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Battery life

instead of trying to describe my usage, i'll give this:

i'm consistently getting 16-20 hours on the RAZR doing the same things that I did with my Bionic, which would only give 6-8 hours.

interestingly...or not, i had setup my og droid with Liquid Rom on 11/10/11, in the event i decided against the RAZR and had to go back to old phone for a while. it's sitting on wifi, but no cellular connection. haven't touched it since Thursday, but took a peak at it this morning, four days later, and it's sitting at 60% :)
 
In about a week I will be posting a detailed review of battery life of the Droid Razr verses Droid X, with a breakdown for different activities. This process takes a while since I run the experiments multiple times to replicate and validate the results. Right now I'm testing the Razr with Netflix on 3g. Will also do the same using 4g. Already completed the tests on the Droid X.


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still testing and recording data. Will post a summary and link to my Google doc that has the raw data. So far I have discovered that Droid Razr is slightly better then Droid X for watching Netflix on 3g. Fully charging the batteries, you can watch 2.5 hours of Netflix on Droid X or a little over 3 hours on Droid Razr before each battery dies, using 3g network for each.

Much more comparisons to follow, including 3g vs 4g vs WiFi on Droid Razr watching Netflix.

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For a 4G phone 12 hours is good.

A replacement was not offered as an option. I was told that my experience was typical and not all that bad (I was getting 12 hours between charges after all). They did suggest either an extended battery case (negating the value of a thin phone) or extra chargers for the car or wherever I am on the move. I opted to return the device. Maybe a two-mile long extension cord? :biggrin: They did mention turning off 4G to extend the battery life and enabling it when I needed to do something on the web. It came down to too many workarounds decreasing the value (to me) of the phone.
 
I get 6-8 hours one day, then 4 hours the next. Though I am constantly on 4G. I just hope that I can figure out how you guys are getting better battery life.
 
I get 6-8 hours one day, then 4 hours the next. Though I am constantly on 4G. I just hope that I can figure out how you guys are getting better battery life.

Try using your smart action app to turn off cellular data when you shut your screen off. You can still receive calls and texts. I do this and it slows battery drain a lot.

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Try using your smart action app to turn off cellular data when you shut your screen off. You can still receive calls and texts. I do this and it slows battery drain a lot.

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Hey Deron, If you do this, and then turn your screen on and immediately try to access a webpage, how long does it take for your signal to become reestablished and data to start flowing again? I don't sync anything really, so this would be good for me unless there is a delay in being able to access data once the screen is turned on.
 
Try using your smart action app to turn off cellular data when you shut your screen off. You can still receive calls and texts. I do this and it slows battery drain a lot. Sent from my DROID RAZR using DroidForums
Would that be the "Battery Extender" rule that simply turns off GPS/Background Sync when the screen is off or are you doing something more detailed with "cellular data"?
 
WOW. The "Battery Extender" in smart actions just saved my phone! I was sadly considering taking mine back because my battery experience the first couple of days was so very bad. I can't have a phone that can't last a day. Thankfully, that's not a problem for me now. Since I found out about battery extender in this forum, (I had set up a couple of smart actions but somehow missed that one) I turned it on when I turned my phone on 12.5 hours ago. After normal-heavy use (for me) I am at 37%. Plenty good enough. I am psyched, as I love this phone. Whew. Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Hey Deron, If you do this, and then turn your screen on and immediately try to access a webpage, how long does it take for your signal to become reestablished and data to start flowing again? I don't sync anything really, so this would be good for me unless there is a delay in being able to access data once the screen is turned on.

Most of the time there is a 5 to 10 second delay. However, if I am in an area with a weak 4g signal and I have the phone set to CDMA/LTE mode, it takes a bit longer.

There is also an option to have the wireless data turn off only after the screen is off AND no motion has been detected for a few minutes.

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Would that be the "Battery Extender" rule that simply turns off GPS/Background Sync when the screen is off or are you doing something more detailed with "cellular data"?

No, I added the rule to turn off cellular data. This will turn off the 3g and/or 4g radio in the phone, while leaving the 1x data (used for calls and texts) on.

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You can even get more fancy with smart actions. I set it up where the cellular data stays off when my screen is off, but still turns on for 15 min every 4 hours so it can briefly sync and grab emails. I do this by creating blocks of time 0815 to 1200, 1215 to 1600, 1615 to 2000, and so on. Then I add all those time slots to my triggers along with screen off, and set action to turn off cellular data. Now my 4g stays off when my phone screen is off, except turning on for short periods every 4 hours to grab my email.

