Seidio 2600mAh extended battery

[preinvent]

Hi all,

I know have a 2600maH battery to test with - thanks SO much to BPB for sending one my way. I'll keep you updated of any progress I make...

 

[windstrings]

Constantly searching for a solution

I'm seriously thinking about getting the droid incredible.. will be interesting to see if it has the same issue once Seidio releases and extended battery for it.

 

[DF Smod]

Constantly searching for a solution

I'm seriously thinking about getting the droid incredible.. will be interesting to see if it has the same issue once Seidio releases and extended battery for it.

I have also thought about the Incredible, I would miss the slide out keyboard though. I used my upgrade back on Nov 6 for the Droid and there is no way I will pay full price for a phone, Verizon gets enough of my money as it is. My wife is due for an upgrade but if she got the incredible she would never let me touch it. I will wait it out and see what Motorola comes out with next hopefully it is 4G Droid2


Sent from my Droid using the slide-out keyboard

 

[???]

yeah I'm a real keyboard type too.. even thou I have the htc moded onscreen and use it a little from time to time. its normally when my hands are dirty at work and for short replys. long stuff its always eaiser to type on the real one. even thou really, this is the worst real keyboard ive ever owned on a phone. my others i could type without looking, his one i still cant... really.


as for the battery update. i love the charger, i find myself using the stock battery a few days a week now that i have it. like when i know im going to be busy at work on monday and tuesday, i use the stock one and it makes it till i get home and is nicer in my pocket. then my big batt is waiting for me at full charge after work. on my slow long days that the phone will get lots of use, like watching lots of videos. i put the big one in and its always charged up right and i havent been able to kill it in a single day yet. and thats hard use, like display on auto, outside quite a bit on it and screen on times of like 6hours out of a 8hour shift by the time i get home. lol


the stock metter doesnt bother me at all being on red all the time. i know once i see low 3600mv ish, it will be dead soon. thats enough for me.


i wont be upgrading till a full keyboard 4g comes out that the keys are better than this one.

 

[preinvent]

Hi all,

So I charged the 2600 up to 100%, let it run down with my normal usage. Whilst I get 30-32 hours out of the stock battery, I got less than 21 hours out of this.

My guess is that in the same way the phone really doesn't know when the battery is getting properly down to 0%, it also has no real idea when it is fully charged, therefore when it hits 100% it's actually more likely to be somewhere around 40% or something. I'm guessing this based on the fact that it claims I managed to fully charge the phone from my laptop USB in under 2 hours! It is currently running at about 3800mV thinking it's 100%. Which is wrong. If I unplug/replug it drops to 50%. Totally messed up! I suspect this is why so many people here think that the battery is underperforming - they're taking it off charge thinking it's fully charged when it actually isn't.

I'll let it stay on charge for the rest of the day and overnight, see how much difference that makes.

The downside is that Battery Left at least needs to know when the battery is completely full and completely empty to get useful calibration data. I've got a mechanism for calculating 0% (wait til the phone turns off after becoming completely flat!) but will have to figure out some way of knowing when it's really fully charged.

The other downside is that I'm pretty sure the calculations are made within the phones firmware, out of control of even a custom Android ROM - I'm no ROM/firmware expert but I don't see how this could be properly fixed by a software update.

 

[solar]

Hi all,

So I charged the 2600 up to 100%, let it run down with my normal usage. Whilst I get 30-32 hours out of the stock battery, I got less than 21 hours out of this.

My guess is that in the same way the phone really doesn't know when the battery is getting properly down to 0%, it also has no real idea when it is fully charged, therefore when it hits 100% it's actually more likely to be somewhere around 40% or something. I'm guessing this based on the fact that it claims I managed to fully charge the phone from my laptop USB in under 2 hours! It is currently running at about 3800mV thinking it's 100%. Which is wrong. If I unplug/replug it drops to 50%. Totally messed up! I suspect this is why so many people here think that the battery is underperforming - they're taking it off charge thinking it's fully charged when it actually isn't.

