how can i get gingrerbread back, webtop 3.0 is a joke

[brucefulton]

Yeah, I posted that webtop was effectively neutered in another thread and got reamed from people who, quixotically, actually like the upgrade. I stand by my original comments. I was thinking about getting the lapdock, but everything I read about it tells me I should just get an ipad or smartbook and use the Razr as a hotspot.

 

[bsweetness]

I'm a noob to this but are you guys talking about the browser on ics if so yeah it sucks and it keeps freezing up on me I just installed the dolphin browser and I works better and smoother then the one on ics

No, they're not talking about the stock ICS browser. They're talking about the full desktop version of Firefox that was included with the previous versions of Webtop. That browser not in the new Webtop version included with ICS. It was never something that you accessed directly on the phone itself, but rather through a lapdock or by hooking the phone up to an external monitor via an adapter or dock.

Yeah, I posted that webtop was effectively neutered in another thread and got reamed from people who, quixotically, actually like the upgrade. I stand by my original comments. I was thinking about getting the lapdock, but everything I read about it tells me I should just get an ipad or smartbook and use the Razr as a hotspot.

"Reamed?" Really?

Nope, still need to do significant typing. The phone is a poor substitute and I'm reading lapdock is neutered with ics. Too bad

"Neutered?" Not in the slightest. Webtop on ICS no longer has a desktop version of Firefox, which is a bit of a letdown, but in every single other way, it's far superior to the previous versions. It's a night and day difference for the better.

Ic it doesn't support Firefox and it did before it's neutered

Well, I think the lack of a desktop browser is a disappointment, but the vast improvements all around make it far from neutered. With previous versions of Webtop, which were full of bugs and didn't function all that well, one feature - the desktop browser - made it bearable. But now, with how well the entire OS functions, the lack of that one feature doesn't take away its manhood. I'll gladly give up a poorly designed, barely out of alpha style of OS with one great feature for a stable, fluid OS that's full of great features, even though it lacks the one good feature from the before.

I never knew that stating one viewpoint, while never belittling the opposing position, was being reamed. I thought it was just disagreeing. :blink:

And I also stand by my original comments. The loss of the desktop version of Firefox is a let down, but I think this version of Webtop is a step in the right direction. I haven't experienced any noticeable problems with it. I think that's because I'm used to the tablet version of ICS with a keyboard from my Asus Transformer TF300. Webtop now operates in a similar way to that. I can can definitely understand the frustration with the loss of the desktop version of Firefox, and I can understand being frustrated with having to learn a new way of navigating Webtop, but personally, I'm a fan of the change. It opens up many more possibilities for Webtop. But not everyone likes it, and I definitely see their side and agree with much of it. I just think the pros outweigh the cons. Anyone is welcome to disagree with that.

 

[brucefulton]

I stand by my comments. Anything I ever wanted from the lap dock has been deprecated. There is nothing in the new update that is compelling to spend $200 to $500 to hitch my maxx to one of these devices. So I won't be buying a lapdock, although I had considered it before the ICS update. I suppose if I had bought one, then I would try to make lemonade from lemons. But since I have no lemons, I don't need to try to make the purchase of a lapdock somehow compelling. Given the current feature set, it's just not worth it. If you have one, well hope you like it.

No, they're not talking about the stock ICS browser. They're talking about the full desktop version of Firefox that was included with the previous versions of Webtop. That browser not in the new Webtop version included with ICS. It was never something that you accessed directly on the phone itself, but rather through a lapdock or by hooking the phone up to an external monitor via an adapter or dock.



"Reamed?" Really?









