Is anyone the tiniest bit jealous of the iPhone 4s?

[OneTenderRebel]

I think my original point, multiple pages ago, was that people were extremely excited about the 4GS and I honestly didn't think it was worth getting excited over.

If those 4 million people were informed like they could be, they would have known Siri has been around for a very long time and they were basically buying the same phone with a new camera and dual core processor.

I think that's why it originally bothered me so much. It's not that it's a bad device, because it most definitely is not, it's the fact that Apple can release a product that is behind in nearly all current hardware specs and completely WoW their consumer base and sell insane amounts of product while barely lifting a finger.

That to me shows that their marketing and brand recognition plays a far bigger role in their sales than the improvements they've made to their device.

right but every Android device, up to this Nexus, has been a marginal upgrade from a previous one. It's how tech goes. Fortunately we all got to witness a truly amazing device unveiled earlier that kind of skips the marginal and goes for the jugular, haha.

But the upgrades to the iPhone were decent upgrades on par with them keeping the name iPhone4S. Dual core cpu and gpu, camera tech is better, comes loaded with iOS5, no more need for iTunes. I mean nothing earth shattering but other than the OG Droid and the first iPhone which phone has been earth shattering?

 

[czerdrill]

I don't think he was trying to make it that black and white. Remember all the grab and go thefts when thieves noticed the white ear buds indicating that someone had an iPod? There were other comparable mp3 players out at the time, but the iPod was the "must have" item and all other things being equal this was mainly a result of marketing and media hype. When the iPad launched I can't even count off the top of my head the number of media outlets and news magazines that were doing stories on how many people in Hollywood were using them and so now they were the "it" device of the moment. Even CNN was doing fluff pieces on it, though how that constitutes real news I don't know. Heck, did Tickle Me Elmo make any kids' lives more fulfilled or complete? Nope, but it was touted as what you'd better get your kid if you were a good parent and so it flew off the shelves. Same things with Uggs and every other trendy item; Apple has just managed to do a far better job than anyone else I can think of in maintaining that steady feeling of "you need this" that plays in so many consumer's minds.

The iPhone is a great product without question, but a large portion of its success has been branding. Nothing wrong with that, just how it is. In the same way that many people get Android devices just to say that they aren't Apple sheep all the while missing the irony of turning themselves into rams and ewes of another sort.

Lastly, I will say another major valid factor in so many people going for the iPhone is the ease of integration with peripherals. Even if you don't understand all the great things your device can do, knowing that all the accessories you buy this year will still work for your next ten upgrades you get is going to give anyone great piece of mind in their purchases. This technically is a result of Apple making sure to market in such a way that consumers understand the total package and so that they feel they are getting the "Apple experience" with their phone, etc. This is marketing at work, but in the right way and I think is beneficial for everyone.

Pretty tired, so I hope that all made sense.

Again I am not saying apple is not a marketing machine. What I am saying is you don't sell that many phones purely because of marketing. You have to have a good device. The implication that gets tossed around is that all these ppl are buying the phone without having any clue what they're buying when "better" (spec wise only to this point) devices are also available.

 

[Liderc]

The phone outperforms all other phones including the sgs2. As proven by benchmarks. You got ppl going crazy over the razr, but iPhone users are just following unsubstantiated hype? Again...the numbers and in this case the benchmarks don't lie

I'll end with this, as I see we're not getting much out of this thread.

Benchmarks mean absolutely nothing in the real world. I only mention this because you seem to keep falling back on it. I've been building computers long enough to know how to sway benchmarks in any direction I wish.

Having said that, the Iphone is almost always more polished than any Android device on release. This is because they found out the best way to prevent OS issues is to be in complete control over all aspects of your device and it's software. A polished device will always out perform an unpolished device, it's why hardware and software have constant updates.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

Anyways, I always enjoy a good debate, obviously! Thanks fellas, but my eyes are no longer allowing me to see straight.......must go...to bed :sleep:

I will say this in closing.............................bring on the Nexus

 

[jntdroid]

But that's what doesn't make sense. Why couldn't you be getting more hits for the iphone because its a quality device that people like. Why is the immediate assumption "oh he must wanna be cool"? It absolutely is anecdotal.

When android sells its bc its better, when iphone sells its cuz ppl wanna be cool? Where is the logic in that?

Yeah I certainly don't disagree that Apple brings with it a certain "cool" factor. That's just brand recognition working for them but I do not think you build up a cool factor by selling subpar products either. I am not saying Apple is the best or that they invented the wheel but you gain brand loyalty through a whole lot more than marketing.

I agree with you both completely. Sorry, maybe I missed the premise of this branch of the discussion - wasn't trying to make a blanket implication that iPhone's only sell b/c they're cool. They're awesome products and wouldn't be "cool" if they weren't good. That said, thanks to brand recognition as you said OTR, I do believe that the anecdotal evidence is strong that, among the group of people that don't think analytically about this stuff, the iPhone holds much more "cool appeal" than other phones.

I say that with my I4 sitting next to me... I love that device - it's rock solid and stable on Verizon, and it's my fallback device that's not on a contract! (i.e. I can test out phones using an upgrade)

edit: this thread was clearly moving too fast for me... lol

 

[czerdrill]

I'll end with this, as I see we're not getting much out of this thread.

Benchmarks mean absolutely nothing in the real world. I only mention this because you seem to keep falling back on it. I've been building computers long enough to know how to sway benchmarks in any direction I wish.

Having said that, the Iphone is almost always more polished than any Android device on release. This is because they found out the best way to prevent OS issues is to be in complete control over all aspects of your device and it's software. A polished device will always out perform an unpolished device, it's why hardware and software have constant updates.