I'll let it stay on charge for the rest of the day and overnight, see how much difference that makes.

The downside is that Battery Left at least needs to know when the battery is completely full and completely empty to get useful calibration data. I've got a mechanism for calculating 0% (wait til the phone turns off after becoming completely flat!) but will have to figure out some way of knowing when it's really fully charged.

The other downside is that I'm pretty sure the calculations are made within the phones firmware, out of control of even a custom Android ROM - I'm no ROM/firmware expert but I don't see how this could be properly fixed by a software update.

Yeah, some people have thought it was charged when it wasn't, going by the systems or apps percentage when it wasn't calibrated. Many of us now know that ou really have to pay attention to the Mv reading rather then the percentage or time left. When Batteryleft reaches says 4180Mv, the phone still needs another hour or two at that voltage. The extended battery really requires a good long charge every night it seems. Its tricky to use the extended battery at this point. The only way I can tell how much time I have left at all is the MV. Even after running Batteryleft and the extended batt for weeks, it still doesn't quite sync. But without batterleft, it would be unusable for me.

 

[windstrings]

I have also thought about the Incredible, I would miss the slide out keyboard though.

For you guys who love the keyboard.. keep a lookout for when the moto shadow comes out....
without distracting this thread... here is a good place to go if your considering.

 

[windstrings]

Even after running Batteryleft and the extended batt for weeks, it still doesn't quite sync. But without batterleft, it would be unusable for me.

My last calibration was about 2 weeks ago... been pretty accurate since.... If you haven't calibrated since before 2.1 and or the latest updates to battery left.. it might not hurt.


My battery does fine with a few hours charge if I only used it one day.... only when I drain it dead does it take a while to get a full charge....

It actually charges surprisingly fast.

 

[bhall238]

Hi all,

So I charged the 2600 up to 100%, let it run down with my normal usage. Whilst I get 30-32 hours out of the stock battery, I got less than 21 hours out of this.

My guess is that in the same way the phone really doesn't know when the battery is getting properly down to 0%, it also has no real idea when it is fully charged, therefore when it hits 100% it's actually more likely to be somewhere around 40% or something. I'm guessing this based on the fact that it claims I managed to fully charge the phone from my laptop USB in under 2 hours! It is currently running at about 3800mV thinking it's 100%. Which is wrong. If I unplug/replug it drops to 50%. Totally messed up! I suspect this is why so many people here think that the battery is underperforming - they're taking it off charge thinking it's fully charged when it actually isn't.

.......

I agree, I think people are taking it off too soon. I posted a while back I noticed that using an app called Battery Graph, I saw the % go to 100 after a few hours and then having a sharp linear drop to 5% then begin charging again to 100%. This was happenning while I was sleeping, nothing was running to cause any kind of drain. This never happened with the stock battery, the graph showed it going to 100% and then staying there (I had Battery Graph running back then too). Maybe this is real, something about the way it charges? I do not believe there is anything wrong with my new battery; I am seeing double the life over the stock battery even with accelerated use.

I am in the recalibrate mode of Battery Left because I had calibrated it with the stock battery. Yesterday it took 8 hours to fully charge (Battery Left said 4205mV) from dead, and today at 10:15 I am still at 4043mV. I left it on the charger for about an hour after it said 4205mV too I should mention. Pretty sure I saw that recommended somewhere...

 

[snappingfish]

OK Droids, for a non-techie, please

I am not so techie inclined. I have learned that the more inquisitive I become, the more money I can spend. So, my Motorola Droid is not rooted, and I do not attempt to overclock, etc. I am simply interested in gaining as much runtime as possible on a charge. So my question to you is: would a novice like me easily see then length between charges increase significantly if I purchased the 2800 mAh and the Multi-function battery charger? I see a lot of discussion re the BatteryLeft app, which I have DL'd. I just got it ,so at this time it is still on 'Inaccurate.' I know, I need to recharge, then cycle the phone to fix this. But my interest is in the benefits of the eX life batt.

