VZW disabling tethering apps from market

[NeoandGeo]

That sounds a little extreme. I already do my part by streaming my slingbox on my way to work and streaming XM on the way home. Sitting at 6-8GB a month with less than 100MB tethering usage due to intermittent technical issues with home internet.

The best way to protest is to find legitimate ways to up your bandwidth usage. Verizon needs to start spending money on upgrading, and not simply taking more money from the consumer while doing as little as possible to keep the network stable.

 

[rfrisbey]

Nothing about Verizon is "CHEAP"

so let's bog down the network for the millions who have no need for tethering just because we're too cheap to pay for a service? awesome idea...

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Too Cheap? What's a reasonable cost for data? With a $240.00 a month bill for 2 phones and 1 mobile hot spot I wouldn't say I am too cheap to pay for anything. It's a question of protesting an unreasonable (IMO) restriction on how I use the bandwidth I pay for. I don't use huge amounts of data. I'm just a fan of constitutionality and our ability to express our displeasure. perhaps it would be better to "set up a protest that impacts the network for a preset time on a specific date. As I said if there are enough users tethering to impact the network maybe the "millions" of tethering users have a right to express our opinions just as non tethering users. While it is the carriers network, to control as they wish, they may wish to do something else if their customers make a statement.

 

[czerdrill]

so let's bog down the network for the millions who have no need for tethering just because we're too cheap to pay for a service? awesome idea...

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Too Cheap? What's a reasonable cost for data? With a $240.00 a month bill for 2 phones and 1 mobile hot spot I wouldn't say I am too cheap to pay for anything. It's a question of protesting an unreasonable (IMO) restriction on how I use the bandwidth I pay for. I don't use huge amounts of data. I'm just a fan of constitutionality and our ability to express our displeasure. perhaps it would be better to "set up a protest that impacts the network for a preset time on a specific date. As I said if there are enough users tethering to impact the network maybe the "millions" of tethering users have a right to express our opinions just as non tethering users. While it is the carriers network, to control as they wish, they may wish to do something else if their customers make a statement.

several flaws:

1) there are not millions of tetherers especially tetherers who don't pay for tethering. i would be surprised if there's even 50,000 people who tether without paying.

2) being a fan of constitutionality is all well and good, but there's far better ways to do it then purposely bogging down the network, screwing the ppl who don't care about your stance, and find workarounds to a paid service. that's the problem with android users. their solution for everything is "let's beat the system" rather then let's do something constructive that might actually make change. do you really think VZW cares what those ppl think when those ppl have been stealing service for two years?

3) any change VZW makes is going to benefit them, not you. they're not going to say "oh well, these guys complained let's take the loss and give them what they want"...if/when they do make a change, people will whine then too.

if they include tethering in their tiered plans, that should (theoretically) shut people up, right? data is data, you get to do whatever you want with your data, and you can pick how much data you want, right? however, we both know that's not going to be the case. at that point the whiners will whine about the tiers.

maybe you're not cheap, but your plan to bog down the network on purpose to "stick it to the man" is childish. either pay for tethering, leave VZW, or wait for their tiers and hope tethering is included. purposely abusing their network is not gonna make them say "oh those big galoots, they got us!! let's go ahead and let them have full reign of our network now!!"

 

[kodiak799]

maybe you're not cheap, but your plan to bog down the network on purpose to "stick it to the man" is childish. either pay for tethering, leave VZW, or wait for their tiers and hope tethering is included. purposely abusing their network is not gonna make them say "oh those big galoots, they got us!! let's go ahead and let them have full reign of our network now!!"

Ha, kind of like the PS hackers. While what they did sort of brought a smile to my face, it's mainly because my PS3 is little more than a DVD player. The fact that their "statement" basically shafted millions of PS3 users who couldn't care less about Geohot and homebrews is childish, wrong and criminal.

 

[NeoandGeo]

The only whining will come if Verizon ignorantly institutes tiers with low caps, and/or high overages. They are trying to hold on to legacy pricing and ride the wave of gouging due to lack of real competition.

