The Disappointment Thread

[jcardona1]

double click on both if you can't tell which 1 larger native then you are probably right but my eyes can pick out 1 picture larger than the other, laugh out loud
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So larger is better right? I'd take a smaller, sharper pic from the Samsung than a larger, crappy pic from Motorola's cam. In fact, you'd be better off keeping it small. The larger your view the picture the worse it looks. View it small and it looks decent. I thought this was common knowledge.

 

[tgyberg]

^Again, wow! That looks better than real life! So jcard you a Nikkor guy or a Canon guy?!

 

[doublea500]

well the thing about the 8mp vs the 5 mp is that if you look at the specifications, it REALLY brings down the phone. now i have only had motorola phones, and honestly i believe motorola isnt the greatest on its camera. only 1 spec is given for the camera and its the mp (yes really only affects the stretched out pic) but still, thats what im basing the arguement on.

 

[jcardona1]

^Again, wow! That looks better than real life! So jcard you a Nikkor guy or a Canon guy?!

LOL thanks. Nikon all the way baby

 

[Shadez]

Sorry, I think this is absolutely incorrect. The new camera app, coupled with ICS optimizations is what will make this the best camera experience on the market. The zero-shutter lag is because of the os, not the hardware.

Yea but the camera app is ICS .. which still will make the phone the 1st with it

 

[jcardona1]

Sorry, I think this is absolutely incorrect. The new camera app, coupled with ICS optimizations is what will make this the best camera experience on the market. The zero-shutter lag is because of the os, not the hardware.

I disagree 110% and straight into next week. I spent a lot of time playing the cameras on the Bionic and the Samsung Charge (which was on an older OS). The Charge was a hundred times the better camera. Very fast shutter and spot-on color rendition. The Bionic had terrible lag and it's white balance issues made skin tones appear alienish. I don't buy for one minute, that camera is software only. Motorola doesn't give a crap about their cameras, and they've been proving it for the past two years since the D1.

 

[Shadez]

I disagree 110% and straight into next week. I spent a lot of time playing the cameras on the Bionic and the Samsung Charge (which was on an older OS). The Charge was a hundred times the better camera. Very fast shutter and spot-on color rendition. The Bionic had terrible lag and it's white balance issues made skin tones appear alienish. I don't buy for one minute, that camera is software only. Motorola doesn't give a crap about their cameras, and they've been proving it for the past two years since the D1.

I'm just the messenger here, so don't jump on me for this post: But this is from Motorola Forums:

Hello shadez69 and thank you for your post and feedback. I have followed the camera(s) on the Motorola Android smart phones since the introduction of the original Droid and I have spent many, many hours studying photos, EXIF data, technical specifications, etc. and I have determined (to my satisfaction) that the Motorola camera hardware is as good as many and better than most. It's the software that needs either serious tweaking or even being completely rewritten. Why this has not been addressed more extensively than it has remains a mystery. Zero (or nearly zero) shutter lag is completely possible on the existing phones as well as more exacting rendering of colors and low light photography, among other things. There has not been enough "squeek" on this wheel, IMHO, to have the camera firmware developers to take this issue more seriously. Hopefully, that will soon change. --- Dan

 

[jcardona1]

I'm just the messenger here, so don't jump on me for this post: But this is from Motorola Forums:

Hello shadez69 and thank you for your post and feedback. I have followed the camera(s) on the Motorola Android smart phones since the introduction of the original Droid and I have spent many, many hours studying photos, EXIF data, technical specifications, etc. and I have determined (to my satisfaction) that the Motorola camera hardware is as good as many and better than most. It's the software that needs either serious tweaking or even being completely rewritten. Why this has not been addressed more extensively than it has remains a mystery. Zero (or nearly zero) shutter lag is completely possible on the existing phones as well as more exacting rendering of colors and low light photography, among other things. There has not been enough "squeek" on this wheel, IMHO, to have the camera firmware developers to take this issue more seriously. Hopefully, that will soon change. --- Dan

Ah yes I remember seeing you post this somewhere else. Did this come from Motorola directly? So if they say the camera's fine, then what it is? The Android OS? Or the stuff that Motorola adds on top of it? This is the part I don't get. What exactly are they doing here? And what is Samsung doing differently? If the Charge with Touchwiz and the Galaxy Nexus with vanilla Android both take better pictures than a Motorola phone, where is the problem? Is Motorola adding a custom camera app? Wasn't the D1 vanilla Android?

