Ipad 2 just killed the Xoom

[Elysian]

Love my Xoom at 1.5ghz, no way in hell I'd trade it for an iPad 2 and the closed ecosystem that comes with it... Not to mention the interface straight out of 2007. Xoom also still has the better screen and better aspect ratio. 4:3 is lamesauce.

 

[hookbill]

I don't know the answer to all of these, but if it is NO to most then a tablet doesn't even come close to being a desktop, laptop or even netbook replacement.

Can you print documents from an Android tablet?
Can you run a reasonably powerful photo or video editing program?
Can you run flt, mov, avi and wmv videos without conversion?
Can I rip CDs to the device?
Can I connect various exercise monitoring equipment (heart rate, BP, etc) to it?
Can I install the exercise monitoring software to it to chart progress?

Again, if the answers are NO to most of these, then is not even close to replacing even my netbook. Perhaps some just use a computer for surfing the web, playing a few games and taking photos and videos and posting them to their facebook page and then a tablet is all they need, but me and most people who I know do much more with their computers.

I don't know about Android for sure, but you can print on some bluetooth printers with iPad. I imagine you can with Android too.

But you make a valid point. I don't see them replacing laptops, I just see them as a different device.

 

[fishfood]

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True...wouldn't matter if the iPad2 had the exact same specs as the iPad1 people would rush out and buy it. If it says Apple they will blindly buy it.. So now the competition is also battling a cheaper price point. They better drop their prices if they want to stay competitive. It's not about having better hardware when it comes to going against Apple. The competition is up against a brand not a superior product.

Nonsense CK. If people buy because of the Apple brand it's because of good marketing and producing a quality product. I don't accept that apple sheep theory just like I don't believe that people who have android would only buy…..

On second thought, maybe there is some truth to that.

I agree with the words CK says, but Hook, you nailed the reason... people blindly buy (i.e. TRUST) the Apple name BECAUSE their marketing strategy has successfully made the connection between the word "APPLE" and "QUALITY" and their products back it up. So now, people who know nothing about either Apple OR Android will automatically pick Apple. However... the diligent consumer will end up with an Android product... the vast majority of consumers, however, don't necessarily fit into that category, so VOILA! Apple dominates the market by default... Score one for the Apple marketing department.

 

[fishfood]

Love my Xoom at 1.5ghz, no way in hell I'd trade it for an iPad 2 and the closed ecosystem that comes with it... Not to mention the interface straight out of 2007. Xoom also still has the better screen and better aspect ratio. 4:3 is lamesauce.

Oh yeah, this brings up another point... wasn't the unlocked bootloader of the Xoom touted as a HUGE technical "plus...?" Well correct me if I'm wrong (and I may very well be, but don't tell my wife I admitted it...) but isn't the iPad even more locked down than an Android device WITH a locked bootloader?

Until they seperate these things from itunes, I'll never buy one. I love apple devices. If anyone argues that the hardware isn't superior.... take the ipod nano for example, fantastic device and there's nothing like it on the market, too bad you have to use itunes to put music on it.
For me, itunes ruins it all. Putting anything on it is a hassle, and anything you buy (ie, music) is limited in how you use it or where you put it. I much prefer android, where I plug it in, put music where I want music, and then good to go......f**k itunes.

and THAT is the reason I just sold my iPod touch... I HATE HATE HATE iTunes! The profit helped pay for my new Xoom, and my new "iPod" will be called the Thunderbolt...

 

[Elysian]

I don't know the answer to all of these, but if it is NO to most then a tablet doesn't even come close to being a desktop, laptop or even netbook replacement.

Can you print documents from an Android tablet?
Can you run a reasonably powerful photo or video editing program?
Can you run flt, mov, avi and wmv videos without conversion?
Can I rip CDs to the device?
Can I connect various exercise monitoring equipment (heart rate, BP, etc) to it?
Can I install the exercise monitoring software to it to chart progress?

