Possible Ways to Crack the Bootloader

[WugFresh]

A few points here.
1) a lawsuit is enough to get a company to do something. Period. A lawsuit that has many people behind it is scary to a company for possible loss of sales. the community is big enough to make something like a class action suit possible.
2) the manufactuer doesnt have to do anything. They dont have to take a bricked phone back, they can just do an apple and just void ur warranty. There are clear signs that a phone has been bricked due to rooting. Customer support can find out over the phone if a phone is rooted just by asking questions. So that point holds no water.
3) the manufactuers can find out what we want to do with an unlocked bootloader. They have many many programmers that are very farmiliar with the thing we are trying to crack, cuz they built the damn thing. in this case, theyd have to have known what we want to do cuz theyve counteracted it. So trying to work with them and explaining what we want to do may not do anything. But it might. But more than likely not. And unless there is some sort of threat from a community, the conpany womt change.

So... Simply put, a class action against moto would be the right course of action after and only after a good petition is made and presented to moto. this is already being done. But should moto do nothing and laugh in our faces, we take the petition and go class action. Then they will be forced to do something, otherwise, theyll lose sales, which from a business standpoint is a BIG. So theres a solid chance that moto would meet our requests should a threat be present.



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A few counterpoints(and please understand, I'm not trying to insult or anger anyone, just suggesting what I believe to be the best course of action in this matter.)
1) yes a lawsuit could make something happen, but that is assuming it is succesful which is iffy at best. And do you have any idea how long that process would actually take? Its not very fast paced.
2) and 3) I'm not saying that my ideas are the only ones possible. My point is, if we want things to change we have to start thinking from the other side's point of view and offer them reasons to make changes.

And from a business standpoint-I'm an accountant so I can speak on this subject pretty knowledgeably, the community probably represents less than 1% of total sales for Motorola. In this economy, if my company only saw a 1% decrease in sales, I would be doing backflips and would probably get a bonus. So you shouldn't really bank on that effecting moto.

I whole heartedly agree with this post. I would be dead of lung cancer before a lawsuit really made any headway. The only way we could really hurt moto would be a full on smear campaign. For them to really notice something is up I would say we would need around a 10 to 15 percent loss of userbase. I'm not really sure that that is feasible. Our best shot is from the petition and software standpoints.

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I agree with you and a full on smear campaign is what I plan. P3droids food for thought post confirmed my concerns about this becoming an industry wide standard. This is beyond moto. The open source community is being threatened. We need a substantial amount of people to voice their opinion and take action. This is going to rely heavily on education, what I mean by that is we need a quick way to bring average users understanding of what root/unlocked bootloader is up to speed. We need a concise and we'll written article describing these open source aspects and explain that they are being threatened. We need to make people aware of the big picture and the net effect from a decision like this. We need average users on our side and the only way to do that is through effective communication. If the issue becomes isolated to the hacking community only, we have already lost.

Average users must be given a surface layer understanding of what these things are, how taking them away hinders development and ultimately destroys the open source community. People need to become aware that android is falsely advertised, that we as consumers are given a false sense of freedom, and we as a community are being bullied by international corporations to give up our basic right to have control over our internet based technology.
I am going to the drawing board to really think this out. I am going to try and get this issue as much exposure as humanly possible.

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[andylulzyou]

We should start by targeting the fact that carriers and companies are charging many people hundreds of dollars for a phone and simply just manufacturing more without bringing their old phones back to date.

I'm sure there are many people out there that are still on 2.1 or 2.2 who would could see the merits of an unlocked bootloader.

We really just need something published for our cause, not just a typical Android site we need to try and get onto Yahoo or something like that. Motorola doesn't want this issue becoming public, at all.

 

[armedmonkey]

Engadget and neowin might publish you

 

[estafusisx]

Engadget and neowin might publish you

Gizmodo too (i stopped reading them but I think lifehacker is now a part of giz instead of an independent site)

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[UNC]

^I guess that Motorola the only one who listens?

No SONY is listening too.....

Verizon/AT&T are who wants locked bootloaders, not Motorola/SONY/HTC....

You're sending your complaints to the wrong people!!!


"devices locked to a specific carrier will not come with an unlocked bootloader"
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[WugFresh]

I am well aware of this now. Things have to change. I am trying to formulate all of my recent thoughts on this into words now. This new news isn't really new, its just a confirmation of all of my fears, I never thought it would happen so soon, thats why I wanted to start with moto. Well the issue is clearly larger. I am still writing my response to p3's food for thought. I for one am not going to let these policy changes go into effect silently and without public exposure.

Stay tuned.

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[PalmerCurling]

Wug: please keep me in the loop, I will use whatever leverage I can find to bump you up above the average soapbox. Pseudo viral (leaving it up on every computer I can) handouts bulletins announcements and anything else I can think of. Just keep me up to speed

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[WugFresh]

@PalmerCurling will do, me an ibproud were talking about setting up a shared google document to use as our centralized location for sharing ideas. Kinda ironic considering this is pertaining to android but thats besides the point. I need today to gather my thoughts and write them down. Plus we need to release information when people are thinking rationally again. Right now the shock factor is in effect and a lot of people are misinterpreting what's really going on. I want to choose my words carefully and explain my position clearly. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I would like to do the best that I can at providing a clear overview of the big picture as I see to be. People are still thinking within the framework of their personal reality. "oh no.. they are tracking me! ", "should I unroot?", "are they going to charge me?". I am hoping some of this wears off and people can get back to thinking reasonably about an issue that is effectively hurting an entire community.

Stay tuned for my response.

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[andylulzyou]

A public blog where anybody can post there ideas (pending approval to make sure it is appropriate) and the people could vote the posts up and down with a thumbs up or down would be good..


These carriers are very dumb because the rooted community in it 's entirety is much bigger than anybody gives it credit for, and someone hopefully Sprint will realize that there are a lot of unhappy people looking for a new home

 

[andylulzyou]

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Let's all send Dan an e-mail explaining our situation and how we would all like a new home.. if you leave your phone number they will call you within two days to speak with you.

 

[WugFresh]

Per each rooted-user/dev/hacker/geek/whatever you want to call us, how many people do you think we influence? Who do average users look up to when making technology based decisions? How many friends or friends of friends have each one of you given advice to regarding a technology based purchase? How many people have you directly or indirectly convinced to buy a droid? Do you honestly think that all average users only obtain their information through ads and commercials? Do they not read other media sources? Do they not look to the more knowledgable end users for information?

What happens when the general consensus amongst the advanced end-users is, "Droid Doesn't"? Will that message not trickle down to the average user, will it only remain relevant to the devs? What happens when a product advertised as open source is exposed to be the polar opposite? Will that not hurt their image? Will that not hurt their reputation? When android dies in the eyes of the ones who saw it for its true potential, will its future remain bright? Will we all (advance & average users) still purchase these devices?

Ask yourself these questions and tell me again if you think we are a significant force.

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[andylulzyou]

Android giving up it's only advantage over iOs is not a good look

 

[WugFresh]

Android giving up it's only advantage over iOs is not a good look

+1, I would take stock iOS over stock android any day.

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[WugFresh]

@PalmerCurling, the more I think about this, the more I realize that we have more leverage than you would think. I am looking forward to sharing my plans with you when I have them solidified.

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[Rami98]

aliasxerog, how did you get the linux kernel running on your droid x? I would like to know and help you out. I want to help test out no matter what. MOTO and Verizon, we re coming after you