 

[Shadez]

Ah yes I remember seeing you post this somewhere else. Did this come from Motorola directly? So if they say the camera's fine, then what it is? The Android OS? Or the stuff that Motorola adds on top of it? This is the part I don't get. What exactly are they doing here? And what is Samsung doing differently? If the Charge with Touchwiz and the Galaxy Nexus with vanilla Android both take better pictures than a Motorola phone, where is the problem? Is Motorola adding a custom camera app?

This is from a 'MotoXpert', I'm new to the moto forums, so whatever that means... but anyways, I do believe software plays a part, but I look at it like moto locked the capabilities of the camera for whatever reason. There are several 3rd party camera apps, and none of them really improve the image much better. This person who posted this did come across as genuine and impartial, as he stated, more should be done. But I think we will know for sure, with ICS, whether it's hardware or software.

And by the way, I told you not to post the pic of your Nikon that I took with my Bionic publicly

 

[jcardona1]

This is from a 'MotoXpert', I'm new to the moto forums, so whatever that means... but anyways, I do believe software plays a part, but I look at it like moto locked the capabilities of the camera for whatever reason. There are several 3rd party camera apps, and none of them really improve the image much better. This person who posted this did come across as genuine and impartial, as he stated, more should be done. But I think we will know for sure, with ICS, whether it's hardware or software.

And by the way, I told you not to post the pic of your Nikon that I took with my Bionic publicly

Ha! That was actually taken with my D1 The sad part is, every pic I take with my D1 I spend several minutes editing it in PicSay Pro to make it look like what it SHOULD have come out of the camera.

That's interesting on the locked camera part. So on the D1 with an unlocked bootloader, this hasn't been figured out? Or something that can even be messed with?

 

[Shadez]

Ha! That was actually taken with my D1 The sad part is, every pic I take with my D1 I spend several minutes editing it in PicSay Pro to make it look like what it SHOULD have come out of the camera.

That's interesting on the locked camera part. So on the D1 with an unlocked bootloader, this hasn't been figured out? Or something that can even be messed with?

Well that is an amazing photo coming from any droid. I thought it was taken with another nikon. I may have to invest in picsay pro. I had the free version a long time ago.. and I'm not sure why motorola does what they do, but I do have a strong feeling that ICS is just going to make a lot of us happy, especially seeing as Google owns MotoMobile now...

 

[jcardona1]

Well that is an amazing photo coming from any droid. I thought it was taken with another nikon. I may have to invest in picsay pro. I had the free version a long time ago.. and I'm not sure why motorola does what they do, but I do have a strong feeling that ICS is just going to make a lot of us happy, especially seeing as Google owns MotoMobile now...

It's a really great app. I've had it for so long though, that I'm sure there's other equally good apps on the market.

Now I just had another thought. Does anybody know if there's any apps out there that apply automatic predetermined adjustments to each photo as it's taken? I feel like I always do the EXACT same edits to every single photo I take:

Contrast +10
Saturation +15
Temperature +40
Sharpness +60

If there was an app that would do this via presets that would rock. If somebody uses my idea and makes and app, please give me credit :biggrin:

 

[tgyberg]

It's a really great app. I've had it for so long though, that I'm sure there's other equally good apps on the market.

Now I just had another thought. Does anybody know if there's any apps out there that apply automatic predetermined adjustments to each photo as it's taken? I feel like I always do the EXACT same edits to every single photo I take:

Contrast +10
Saturation +15
Temperature +40
Sharpness +60

If there was an app that would do this via presets that would rock. If somebody uses my idea and makes and app, please give me credit :biggrin:

Or save a bunch of time and simply write "sorry, this pic is from my phone". Done and done!

 

[Briankbl]

I'm just the messenger here, so don't jump on me for this post: But this is from Motorola Forums:

Hello shadez69 and thank you for your post and feedback. I have followed the camera(s) on the Motorola Android smart phones since the introduction of the original Droid and I have spent many, many hours studying photos, EXIF data, technical specifications, etc. and I have determined (to my satisfaction) that the Motorola camera hardware is as good as many and better than most. It's the software that needs either serious tweaking or even being completely rewritten. Why this has not been addressed more extensively than it has remains a mystery. Zero (or nearly zero) shutter lag is completely possible on the existing phones as well as more exacting rendering of colors and low light photography, among other things. There has not been enough "squeek" on this wheel, IMHO, to have the camera firmware developers to take this issue more seriously. Hopefully, that will soon change. --- Dan

Here's my problem with this statement.

Phone A is running GB2.3 and has crappy pic quality.
Phone B is running GB2.3 and has great pic quality.

Common sense would lead me to believe that the issue lies more with the quality make of the camera itself, rather than the software.

Sent using common sense.

 

[y0manda]

If I was still using the Droid 1, I would be disappointed too.

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