Would the same thing be said if benchmarks showed the android to be "better"? I'm not falling back to anything I'm going with some tangible proof rather then anecdotal "my sgs2 is faster and all my friends said so" evidence. Now it seems like the implication is that these tests were skewed to favor apple because as we all know the media are apple fanboys hah

So my question still is, what makes these other phones "better" in your eyes. Is it just the literal specs? Were discounting benchmarks and discounting sales, so what makes these devices better?

 

[Graymayre]

Only because of the Otterbox camo defender case for it. Otherwise no.

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[jntdroid]

I mean nothing earth shattering but other than the OG Droid and the first iPhone which phone has been earth shattering?

isn't that the truth? some good phones have come out since then, but they definitely set the groundwork for the smartphone world we live in today...

 

[flamepanther]

So my question still is, what makes these other phones "better" in your eyes. Is it just the literal specs? Were discounting benchmarks and discounting sales, so what makes these devices better?

Here's one way to look at that: for almost any priority you have in what you want in your phone, and for almost any task you want it to do, you can find at least one Android phone that is superior in at least that one aspect. On top of that, every Android device is inherently more flexible and can largely be tailored to the individual needs of the user even without rooting or jailbreaking. That should cover your question from pretty much every angle short of picking out every example of every phone that is better in some way than the iPhone, which I think would be tedious and unnecessary here. If quality, or even suitability to consumer needs were the main factor in iPhone sales, we shouldn't expect them to be so extremely high, since for a majority of consumers there should be at least one product that is arguably better. On top of that, we keep hearing news stories on how Android is taking more and more of the iPhone's market share. If high iPhone sales mean that Apple is doing something right other than marketing their devices, wouldn't that shrinking market share mean they've been doing much more wrong?

 

[ilikemoneygreen]

Haha wow, i havent seen this thread in a while but i must say it is really consistent that when their is any iPhone talk/debates on the forums, czerdrill and OneTenderRebel will be their. Both you guys deserve a little iphone pic by your names. Dedicated debaters. Sorry btw for kinda being on the line of on-topic-ness, i had to state the obvious. Their isnt an argument on here that i can remember without one of you two chiming in. Guys have a highly evolved radar sense.

 

[gthotie5]

Late reply about my last post (cant spend all day on a thread like some of you ) I wasn't trying to argue with anyone im just going but what I've seen I don't care at all about what YOU think.


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[gthotie5]

Oh and for the record android is still ugly in both hardware and software when compared to ios.
Which is one of the big reasons why its still ahead of android.

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[m1ghtysauc3]

Sometimes I miss the simpler times, before the world was full of fanboys.

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[ilikemoneygreen]

Late reply about my last post (cant spend all day on a thread like some of you ) I wasn't trying to argue with anyone im just going but what I've seen I don't care at all about what YOU think.
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Lol, i dont know if lots of people like rhetoric or not but when people choose to argue about iphones in the droidforums its just going to be arguing to argue. Lots of great points come out but in the end everyone already has their mind made up. I love how the forums have these little debates but i have to admit, i just wish the topic would be changed from iPhones and android....its like beating a dead horse now. Again and again these debates happen. again and again. lol, ive stayed away from this thread for a while, of course it would turn into this again. :biggrin: I hope peoples bp stay low on these threads becuase they will be here for a while. I guess its pretty entertaining every once in a while. One thing is for sure though, czerdrill and OneTenderRebel can sniff out these potential argument a mile away. They are almost as consistent as the arguments themselves. :hail: which i think deserves some recognition. Lol, if we ever have an inter-web debate with droidforums debating something like iphones against androidcentral or something, then my vote would be for one of those guys. Forum wars! haha.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

Lol, i dont know if lots of people like rhetoric or not but when people choose to argue about iphones in the droidforums its just going to be arguing to argue. Lots of great points come out but in the end everyone already has their mind made up. I love how the forums have these little debates but i have to admit, i just wish the topic would be changed from iPhones and android....its like beating a dead horse now. Again and again these debates happen. again and again. lol, ive stayed away from this thread for a while, of course it would turn into this again. :biggrin: I hope peoples bp stay low on these threads becuase they will be here for a while. I guess its pretty entertaining every once in a while. One thing is for sure though, czerdrill and OneTenderRebel can sniff out these potential argument a mile away. They are almost as consistent as the arguments themselves. :hail: which i think deserves some recognition. Lol, if we ever have an inter-web debate with droidforums debating something like iphones against androidcentral or something, then my vote would be for one of those guys. Forum wars! haha.

I am not sure what the purpose of your post was but I have said before, for me it's not about Apple vs Android, it's about not being a fanboy and hating a product for some obscure reason. There were no arguments going, IMO. It was a debate with several points and counter-points. I took absolutely no offense to what any had to say or offer and I value their opinion as much as my own. Why does it have to be an argument?? I almost feel like you are just looking to start trouble with your last 2 posts, I hope I am wrong about that because I have never gotten the impression from any of your other posts on here that you are like that but at the same time I am curious why you felt the need to single us out when we were being nothing but civil? I felt like everyone involved in the little debate was being civil and offered some great points. Just because I don't agree with all of them doesn't mean I don't care what they have to say on the matter. I am sure they feel the same way about what I say on here, I would hope anyway. I know I am not going to sway someone's mind by what I type here in a forum, doesn't mean I should just sit back and not say anything though. Like I have said before too, I would absolutely react the same exact way if I felt the roles were reversed with Android and Apple, if someone is ripping on Android for dumb reasons I will defend Android.

In closing, I don't know how to take your post so I will just assume you meant no harm by it.