[Breaking]Verizon Plans to Slow Downloads of High Data Users Because of iPhone Launch

[Larry_ThaGr81]

I love the debating here. I don't like the either but what can I do. I think VZW will still wind up suffering in the end because the quality of service will drop just like At&t and customers will complain about it. Customers will now see just how mighty VZW service is.

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[huskerkate]

Keeping my Incredible and ordering the iPhone for my wife this morning.

Makes perfect sense....Android is for porn!

I ain't saying nothin'. :rofl2:

good move! i was gonna tell you to take the 5th (along with myself)...

 

[kodiak799]

Customers will now see just how mighty VZW service is.

If I'm being honest, my 3G speeds are so all over the place I'm not sure I could tell if I was being throttled or if the network was being strained or not.

 

[wingdo]

Customers will now see just how mighty VZW service is.

If I'm being honest, my 3G speeds are so all over the place I'm not sure I could tell if I was being throttled or if the network was being strained or not.

Heh, that I do understand.

 

[huskerkate]

nowhere in that discussion did i mention anything about: doing away with unlimited data altogether[/B], being able to use limitless data, have free limitless data, or have free data, text, and calling. you may have a point to make, but misstating my argument is not the avenue for it.

They what was the point of:
"Did you pay $200/$300/more to VZW for a phone? Yes. Did you sign a contract with VZW? Yes. Did that contract provide for unlimited data? Yes. Have you paid $200 a month for the past X years (like i have)? Yes. but now, VZW can choose to unilaterally alter the terms of the agreement, solely to accomodate potential VZW customers who are not under contract"
if NOT to imply doing away with unlimited data. That is all you talked about there. If your intent was not to imply the doing away with unlimited data, you sorely missed your mark.

I'm just getting tired of this board of late. It's turning into a site like BGR where people go off half cocked not even knowing details of anything but then getting all worked up over things. If VZW plans to throttle data for people using over 200MB of data, yes I will get all bent out of shape. If they plan to throttle data for those using over 25GB, I say go for it if it will ensure the network doesn't degrade like AT&T's did when they took on the iPhone.

Maybe VZW is trying to be proactive her as opposed to AT&T who were woefully prepared for the influx of data caused by the iPhone and ended up being reactive for ages to get their network up to speed.

the topic of this thread is throttling data. that was the topic of my debate. throttling data, by definition, means it is not unlimited. whether or not vzw is doing away with unlimited data plans (a topic discussed elsewhere) has no bearing on the issue i was discussing.

 

[Josefius]

I love the debating here. I don't like the either but what can I do. I think VZW will still wind up suffering in the end because the quality of service will drop just like At&t and customers will complain about it. Customers will now see just how mighty VZW service is.

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I agree, it wasn't so bad back when tech/enterprise users used data, now it's everyone and their grandma. I blame social networking sites like FB and Twitter ect, coupled by the Messiah Steve von Apple and his band of Apple Hipsters. The whole thing disgusts me, though in the end, I'll just have to watch the whirl pool suck me under as the corporate greed machine (VZW) laughs all the way to the bank.

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[wingdo]

Did you sign a contract with VZW? Yes. Did that contract provide for unlimited data? Yes.

???? nowhere in that discussion did i mention anything about: doing away with unlimited data altogether,

the topic of this thread is throttling data. that was the topic of my debate. throttling data, by definition, means it is not unlimited.

 

[Jaxidian]

Nobody has pointed this out, and I'm kind of surprised. But isn't Verizon essentially promising to commit copyright violations? So here is the VZW page that's still up and referenced by that PDF.

A couple points:

All HTTP (Port 80, i.e., World Wide Web) traffic is directed to the optimization process. The direction of traffic to the optimization process is established when the user starts an HTTP data session before any requests for content from a specific web site have been made. Accordingly, content files are not selected for optimization based on the nature of the web content itself or the source or provider of the web content file. All web content files delivered over Port 80, regardless of source, are directed to the optimization process. The system thus captures all Verizon Wireless branded web content delivered from its web servers, and treats such content in the same way as content of the same type requested from non-Verizon Wireless sites on the Internet.