I never knew that stating one viewpoint, while never belittling the opposing position, was being reamed. I thought it was just disagreeing. :blink:

And I also stand by my original comments. The loss of the desktop version of Firefox is a let down, but I think this version of Webtop is a step in the right direction. I haven't experienced any noticeable problems with it. I think that's because I'm used to the tablet version of ICS with a keyboard from my Asus Transformer TF300. Webtop now operates in a similar way to that. I can can definitely understand the frustration with the loss of the desktop version of Firefox, and I can understand being frustrated with having to learn a new way of navigating Webtop, but personally, I'm a fan of the change. It opens up many more possibilities for Webtop. But not everyone likes it, and I definitely see their side and agree with much of it. I just think the pros outweigh the cons. Anyone is welcome to disagree with that.

 

[bsweetness]

I stand by my comments. Anything I ever wanted from the lap dock has been deprecated. There is nothing in the new update that is compelling to spend $200 to $500 to hitch my maxx to one of these devices. So I won't be buying a lapdock, although I had considered it before the ICS update. I suppose if I had bought one, then I would try to make lemonade from lemons. But since I have no lemons, I don't need to try to make the purchase of a lapdock somehow compelling. Given the current feature set, it's just not worth it. If you have one, well hope you like it.

I never said you shouldn't stand by your comments. The lapdock no longer offers the functionality you want, so you won't buy one. Those are perfectly reasonable comments to make. My point in the above post, beyond presenting a differing opinion, was that you were never "reamed" for any of your comments. :wink:

And for those who might be interested in getting one, you can buy a lapdock for far less than $200-$500.

 

[Dave12308]

I stand by my comments. Anything I ever wanted from the lap dock has been deprecated. There is nothing in the new update that is compelling to spend $200 to $500 to hitch my maxx to one of these devices. So I won't be buying a lapdock, although I had considered it before the ICS update. I suppose if I had bought one, then I would try to make lemonade from lemons. But since I have no lemons, I don't need to try to make the purchase of a lapdock somehow compelling. Given the current feature set, it's just not worth it. If you have one, well hope you like it.

That's what I never understood about the lapdock, anyways. You could buy a relatively nice netbook for that price, and have a true PC experience with much better performance. If you want a full PC experience, buy a PC. JMHO.

 

[brucefulton]

I never said you shouldn't stand by your comments. The lapdock no longer offers the functionality you want, so you won't buy one. Those are perfectly reasonable comments to make. My point in the above post, beyond presenting a differing opinion, was that you were never "reamed" for any of your comments.

Clearly, you didn't read all the comments. There were multiple threads. Lapdock fanbois made their opinions of my opinion that the interface was, um, neutered, were made quite clear.

And for those who might be interested in getting one, you can buy a lapdock for far less than $200-$500.

Motorola MSRP for the lapdoc100 is $249. MSRP for the lapdoc500 is $349, and there are cables and accessories one can buy. Once again, I stand by my comments.

 

[brucefulton]

I also note that Motorola is still advertising the "Full Firefox Browser" and Flash compatibility. Here's the clip as of when I'm writing this: "The full Firefox browser turns internet access on your phone into a true desktop internet experience. Use multiple browser windows, tabs and Adobe Flash to access your remote applications, search for information, and view the best the web has to offer. " Source: Lapdock 500 Pro - Motorola Mobility, Inc. USA

Obviously, this is wrong on both counts.

 

[Graymayre]

I need any avalible option to get rid of ics or just webtop 3.0. I dont care for how smooth or how much memory gets used, had i known i was going to loose all my pc functionality i would have never updated. Also my keyboard now seems to have gone full gobblygook in webtop mode by typing numbers and characters instead of letters, it also doesnt delete properly. But that is nothing compared to loosing the ability to watch tv shows on the web (yes i reinstalled flash, 99% of sites that worked with 2.0 are still a no go on 3.0), webtop 2.0 was really the one and only reason why i bought this phone in the first place. Now its like im stuck with my old iphone in my droids body now. I need any option to get rid of ics. Factory reset? Some sort of jailbreaking? (deleted text) I dont care if i loose every piece of info or every app. I just want this tablet/iphone gone and my mini pc back, at any cost.

