P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers

[dafischman]

I agree that this is not just about tethering and is something much larger if the rumors are true. I'm one of those that has tethered in the past, I know it's against the ToS. If I get busted for my miniscule use, so be it. I have no problem accepting that I may be violating their ToS. That doesn't mean that I agree with their ToS. Sure I signed it, since having a phone with data is a necessity for me and unfortunately there aren't any better options.

As a whole though, I think this is bad for Google and Android. Developers have been migrating to this system because of its openness. I really hope Google stops letting the carriers dictate to them. Google should say no to bloatware that can't be removed, denial or rooting by locking/encrypting boot loaders, and any other anti consumer restrictions. It saddens me to hear that they are actually helping the manufacturers and carriers in this.

Josh

 

[axlx]

bad people are bricking their phone and sending to verizion
[combined with]
A great many not paying for tethering

Correct? keep it short the walls of text aree bugging me now

Nothing is that black & white. Take a DX/2/2G for example. What bricks those devices? The efuse that Motorola enabled on the OMAP processor to do just that. As far as tethering goes the non-root tethering apps are more popular on the market.

Finally others are posting! Page after page read like a 1 man harangue to the forum. I don't know what P3's game is. This turd he blessed us with doesn't make sense & I don't see how it helped his current situation.

agreed. think he took his 5seconds of fame and is now just screwing with ppl when he got his app pulled thinking they were gonna come get us


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[SquireSCA]

I agree - tethering isn't whats pushing this but they have an easier time pointing at it and yelling loudly.

What I still don't get is if this is all about money (it probably is) how much could they possibly be gaining by stopping root users? What is the percentage of users that actually root their phones? It seems like they are expending far more money into the research, development, implementation, and legal aspects of this all then they are going to make back from their investors.

The better question is that if they are successful, what will they have accomplished?

I mean, if I had a real need to tether, I would pay the stupid $20. I am already paying like $130 a month with taxes, what's an extra $20?

How many people, if "illegal" tethering were gone tomorrow, would sign up and start paying? Would it be enough to cover the investment and expense of putting new systems in place, and new hardware and people to enforce these policies? Would it be enough to cover all the people that would simply go to another carrier? How much revenue would be lost from people either leaving or getting kicked out for the ToS violation?

That's why I don't think that this is really about tethering. The money that they would have to invest, and then lose(from termed contracts) cannot possibly be outweighed by the few people that would start paying the measly $20 for the service.

Something just doesn't add up here. I think that money is absolutely their motivation, but I do not believe that it is in the scope of what they are claiming.

I think it has more to do with long term stuff, like controlling what you can see on your phone, maybe pushing ads directly to your desktop, etc...

 

[dfuser312553]

....What I still don't get is if this is all about money (it probably is) how much could they possibly be gaining by stopping root users? What is the percentage of users that actually root their phones? It seems like they are expending far more money into the research, development, implementation, and legal aspects of this all then they are going to make back from their investors.

Sometimes it's not about gaining anything & is more related to control. It's like when Congress banned online gambling sites inside the U.S.; the reasoning used was it does not add to the GDP. So they banned it which also did not add to the GDP.

 

[axlx]

people need to realize at&t bought t mobile for a couple billion. I haven't seen it even mentioned here. People even consider this in their reasoning?

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[axlx]

and yes they did it so they could kick Verizon in the balls and own the american cell industry

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[hookbill]

Alright, I've got an announcement to make. I don't want to see anymore cursing or swearing, that's a violation of OUR tos so to speak. Keep it clean or don't say it at all.

 

[dfuser312553]

^they have a long road to travel before that is approved by the FCC.

 

[Preach2k]

Regardless, I will not reward any company that keeps me from using my own property as I see fit. I don't tether, or use bootleg apps for free, or do anything illegal with my phones. I understand the need to protect content and the network but not when it tramples my rights. Just because I root doesn't mean I'm a criminal...

Their Network, Their Rules....

When you sign the contract you agree to the rights you have when access and using their Network.

Let me ask you this, would a toll road have the right to ban, say, Ford or Lincoln automobiles, because the road is partially owned by GM? The fact that you own a toll road (or are a service provider) doesn't bestow sweeping and (to some of us anyway) nonsensical *power* over those who use your road (physical or cyber) as a means to go from point A to Point B. If the service providers can produce a shred of evidence that the mere act of rooting a phone and installing a custom rom somehow damages their toll road/network, I've yet to see it.