Thanks for the help in advance. This is a great forum, and one day, if I keep reading in and around these threads, I might get comfortable enough to try some more in-depth trickin' out the phone.

thanks again
fish!

 

[solar]

I can only speak to my experiance thus far, but its not as clear cut as one would hope. It seems like I can somtimes get better runtime out of the phone and other times not, even while running with similar loads. There are a lot of variables as far as load goes and how long its on the charge and such. When I give it a full 8-10 hrs consistantly, I do appear to get more time out of the battery, but its not as night and day as Windstings experiance. It really just need to do some tests and get hard numbers with both stock and extended, but its difficult to recreate the exact load every day since I don't always get a chance to use it the same. I'd say its at least worth a try; although be warned that there have been plenty of dud batterys and a lot of exchanges. More then I think there shouldbe for a finalized product. I might also be agro at the fact that i've had poor performance with another on of their products (innotraveler). I haven't used the multi dock though, so I can't speak to that.

 

[aaf709]

I ordered the multi dock as I either have to make a choice of either having the phone with me or using it to charge a battery. Even if I have the stock battery as a backup, that also has to charge.

I've done 3 full discharge and charge (14 hours this last time) cycles, but the best I've gotten so far is 36 hours (first time), otherwise it's about 27 hours. At no time has Battery Left given me a Time Remaining over 10 hours (this is after calibrations and it says Accurate), despite the fact that it lasts longer. I've added an app called Battery Snap which has some useful information (including a graph), but I won't give up on Battery Left though. For one thing, I like the fact you can put different things on the widget. Right now, Voltage is the most important to see right away (Time Remaining next) and I can see the percentage on the bar at the top. Battery Snap gives voltage as volts (not mV).

BTW, shortly before it went dead, Battery Left gave a Time Remaining time of 4408648:19. Does that happen when the voltage is too low?

I suppose I need more full cycles to see if the battery is good or not. I hope it is. I got it through Amazon so the exchange should be painless.

 

[snappingfish]

around December, seidioseidio was around this thread a lot, answering a few questions, but since the problem with the meter not accurately charting the true remaining time, or usage, or running for a whole day on 5% readings, I haven't seen seidioseidio. I think I'll wait until I find out if this battery actually (1) won't have what seems to be an unusually high rate of returns, and (2) plays nicely with either Battery Left, or the inherent meter, so an accurate estimate of remaining time on the batt can be had.

 

[DF Smod]

Here is another idea, what if the battery meter was removed from the notification bar all together and replaced with the mV data instead at least we wouldn't have to look at a yellow drained battery icon and would have something more stable to go by

 

[windstrings]

I know, I need to recharge, then cycle the phone to fix this.

Recharge and go into the menu of battery left and hit "recalibrate" and then discharge several times with full charges inbetween.

If you don't hit calibrate after a good charge to get the ball rolling, battery left will use that one event "starting from a non charged battery" as part of the averaging scheme to figuring out how much battery time you have left" and cause it to be inaccurate.
When in the calibrating process.. best not to be throwing it on the charger for an hour or so as this puts time gaps in battery lefts averaging scheme. I believe it measures from X voltage to X voltage... marks the time it took to get from that first X to the second X, then goes to the next preset voltage slot.... if you put it on the charger in the middle of all that figuring, it makes everything after that point "till the battery is dead" inaccurate.

Remember battery left is trying to learn your habits and the capability of the battery over time.... adding a charge now and then "even though that may be nor "normal" practice" disturbs the calibrating and it will be forced to wait till next time to get that sample.
Unless Matt corrects me.. thats my understanding....
I don't think its built into the app to start the monitoring process after the first full charge so you have to do it by hitting recalibrate to start fresh.