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Verizon Drops The Axe! Will Disconnect Unlimited Data Users Using Extraordinary Amounts Of Data!

20gb? I'm good. Most I use is 12.

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FoxCat, you're the expert. Let me ask this. What happens when XLTE or 5G which is really 100x faster than current LTE speeds (can be upwards of 60mbps in my area in Central NJ) is deployed in it's entirety? The cost of overages will be shifted to current and new customers, as most users will eat into the data cap so much faster at a higher bandwidth speed. I know I'd be doing a lot more YouTube and Pandora, besides gaming. It kind of worries me that the cost of these plans once you go past the XXL plan prices rise extraordinary. Even with the carryover and safety mode option, how good of a product can you get on throttled speed?

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FoxCat, you're the expert. Let me ask this. What happens when XLTE or 5G which is really 100x faster than current LTE speeds (can be upwards of 60mbps in my area in Central NJ) is deployed in it's entirety? The cost of overages will be shifted to current and new customers, as most users will eat into the data cap so much faster at a higher bandwidth speed. I know I'd be doing a lot more YouTube and Pandora, besides gaming. It kind of worries me that the cost of these plans once you go past the XXL plan prices rise extraordinary. Even with the carryover and safety mode option, how good of a product can you get on throttled speed?

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The YouTube video will continue to play back at its current speed . A 5 minute video will still be a 5 minute video, taking 5 minutes to view. It'll just take less time for it to download and begin to play. How is that using more data?

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Sorry, that's not how it works MBM. (At least in regards to throttled data) A YT video will start playing and then start buffering and then start playing and then start buffering and so on. It doesn't buffer until the video is completely loaded into your cache and then start playing, unless you press pause. So a 5 minute video can actually take you 10+ minutes to watch on a throttled 2G connection.

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Sorry, that's not how it works MBM. (At least in regards to throttled data) A YT video will start playing and then start buffering and then start playing and then start buffering and so on. It doesn't buffer until the video is completely loaded into your cache and then start playing, unless you press pause. So a 5 minute video can actually take you 10+ minutes to watch on a throttled 2G connection.

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He's referring to the faster speeds of 5g. A 5min video will use the same amount of data on current 4g as upcoming 5g. Faster download does not equate to more usage.

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It's not business it's being GREEDY and being Verizon. that's all it is.
Actually it is business. They are a for profit company. Just like any other they are in it to make money not make friends. It's not greed or bullying or them not caring. It's business plain and simple.
If you owned an automotive service shop and charge $10 for an oil change 10 years ago, would you charge the same amount today to old customers just because they were old customers? No...you'd lose money on every service.

The sense of entitlement that people have about this is kinda silly...

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Actually it is business. They are a for profit company. Just like any other they are in it to make money not make friends. It's not greed or bullying or them not caring. It's business plain and simple.
If you owned an automotive service shop and charge $10 for an oil change 10 years ago, would you charge the same amount today to old customers just because they were old customers? No...you'd lose money on every service.

The sense of entitlement that people have about this is kinda silly...

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First off, being for profit DOES NOT mean you need to do this kind of stuff, honestly does my using 20gb of data a month hurt verizon or any of their customers? NO it doesn't, they want me to pay more than $50 per month for my data so they are going to do ANYTHING they can to switch me from my plan, that includes being greedy.

I do run a business, I do know exactly what it means to make profit, the problem is so MANY businesses put profit before BEING a decent business. It's all about the RED LINE it's all about how can we MAXIMIZE profit. It's all about the shareholders and NOT the customers. It's complete BS.

How about people that think these companies can do NO WRONG and we're just sitting here whining about nothing cause we're OH SO ENTITLED.

Jump down of your high horse buddy. I'm not entitled I pay a monthly service fee and HAVE NOT changed my plan for a reason, I save money this way, I pay for my service AND I continued to even after they upped the price. That's not being entiteled that's getting what I've paid for.

I'm not saying there aren't people abusing the system, I'm not saying something shouldn't be done. but seriously I use 20gb on my phone, between google play music streaming and netflix when not at home I use quite a bit of data legitimately.
 
Both @mountainbikermark and @cr6 are right. Depending on how fast a connection you have now, watching a YT video should be free from stalling and so a 5 minute video should be 5 minutes, as MBM mentioned. At the same time, in a throttled data connection there could be playing that exceeds the rate of buffering, causing stalls in the play while the buffer has to refill and catch up. It all comes down to data rate versus frame rate. Each frame in a 30 FPS video uses a set amount of data and so in one second of video the stream will use 30X that frame data amount. Unless the data rate can keep up the buffering will occur. You can be sure it will occur for some while being throttled. The depth at which they throttle may be minimal initially or for most, but they reserve the right to throttle to an equivalent rate of 2G. That would certainly result in buffering of a YT video.