Look for the thread titled Downgrade to 902 - No App or data loss

Doing a factory data reset should clear up your problems. If you just want to go back, then the method in that thread should be able to get you there. Otherwise, you can flash it back to 902 with RSDlite and the 902 FXZ. As far as the websites, you can check out the Dolphin Browser HD or Firefox and see how they work for you.

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[bsweetness]

Clearly, you didn't read all the comments. There were multiple threads. Lapdock fanbois made their opinions of my opinion that the interface was, um, neutered, were made quite clear.

There's no need for name calling towards anyone, regardless of what they thought of your opinion. Take the high road.

And that "Clearly, you didn't read all the comments" remark is unnecessary as well. There's no need to try to antagonize anyone, especially someone who understands where you're coming from with your comments, and is saying they're entirely valid. It's also unnecessary because, beyond this thread, those are the only comments you've made about Webtop on this forum that I see in your post history, and I was the only one who responded to those posts. So, those are all of the comments.

Motorola MSRP for the lapdoc100 is $249. MSRP for the lapdoc500 is $349, and there are cables and accessories one can buy. Once again, I stand by my comments.

Hardly anything sells for MSRP, and MSRP hasn't meant anything for the lapdocks in months (even at Verizon). They can be found for well below those prices. And if you buy a lapdock, there's no need to buy additional cables or accessories to make it work. The cables and accessories were there if you wanted to use Webtop without a lapdock pre-ICS. With ICS, if you want to run Webtop on something other than a lapdock, all you need is a cheap HDMI cable.

So, while you're right on the MSRP for the lapdocks, it doesn't change the fact that they can be consistently found for much less than that (and, in fact, have always sold for less than that from Verizon, which means they've pretty much always been cheaper elsewhere).

Either way, I'm still not sure why you're trying to start an argument here about every little detail. Your comments are valid, as are mine and anyone else's. I think the Webtop changes are worthwhile overall, even with what was lost. You disagree with that, as do several others. That's fine. Agree to disagree.

 

[dperreno]

Clearly, you didn't read all the comments. There were multiple threads. Lapdock fanbois made their opinions of my opinion that the interface was, um, neutered, were made quite clear.


Motorola MSRP for the lapdoc100 is $249. MSRP for the lapdoc500 is $349, and there are cables and accessories one can buy. Once again, I stand by my comments.

You can buy an Atrix lapdock on Amazon for less than $70 and either use a pair of connector cables to attach your phone or do as I did and carefully flip the port connectors to align with the RAZR. Works great!

Or at least, it did until ICS was released - there I am in full agreement with you. Webtop for Gingerbread was a LAPTOP emulator, with some very annoying limitations and issues, to be sure. Webtop for ICS is a TABLET emulator. That isn't why I bought my Lapdock. If there were a Tabletdock accessory, then I'm sure this would be great, but there isn't and for me, it really sucks. So much so that I have had to put my Lapdock aside and pull out my 6-year old Compaq laptop to compose this reply, because trying to do this on ICS Webtop is a pain in the - er - neck!

 

[Dave12308]

I thought you could fxz back to .902 then update ota from there. thats what i read here before flashing this.

On a DROID Bionic you can, but you're in the DROID RAZR section - completely different ballgame with the RAZR.

 

[Graymayre]

On a DROID Bionic you can, but you're in the DROID RAZR section - completely different ballgame with the RAZR.

Is there not an FXZ for the Razr out?

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[mumra4ever]

I have tried to rollback with the roms I had and the backup I made. I basically bricked my phone. After a day of this/that, finally put ICS back on. My 2-cents is that don't try it unless you have a lot of time.

 

[Graymayre]

Glad I went with the Bionic
*walks away, whistling with hands in pockets*

Driod Bionic ICED 232

 

[Exalted911]

If you guys install the new ics leak 215 it now brings the chrome browser that works great with webtop. It looks and feel like chrome for your regular pc. Sadly no flash but a much better browser.