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It bears mentioning again some things that are pointed out on the first page of this thread (I've added data from Battery University to give you better details).

  1. You should fully charge the battery before you use it the first time. The batteries are shipped with some charge but since they are stressed at full charge or discharge, they are not fully charged.
  2. You don't condition the battery, you condition the phone. And you do that by running the battery down until your phone shuts down and then charge it fully without doing anything else. Your phone maintains a status file (batterystats.bin) and it must learn about your batteries capacity. It may take up to five days for it to get it completely right. I would resist doing this more than once a quarter or so since the battery is also stressed at low charge and discharge. It can only sustain a certain number of charge/discharge cycles. I expect that the phone and charging system might work to help protect it from full charges or full discharges, I just haven't seen any reliable information saying so. From my experience, leaving your phone in the charger will not do much damage to it and others I trust have said similar things about discharging the phone completely on a monthly basis. My Droid 1 (or OG for you urban types:biggrin:) battery lasted for its entire life without any measurable difference in strength and I almost never discharged it completely and always kept it in the charger all night.
Some other things to note:

Update your roaming list (perhaps monthly). If your phone is not aware of the closest towers or their capabilities you could be using a tower with less strength. Naturally if the radio has to work harder to maintain a connection, it will use more power.

Using WiFi instead of 3G is not only faster but seems more battery efficient. I'm not sure if the efficiency is true with 4G but would guess so.

Leaving your WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth... on when their isn't anything for them to do will eat away at your battery at a higher rate since they are constantly searching for a signal.

What you use is almost more important than how you use it. Under Settings, Battery and Data Manager you see a nice picture of a battery that roughly shows its strength, along with a percentage. Note that the percentage is in tenths and rounds as it should. So 60% could be anywhere between 55% and 64%. Circle battery widget will give you a better representation of your battery strength.

If you touch the picture of the battery on that screen, you'll see a graph of your usage and a list of what used the battery. Each of these things will give you more detail if you touch them. Its easy to be driven mad by the list of what used the battery so you should scrutinize it if you are having problems, but remember, as soon as you turn on the phone, something will be using it. These percentages are the amount of the used battery that each item is responsible for. Probably the most useful data can be obtained by touching the graph at the top of the screen since it will give you a graphical representation of things like screen on and awake. This is useful as well for comparing use over a period of testing.

As I said, what you use is almost more important that how you use it. Consider the data an app is likely to use before loading it. You can load your phone up with data intensive apps and widgets and end-up one unhappy user, or you can load it up with widgets that use very little data and have lots of batter left at the end of your day.

And finally, task managers. You'll see and hear many folks saying not to use them. The reason is mostly that you can kill things that then get reloaded, or cause unstable behavior by unwittingly killing important things. The Android OS is not like the Windows OS that so many of us are familiar with. It segments its memory better and it is more efficient. Lots of things get preloaded without using any real battery or processor during the day. The phone tends to run better if its memory is full. If you are going to kill something, pay attention to whether it is running, and to whether it reloads after you kill it. It may be that some other app is using it and killing it is only slowing down your phone and may eat-up more battery. Resist adding things to the auto kill list.

That said, the bloat is reported to be chewing up the battery on some phones. I cannot independently confirm those claims with any real veracity, nor have I seen any real data to suggest they are true. I trust several of the folks who have made the claim so when Root is reversible on your phone, you may find more relief in rooting and carefully freezing the bloat.
 
No, I added the rule to turn off cellular data. This will turn off the 3g and/or 4g radio in the phone, while leaving the 1x data (used for calls and texts) on. Sent from my DROID RAZR using DroidForums
Exactly what I was hoping for. I do have an issue though. Once the phone wakes up it doesn't seem to turn 4G back on (even after a minute). Do I need to make another rule to re-enable it when "screen on" or "charging"? EDIT: I've since added a "Screen On" = "Cellular Data Enabled" and it puts 4G back very quick...so I guess I don't mind having two rules. Either way, thanks!
 
So if you use Battery Extended you cannot get calls or texts?

Yes you can. What he said was that if you add the custom entry for "Cellular Data" Disable to Battery Extender it'll turn off 3G/4G so email and other background sync stuff may stop but calls and texts should continue like you're on the old 1X network. Be sure to test it out if you try it.
 
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