Verizon Plans to Stop Unsanctioned Tethering that Uses Unofficial Apps

[czerdrill]

The people using it as an ISP have ruined it for the people who just want to do it every now and again. Ah, well. It was nice while it lasted.

I don't think that's it at all.

The fact is, Vzw knows they can get more money, and so they are going to do whatever it takes.

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

 

[Dusty]

Oh Lord. Here come the analogies.

Not just you in particular SquireSCA. But EVERY time this topic comes up there is always a flood of posts that start of with, "Let's say you bought an 'X'..." and it never ends well because, no matter what, they'll never see it your way.

 

[NeoandGeo]

TOS is a man that likes being blown by lackeys. There are lots of thrill seekers for him to feed on here.

 

[czerdrill]

TOS is a man that likes being blown by lackeys. There are lots of thrill seekers for him to feed on here.

This right here is how people who stick it to the man speak......glad I'm not apart of that group

 

[NeoandGeo]

Yep. Instead of bending over for everything like you I choose the most appropriate agenda to stand for.

 

[SquireSCA]

I don't think that's it at all.

The fact is, Vzw knows they can get more money, and so they are going to do whatever it takes.

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

They are charging you for the same packets of data, twice.

I don't even tether, I have GB OTA and am unrooted with no tethering apps installed.

But it is crappy that they charge you twice for the same data, just because you found it easier to view the eBay page on your tab rather than your Droid.

 

[km75]

I don't think that's it at all.

The fact is, Vzw knows they can get more money, and so they are going to do whatever it takes.

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

Maybe his car analogy was a little flawed. But I'm pretty sure if a person has a warranty on their vehicle they wouldn't void the terms of that warranty just bcuz they decided everyday they were going to use that vehicle to tow one of their other vehicles (motorycycle, boat, etc). IJS

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[czerdrill]

Yep. Instead of bending over for everything like you I choose the most appropriate agenda to stand for.

Yes the agenda that no one is stopping...talk about picking your battles...

 

[OneTenderRebel]

I bet the same people who feel entitled to free tethering would be the same people who would feel entitled to whatever was in the stores in London because of the riots.

Hey look at that I can make completely ridiculous and irrelevant analogies too.

 

[czerdrill]

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

Maybe his car analogy was a little flawed. But I'm pretty sure if a person has a warranty on their vehicle they wouldn't void the terms of that warranty just bcuz they decided everyday they were going to use that vehicle to tow one of their other vehicles (motorycycle, boat, etc). IJS

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Unless of course the terms of the warranty said it would be voided, right?

 

[SquireSCA]

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

Maybe his car analogy was a little flawed. But I'm pretty sure if a person has a warranty on their vehicle they wouldn't void the terms of that warranty just bcuz they decided everyday they were going to use that vehicle to tow one of their other vehicles (motorycycle, boat, etc). IJS

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Well, the problem with an analogy, a simile or metaphor is that they are suppised to give a "similar" situation in order to help illustrate a point. The problem is that people will try to take it literally, find the flaw so that they can dismiss the entire premise, which means that they completely missed the point most of the time...

Doesn't matter, I don't tether, but I do think it is crappy that VZW tries to make people out as theives and villains simply because they decided how to define the term in a way that suits them financially.

Like I said, the second another carrier offers free tethering as part of their phone data plan and people start to take advantage of it, VZW will suddenly change their tune rather than lose customers.

They only charge for it now because they feel they can get away with it and because most of their customers are locked into a lengthy contract. If there were no contracts, the landcape of features, products and service would be vastly different than it is today.

Companies act very differently when they have everything to lose, as opposed to having 90% of their customers by the short and curlies in legal contracts.

VERY differently...

 

[SquireSCA]

I bet the same people who feel entitled to free tethering would be the same people who would feel entitled to whatever was in the stores in London because of the riots.

Hey look at that I can make completely ridiculous and irrelevant analogies too.

If they pay for the TV and then were asked to pay for it again because Samsung wanted to show higher profits, yeah, I can see a lot of them telling them to pound sand... LOL

 

[OneTenderRebel]

I bet the same people who feel entitled to free tethering would be the same people who would feel entitled to whatever was in the stores in London because of the riots.

Hey look at that I can make completely ridiculous and irrelevant analogies too.

If they pay for the TV and then were asked to pay for it again because Samsung wanted to show higher profits, yeah, I can see a lot of them telling them to pound sand... LOL

Well that would be true but if you signed a contract for the TV that clearly states "you have to pay for this TV again", who's at fault now? Yes it's stupid and greedy but you signed the contract.

 

[OneTenderRebel]

You guys think the people speaking against tethering just love the VZW pricing points and think it's totally fair to charge what they do but that simply is not true. All I am debating is for the simple understanding of a binding contract you sign when you become a VZW customer. I have no issue with those who tether, I do have an issue for complete ignorance to the ToS, whether the ToS are greedy, ridiculous, stupid, insert any bad adjective here.

 

[czerdrill]

Exactly. VZW will charge for anything and everything they can to make money. People try to make it out as stealing and it really isn't, other than by VZW's definition. If you went and bought a new car, paid $20k for it and then Ford said that they would charge you an extra $50 a month on top of your payment to make left hand turns, that amounts to what they are doing here in a lot of ways.

Just because they take a built in feature and on paper, break it out as a separate feature and add a fee, doesn't make it an additional feature, not all the time anyway. They are charging for it only because they think that people will be willing to pay for it. They would charge you per character of text, if they thought that most people would pay it. The only reason they offer unlimited text, is because another carrier did and so to be competitive they need to do it also.

They offered unlimited data because one carrier did, but then one carrier decides to cap and tier data, so the rest do.

As soon as someone offers free tethering, but limits the data to whatever your phone's data tier is, the rest will drop it.

They would start charging you $300 a month, starting tomorrow for the same plan you have today, if they thought that they could get away with it.

Yeah, every company wants a profit, but there are times that they get greedy. Like Netflix decided to just double their rates overnight, things like that...

Your car example is another of the many flawed analogies that ppl make when it comes to tethering....you were sold a phone with a data plan to be used on the phone only. Further, you agreed to not tether...so let's make your car example correct. Its you buying a 20k car, agreeing to pay $50/month to make left hand turns, and then whining when ford charges you. That's the part that tetherers leave out or twist into "I'm sticking it to the man!"....pretty easy to stick it to the man and make idle threats about leaving when the man is looking the other way. Ppl will comply if vzw shuts tethering down...they always do. Whining on a forum is easy I guess...

They are charging you for the same packets of data, twice.

I don't even tether, I have GB OTA and am unrooted with no tethering apps installed.

But it is crappy that they charge you twice for the same data, just because you found it easier to view the eBay page on your tab rather than your Droid.

Tbh I've never once heard someone say tethering data is some special data and is separate from smartphone data. So I never understand the "data is data!!!" crowd. Everyone knows it is, that's not the point. Nor is the point whether its a cardinal sin to tether....the point is verizon tells you there are charges for tethering, you agree, then you tether and whine when vzw threatens to shut it down. Makes no sense...at all. You weren't forced into verizon, weren't forced to get a smartphone, and you agreed to the terms....whining just makes ppl look like whiners...plain and simple.

And like I said, its an easy battle to fight cuz vzw hasn't done anything yet. Ppl will simply comply when they do..