Again, if the answers are NO to most of these, then is not even close to replacing even my netbook. Perhaps some just use a computer for surfing the web, playing a few games and taking photos and videos and posting them to their facebook page and then a tablet is all they need, but me and most people who I know do much more with their computers.

I don't know about Android for sure, but you can print on some bluetooth printers with iPad. I imagine you can with Android too.

But you make a valid point. I don't see them replacing laptops, I just see them as a different device.

My laptop actually broke the night before the Xoom launched, I've almost completely replaced it with the Xoom alone. The only thing I can't do on my Xoom is my Java homework/labs, so I still use my desktop for that stuff.

 

[jkhonea]

I agree with the words CK says, but Hook, you nailed the reason... people blindly buy (i.e. TRUST) the Apple name BECAUSE their marketing strategy has successfully made the connection between the word "APPLE" and "QUALITY" and their products back it up. So now, people who know nothing about either Apple OR Android will automatically pick Apple. However... the diligent consumer will end up with an Android product... the vast majority of consumers, however, don't necessarily fit into that category, so VOILA! Apple dominates the market by default... Score one for the Apple marketing department.

Actually, someone that researches subjects closely will buy what fits them and the purposes the best without brand loyalty. That's why I have an iPad, MacBook Pro, iPod Touch, Dell Desktop, Droid Incredible, iPhone 4 for my wife and a mix of other devices. Marketing strategies have nothing to do with my Apple purchases. Quality and use do.

 

[Thevaristy]

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I don't know the answer to all of these, but if it is NO to most then a tablet doesn't even come close to being a desktop, laptop or even netbook replacement.

Can you print documents from an Android tablet?
Can you run a reasonably powerful photo or video editing program?
Can you run flt, mov, avi and wmv videos without conversion?
Can I rip CDs to the device?
Can I connect various exercise monitoring equipment (heart rate, BP, etc) to it?
Can I install the exercise monitoring software to it to chart progress?

Again, if the answers are NO to most of these, then is not even close to replacing even my netbook. Perhaps some just use a computer for surfing the web, playing a few games and taking photos and videos and posting them to their facebook page and then a tablet is all they need, but me and most people who I know do much more with their computers.

1. Yes I can print.
2. No to photo/video editing, but most users dont either.
3. No, not right now at least. Soon. Again, I dont think the average user does much video converting.
4 What is a cd?
5. Not sure about the exercise stuff.

Most people use laptops to surf the net, and very little else. For this reason, it could make a decent replacement.

 

[chained22]

Ftw xoom+10000

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[Elysian]

I honestly think a good tablet could replace a laptop for most users. With my gtab, I hardly have to break out the old laptop. When I do, it is usually for work type stuff. I can upload pics straight from my camera, and browse flash websites. Laptop is only for heavy lifting.

I said something similar in another thread. I bought a Netbook because I didn't need a big laptop. And now I use my Droid for most everything and bring out my netbook once in a while. Since there are keyboards for these tablets, they can work like a netbook and will probably take the place of them. If I was getting a new home computer today, I would seriously look at tablets, it would be easier to carry around then even my netbook (unless I wanted to carry the keyboard with it).

iPad 2 vs. Motorola Xoom vs. HP TouchPad vs. BlackBerry PlayBook: the tale of the tape

I don't know the answer to all of these, but if it is NO to most then a tablet doesn't even come close to being a desktop, laptop or even netbook replacement.

Can you print documents from an Android tablet?
Can you run a reasonably powerful photo or video editing program?
Can you run flt, mov, avi and wmv videos without conversion?
Can I rip CDs to the device?
Can I connect various exercise monitoring equipment (heart rate, BP, etc) to it?
Can I install the exercise monitoring software to it to chart progress?

Again, if the answers are NO to most of these, then is not even close to replacing even my netbook. Perhaps some just use a computer for surfing the web, playing a few games and taking photos and videos and posting them to their facebook page and then a tablet is all they need, but me and most people who I know do much more with their computers.

