate0017 said:
It's not the unlocked bootloader that is modifying manufacturer specs. It's the part that happens after you unlock. If you install a different OS with a different kernel you have modified the specs.
Installing an app does not modify phone function. Apps function over the OS and hardware specs. They add functionality but don't modify the actual phone.
You're not douchey but it's obvious you understand what they mean by modifying the phone. You're looking for a loophole but it's there in the contract.
And even if it wasn't there's that little part of the agreement that says they can terminate for any reason.
The only way Verizon is going to change their mind is if they see money leaving.