 

[czerdrill]

maybe you're not cheap, but your plan to bog down the network on purpose to "stick it to the man" is childish. either pay for tethering, leave VZW, or wait for their tiers and hope tethering is included. purposely abusing their network is not gonna make them say "oh those big galoots, they got us!! let's go ahead and let them have full reign of our network now!!"

Ha, kind of like the PS hackers. While what they did sort of brought a smile to my face, it's mainly because my PS3 is little more than a DVD player. The fact that their "statement" basically shafted millions of PS3 users who couldn't care less about Geohot and homebrews is childish, wrong and criminal.

it's funny you mention that because I was going to point out that exact thing in my post. i only didn't because those anonymous idiots denied they had anything to do with the ps3 hack (not that they're credible or anything, but didn't want to point fingers). but that's exactly what i'm talking about.

if it was anonymous who did it, they affected what was it 70 something million ps3 users worldwide for an entire month, because some idiot hacker took a settlement with Sony? And that's somehow supposed to make Sony crumble in defeat? haha

exact situation here, abusing VZW's network on purpose as some sort of vigilante justice will solve nothing and will actually only make everyone's experience worse, not better.

 

[NeoandGeo]

This is the kind of talk that would have denied an America in its current state if they had employed this thinking when it mattered. You have to fight, and not just take whatever is given to you.

 

[czerdrill]

The only whining will come if Verizon ignorantly institutes tiers with low caps, and/or high overages. They are trying to hold on to legacy pricing and ride the wave of gouging due to lack of real competition.

I agree...if it's a blatantly ridiculous tier then i think the whining is justified, however they're not going to just arbitrarily pick tiers. they're going to look at their competitors, as well as the average usage of their customers and price accordingly. in other words, one of their tiers is not going to be 500MB for $45...so any whining that happens after tiers are introduced will most probably be just that...entitled whiners whining like they always do.

 

[NeoandGeo]

If they look at the competition, then that is an immediate failure. Companies need to stop holding back progress.

If their tiers are unfair in my eyes I will up my data usage on my unlimited plan as much as I can simply to spite the stupidity that companies pretending to compete show.

 

[czerdrill]

This is the kind of talk that would have denied an America in its current state if they had employed this thinking when it mattered. You have to fight, and not just take whatever is given to you.

the problem is you're not fighting the right way. this is not some civil rights argument where some grave injustice is being done against a whole group of people. it's a company charging for a service. you don't fight that by stealing the service. you fight that with your wallet (leaving) or taking it to court (or arbitration in this case). android users seem to think that the solution is let's hack away until they stop it, and then hack away again. you ppl have been doing that for two years and you've gotten nowhere. at what point do you realize you're wasting your time?

 

[kodiak799]

exact situation here, abusing VZW's network on purpose as some sort of vigilante justice will solve nothing and will actually only make everyone's experience worse, not better.

Yeah, VZW will just throttle without even blinking. They aren't going to bend over backwards and sacrifice profits when there is a segment of the market that is highly transient ("switchers") between networks - there's turn that's unavoidable. And as we've seen, the majority of these "dissatisfied" users are making only idle threats to leave.

And that turn isn't going to hurt them all that much when the big money is in upgrading some 2/3 of their users who don't currently have smartphones. Not to mention, tablets are attracting new data subscriptions and even second data plans from existing smartphone users.

 

[czerdrill]

If they look at the competition, then that is an immediate failure. Companies need to stop holding back progress.

If their tiers are unfair in my eyes I will up my data usage on my unlimited plan as much as I can simply to spite the stupidity that companies pretending to compete show.

what exactly would you consider a fair tier? that includes both tethering and data in one? this should be good.

 

[kodiak799]

This is the kind of talk that would have denied an America in its current state if they had employed this thinking when it mattered. You have to fight, and not just take whatever is given to you.

Others have long learned voting with their wallet is more effective, and without the hassles.

 

[NeoandGeo]

$5/GB would be a fair deal, imo.

 

[NeoandGeo]

This is the kind of talk that would have denied an America in its current state if they had employed this thinking when it mattered. You have to fight, and not just take whatever is given to you.

Others have long learned voting with their wallet is more effective, and without the hassles.

I do vote with my wallet. As long as I can use my data how I want (which I have been for many years now) I will give them my money. If they force it away from me, I will return my phones and go elsewhere. Simple.