Yes, tethering can be a form of ripping them off, but I'm not one who tethers, and so are a lot of the others on the forums. Besides, it is a separate action that doesn't necessarily follow the act of rooting. How does the existence of my rooted and themed rom cause them injury or loss?

-Mike

Lets use your analogy for a minute If I own road with tolls on it and I am making money from those tolls and now some finds a way around paying my tolls(tethering). What would I do as a business man. I would shut down those areas around those tolls and the ones that have not done anything wrong will suffer too Because I lose money because you did not use my tolls I have to charge you more for your usage.. I do not see anything wrong with rooting your phone at all it is your phone Because rooting and Tethering are 2 different things.. But in my opinion Illegal Tethering is stealing. It is like me pulling up next to your house plugging all my electrical needs into you house and having you pay for it and that is not right Not only that you will be ready to sue me or kill me. When you Illegally tether someone has to pay for it down the line. Which will be higher fees. I would rather they crackdown on Illegal tethering now then charge me an arm and a leg later when I pay for my hot spots.

 

[Backnblack]

Regardless, I will not reward any company that keeps me from using my own property as I see fit. I don't tether, or use bootleg apps for free, or do anything illegal with my phones. I understand the need to protect content and the network but not when it tramples my rights. Just because I root doesn't mean I'm a criminal...

Their Network, Their Rules....

When you sign the contract you agree to the rights you have when access and using their Network.

Let me ask you this, would a toll road have the right to ban, say, Ford or Lincoln automobiles, because the road is partially owned by GM? The fact that you own a toll road (or are a service provider) doesn't bestow sweeping and (to some of us anyway) nonsensical *power* over those who use your road (physical or cyber) as a means to go from point A to Point B. If the service providers can produce a shred of evidence that the mere act of rooting a phone and installing a custom rom somehow damages their toll road/network, I've yet to see it.

Yes, tethering can be a form of ripping them off, but I'm not one who tethers, and so are a lot of the others on the forums. Besides, it is a separate action that doesn't necessarily follow the act of rooting. How does the existence of my rooted and themed rom cause them injury or loss?

-Mike

If the Toll Road provider can prove that the Fords or Lincolns are affecting the performance of the Toll Road and that is causing issues for others that use the same toll road, Then yes.

But with users not paying for tethering it's like paying for a Ford to drive the Toll Road, but actually driving a Greyhound bus....

 

[hookbill]

Again, it's not just tethering. What about people who root and remove the bloatware. VZW doesn't want you to do that. They are hoping you'll press City I.D. and like it. I'm sure Amazon paid them good money to put their app on there as well. When people pull these apps off their phone, that's revenue loss.

 

[TheTyler0013]

P3 is not Android God. So get your panties unbunched. If this is try dang. But do u honestly think its all going to stop? No. Not at all.

As far as tethering. It is a Stupid argument. VZW has a TETHERING PLAN. If u use with out plan its stealing.plain and simple. It the same as using "unlimited" on a tierd plan. You don't pay for it u don't get it. There is no justification. Sorry. But its just that. U want to tether then stop being a cheapskate and PAY. I pay for mobile hot spot and I am all good. 20.00 Xtra a month no biggie. Can't afford it? Dang get a better job to afford it. Us who can afford it should not be punished cuz tho.who can't steal it.

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[dfuser312553]

I keep on seeing illegal used to describe the use of free rooted tether.

 

[Preach2k]

Again, it's not just tethering. What about people who root and remove the bloatware. VZW doesn't want you to do that. They are hoping you'll press City I.D. and like it. I'm sure Amazon paid them good money to put their app on there as well. When people pull these apps off their phone, that's revenue loss.

Again I think once you purchase your phone you can customize it the way you want. If I do not want the Bloat ware on my phone then i should be able to remove it if I want to. Now for those that brick there phones after trying to root it then those guys should be out of luck. I as a company should be able to refuse you if I give you a phone that worked and you bricked it. I am not going to eat that money. The one that bricked it should eat it.

 

[TheSwaggeR]

Again, it's not just tethering. What about people who root and remove the bloatware. VZW doesn't want you to do that. They are hoping you'll press City I.D. and like it. I'm sure Amazon paid them good money to put their app on there as well. When people pull these apps off their phone, that's revenue loss.

How is it revenue loss if you pull the app off your phone? The app is already there to begin with. Meaning you already paid for the app when you paid for your phone. This isn't a revenue generator like Google's $$$ per 1 click banner advertisement.

They aren't making money every time you click the app. I don't know where you're getting the idea that revenue is made or loss when pulling the app off your phone that was already there to begin with.