Content files made available on the World Wide Web come in a variety of types (web pages, text, image, video) and formats. The process incorporates several optimization techniques that depend upon the specific type of content file. Specifically, text files are compressed without any loss of information (“lossless”) and cached for subsequent end user requests. Image files (PNG, JPEG, GIF formats, for example) are streamlined to remove colors or other data bits that would not be visible to the human eye, or to end users on a mobile device with limited display resolutions, thereby decreasing the size of the file, and also cached. The output image file reflects “lossy” optimization because some data bits from the original file are lost in the optimization process.

Optimization only captures recorded video files and does not affect live streaming video, e.g., a video conference call. Several optimization techniques are applied to video files: transcoding, caching, and buffer tuning. All are agnostic as to the source or content of the video.

So if I am an artist (or web developer) and I offer Copyrighted digital media online (as essentially every single website online does), then Verizon is essentially declaring that they are going to massively commit copyright infringement in a way that they will profit from it. I, as the artist and copyright holder, don't even have to give Verizon permission to infringe upon my rights - they are going to do it anyways. And what they do is profitable to them and destructive to my art as it, by definition, degrades the quality of my art.

So how is this going to last?

 

[pc747]

VOICE OF REASON:

Like many of you I was upset upon reading this initially but after walking away I came up with a conclusion. First lets be honest majority of us dont even hit 2gbs a month. I tether just like may of you and I use my phone, but to save battery life I dont sync all day and I may hit 2gbs a month. I honerstly dont see how people can burn through 10-15 gbs a month that alone 20. We have been saying all this time that people who are data hogs will impact others and vzw will crack down on it. Now if they are throttling me down and I have not even got to 5gbs a month then you have all rights to be angry. But if you are in that 10-15 gbs range then u should be throttled. No disrespect but just because you dont want to, cant afford, or in an area where you can not get high speed internet through cable or dssl should not mean I , who can, should have to see my service degraded to feed your need. We all seen this coming any way. What was vzw suppose to do, if they follow att and get rid of the unlimited plan then people would complain, but they can not let data hogs slow down every one else. The 5% are those that play xbox and tether like there is no tomorrow and they should be throttled back. Like I was taught in economic, there is no such thing as a free lunch and the 95% who use their data like a smart phone should not see their service degraded for the data hog playing xbox or using their device like a cable modem. I understand using a tethering app to hit up your email every now and then but to go crazy like we have seen some people do is ridiculous. To use the example of the 100 cupcakes, I should not have to see my share go down to 5 cupcakes just because you felt 10 cupcakes was not enough for you today.
Now to vzw catering to the iphone; is it coincidental maybe but some of these changes can be offset any way. The no more upgrades just buy best buy or sign 1 year deals. The throttling back, if you are using THAT much data just go get dsl or cable modem. And the concern of verizon not caring about other customers to cater to apple, sign a 1 year deal to see if that is the case and if you see that you are not getting the same service or treated the same as iphone users let vzw know and go somewhere else.
I think the iphone catering will be the same as the android catering initially, they gonna build off the hype to bring in customers and then business will be as usual. So just ride it out because right now is apple's moment and they will bring in customers, and soon the iphone hype will settle down and we will have android device deals and hype as well.
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[adjangs]

So how is this going to last?

I don't see Verizon's actions as being any different than what direct TV or dish TV does to their content.



I didn't see this posted yet: 4% of Android users on Verizon use more than 2GB per month. So if this 5% rule was fully enforced the cutoff could be 2GB. Android Data Usage Outpaces iPhone | Tech News Daily

 

[czerdrill]

Yes, it MUST be because of the IPhone. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with LTE because VZW couldn't possibly offer unlimited LTE.

Just saying, we did know LTE would bring policy changes and the explosive growth in smartphone presents challenges. Not everything VZW does has to be attributed to the IPhone.

All I'm really seeing is VZW sticking it to customers that they "lose" money on. Not particularly surprising or unexpected. Yeah, the IPhone is a big driver, one of several.

It's not LTE. LTE won't be widely available for two years and there is clearly a higher demand for the iphone then there is for any lte device. They're preparing for all the users they are going to add february tenth.

Not everything has to be attributed to the iphone. This obviously does.