Look up an app called SportTracker, it can interface with BlueTooth exercise devices.

 

[cdtdelta]

I think what may end up killing the Xoom in this case is that there is going to be a CDMA/Verizon iPad. No more needing the Mifi device to use it (I'm assuming that at least based on the presentation today).

So think about it, what do you think Verizon marketing is going to focus more on, the iPad or the Xoom?

Here's an example, when I was in the Verizon store the other day (getting my Xoom), I thought one of the sales reps had an iPhone as her phone. So I said jokingly, "So did everyone here get an iPhone?" (meaning did they grab one for themselves when it came out). The comment I got back was that they were not allowed to buy one yet. But the three reps behind the desk all said they would get one. And they all had Android phones.

So I don't think it's going to be a Xoom vs iPad thing, it's going to be a Verizon marketing thing. How much do hey market "Android" versus "iOS"

For me, I wouldn't get the iPad 2, it's really an iPad 1.5, and in some cases what the original iPad SHOULD have been. Otherwise it's a bit of a hardware bump and the cameras, that's really it. But I don't have a need for an iPad device anymore because I've pretty much switched over to Android/Google to manage my stuff. That being said, all my computers at home are Macs.

Just my two cents....keep the change...

 

[fishfood]

I agree with the words CK says, but Hook, you nailed the reason... people blindly buy (i.e. TRUST) the Apple name BECAUSE their marketing strategy has successfully made the connection between the word "APPLE" and "QUALITY" and their products back it up. So now, people who know nothing about either Apple OR Android will automatically pick Apple. However... the diligent consumer will end up with an Android product... the vast majority of consumers, however, don't necessarily fit into that category, so VOILA! Apple dominates the market by default... Score one for the Apple marketing department.

Actually, someone that researches subjects closely will buy what fits them and the purposes the best without brand loyalty. That's why I have an iPad, MacBook Pro, iPod Touch, Dell Desktop, Droid Incredible, iPhone 4 for my wife and a mix of other devices. Marketing strategies have nothing to do with my Apple purchases. Quality and use do.

Of course that's completely true, jk. My remark about the "diligent consumer buying only Android" was a bit tongue-in-cheek... the truly discerning consumer gets what fits their needs, whether it be Android, Apple, BB, Mattel, or two cans and a string... but the fact that the UNINFORMED consumer thinks APPLE="best product available" without doing research is a tribute to Apple's marketing, as Hook said.

 

[atlharry]

Price wise, it comes down to what the consumer wants. If they want 32 gb then the prices are about the same. Faster? Is the dual core A5 @ 1ghz faster then the dual core tegra 2 @ 1ghz? Proof?

Screen resolution is worse AND noticeable. Additional cost for HDMI out... I'm not saying the the iPad2 isn't a good offering, but it's certainly not the second coming everyone was expecting.

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Whoa I came in way later on the conversation than I thought... carry on!

 

[Elysian]

Price wise, it comes down to what the consumer wants. If they want 32 gb then the prices are about the same. Faster? Is the dual core A5 @ 1ghz faster then the dual core tegra 2 @ 1ghz? Proof?

Screen resolution is worse AND noticeable. Additional cost for HDMI out... I'm not saying the the iPad2 isn't a good offering, but it's certainly not the second coming everyone was expecting.

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If the GPU on the iPad 2 is really capable of 9x the performance of the 535 in the original iPad then it's going to be roughly 2x as powerful as the Tegra 2 GPU, Tegra 2 puts out 90m triangles/sec, the original iPad put out 20 I believe.

 

[atlharry]

Well that'll be interesting to see if it really measures up to that.

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[iNfAMOUS702]

An old army buddy of mine works for alienware..he told me that he would build me a super computer that's cheaper than tha price of a XOOM....looks like I wont be getting a tablet at all lol

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