As for the costs for new 5G network, and the OP's initial question below;

"...What happens when XLTE or 5G which is really 100x faster than current LTE speeds (can be upwards of 60mbps in my area in Central NJ) is deployed in it's entirety? The cost of overages will be shifted to current and new customers, as most users will eat into the data cap so much faster at a higher bandwidth speed."

Truth is 5G can be as much as 100X faster, but will roll out at no where near that level of increase. It's more likely to be rolled out at maybe 10X to 30X faster initially, but can certainly be ramped up as the network sees fit. It's not really accurate though, to say users will eat into the data cap faster, unless they are doing things like downloading video or audio to hoard it, or who choose to use their cellular data service as the source for their laptops and desktops.

"I know I'd be doing a lot more YouTube and Pandora, besides gaming. It kind of worries me that the cost of these plans once you go past the XXL plan prices rise extraordinary. Even with the carryover and safety mode option, how good of a product can you get on throttled speed?"

Yes, costs above XXL rise quite significantly but there are very few people who will need such high data packages. Also, if you are smart about your data use and WIFI when and wherever possible you will keep your paid data to a minimum. Still, throttled will be for many a very slow and painfully uncomfortable rate of data. It's not meant to provide a continued user experience comparable to 5G or 4G, and even may not provide a 3G experience, if Verizon chooses to go to the lower limit they've set for themselves.

For the costs of overages to be put onto the shoulders of those who use the data in such a way as to exceed their pricing plans, that is just how it should be. I don't want to subsidize your data, and I'm sure you don't want to subsidize mine. If I use 10GB or 100GB, I will pay the same, however I risk (now), losing my UDP altogether if I use the latter. If I either choose to, or am forced onto a tiered plan you can bet I will do two things... First, I will buy the plan that provides me sufficient buffer above my average data usage so that I don't fear going over, but second I will add the Safety Mode and if I hit it I may at that time increase to the next level up in the plan offerings.

Today I checked and I could get 40GB for less than I am paying now for UDP. I use an average of 24GB, even taking into consideration two months of extremely exceptional circumstances, where I used over 30GB followed by close to 80GB the next month. If I take those two months out of the average then I'm running at about 9GB so 40GB would be quite a huge margin to protect me from overages and from throttling.
 
You don't pay for your service. It's not offered anymore. You do feel entitled since you think you should keep something that's not offered anymore.

I'm not on a high horse. I really don't care. This doesn't effect me at all and seeing all the whining is funny. Soon all the "I'm leaving if they do this to me" talk will start. But in the end most will stay make the change.

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You don't pay for your service. It's not offered anymore. You do feel entitled since you think you should keep something that's not offered anymore.

I'm not on a high horse. I really don't care. This doesn't effect me at all and seeing all the whining is funny. Soon all the "I'm leaving if they do this to me" talk will start. But in the end most will stay make the change.

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Nope pretty sure I pay my bill monthly, and my bill shows that I have unlimited data at $50 per month... that means I most certainly PAY for my service. You really can't argue that fact.

If Verizon gave me the service and this plan for free or the government paid for it or any OTHER person then sure, I don't pay for it. I DO PAY MY BILL EVERY MONTH... I pay for this service, regardless of whether they offer it to NEW users doesn't matter, I was a user when they offered it and I will maintain it. IF they want to cut it off, fine, I'll leave.that's not mean threatening or yelling it's just the truth, that's the one thing I always said would make me leave, take my unlimited data.
 
The fact that Verizon just raised our UDP prices by 20 bucks just a few months ago and are now suddenly deciding that because it didn't get enough people to dump their grandfathered UDPs, shows pure greed on their part, not business for the sake of being in business. The amount of data I use doesn't negatively impact you OR Verizon, it's all about doing everything they can to milk the customer for every dime they can Period.

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I've tested FI where I frequent. It works great. It will work great for when this ball drops. It's not a matter of if, it's when. I will leave vzw. If I don't have service somewhere, so be it. I grew up without the internet, cell phones, etc. I've been with them since 1998. Do they care, nope.

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I'm not arguing that you pay your bill. But the service you signed up for is no longer offered. They are under no obligation to maintain that service since it is no longer offered. That's all I'm saying really.

It's no longer in their interest to maintain these plans and they are phasing them out. Been a long time coming and I'm surprised it took this long.

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