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[czerdrill]

VOICE OF REASON:

Like many of you I was upset upon reading this initially but after walking away I came up with a conclusion. First lets be honest majority of us dont even hit 2gbs a month. I tether just like may of you and I use my phone, but to save battery life I dont sync all day and I may hit 2gbs a month. I honerstly dont see how people can burn through 10-15 gbs a month that alone 20. We have been saying all this time that people who are data hogs will impact others and vzw will crack down on it. Now if they are throttling me down and I have not even got to 5gbs a month then you have all rights to be angry. But if you are in that 10-15 gbs range then u should be throttled. No disrespect but just because you dont want to, cant afford, or in an area where you can not get high speed internet through cable or dssl should not mean I , who can, should have to see my service degraded to feed your need. We all seen this coming any way. What was vzw suppose to do, if they follow att and get rid of the unlimited plan then people would complain, but they can not let data hogs slow down every one else. The 5% are those that play xbox and tether like there is no tomorrow and they should be throttled back. Like I was taught in economic, there is no such thing as a free lunch and the 95% who use their data like a smart phone should not see their service degraded for the data hog playing xbox or using their device like a cable modem. I understand using a tethering app to hit up your email every now and then but to go crazy like we have seen some people do is ridiculous. To use the example of the 100 cupcakes, I should not have to see my share go down to 5 cupcakes just because you felt 10 cupcakes was not enough for you today.
Now to vzw catering to the iphone; is it coincidental maybe but some of these changes can be offset any way. The no more upgrades just buy best buy or sign 1 year deals. The throttling back, if you are using THAT much data just go get dsl or cable modem. And the concern of verizon not caring about other customers to cater to apple, sign a 1 year deal to see if that is the case and if you see that you are not getting the same service or treated the same as iphone users let vzw know and go somewhere else.
I think the iphone catering will be the same as the android catering initially, they gonna build off the hype to bring in customers and then business will be as usual. So just ride it out because right now is apple's moment and they will bring in customers, and soon the iphone hype will settle down and we will have android device deals and hype as well.
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+1

Exactly what I said in my first post in this thread. Very few will be impacted by this and the ones that do probably deserve it haha

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[kodiak799]

It's not LTE. LTE won't be widely available for two years and there is clearly a higher demand for the iphone then there is for any lte device. They're preparing for all the users they are going to add february tenth.

Not everything has to be attributed to the iphone. This obviously does.

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It's not just the IPhone, VZW is going to sell 10M+ Android phones this year, as well...in addition to the 5-10M existing Android users that upgrade. With the AT&T IPhone converts they will probably more than double their smartphone base.

And you are thinking about it wrong. In LTE markets the policy matters. The LTE phones are going to grossly outsell the IPhone in those markets, which is a potential 100M users. And LTE users are going to use a lot more data, and the speed is going to make HDMI out and tethering a lot more attractive. So, yes, LTE absolutely matters in this argument, not to mention it's better to get the policy right from the start rather than risk alienating users in the future with negative changes to terms.

 

[Jaxidian]

So how is this going to last?

I don't see Verizon's actions as being any different than what direct TV or dish TV does to their content.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Do you mean Dish/DirecTV compressing television stations? Or something else? If the former, well, they have agreements with the copyright holders. If something else, then I claim that they very well could be infringing upon my copyright-protected content.

If I serve up BMP files with the license that they are free for personal use and are not to be modified in any way, Verizon (or as you potentially claim, DirecTV and Dish) absolutely violate that license in a way that harms me (by harming the quality of my art) at their own gain (increased bandwidth). That is a very perfect example of copyright infringement. It increases in severity if I am attempting to profit on it and they degrade the quality of my copyrighted content at their own profit. Additionally, I offer that license only to the end user and not even to Verizon. Obviously they have to be in possession of the content, but that gives them absolutely no rights to the content, and especially not rights beyond what I'm offering to my licensed users.

 

[huskerkate]

but this brings us back to the point made by HughJass - how is VZW going to identify and throttle back the throughput speeds of only the top 5% of data users?? the point he was making, and echoed by jkhonea, is that accomplishing this will mean that speeds will have to be throttled back across the board. this means that all of us will be impacted, doesn't it???