I don't think you have anything to worry about. It would not make sense for verizon to go after anyone for just rooting if you're paying for the hotspot. the most they can do in that case is void your warranty i guess. they're not going to cancel your account for rooting, this thread is just speculation with no basis.
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P3Droid: Some Food for Thought - Bootloaders, Rooting, Manufacturers, and Carriers
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I don't think you have anything to worry about. It would not make sense for verizon to go after anyone for just rooting if you're paying for the hotspot. the most they can do in that case is void your warranty i guess. they're not going to cancel your account for rooting, this thread is just speculation with no basis.
I agree. The best thing to do is not waste our time worrying about it and just wait and see what happens in the future.
I wouldn't mind a tiered plan since I don't even use that much data per month (like around a gig a month) and if they want to void my warranty because i rooted my phone to get rid of bloatware that affects the performance of MY phone then......oh well. I bought my phone off E-bay LOL.
Everyone makes valid points here, yet until something happens that makes this statement a true fact to discuss, we should just go on with what we do and possibly try as a community to make things better.
I wouldn't mind a tiered plan since I don't even use that much data per month (like around a gig a month) and if they want to void my warranty because i rooted my phone to get rid of bloatware that affects the performance of MY phone then......oh well. I bought my phone off E-bay LOL.
Everyone makes valid points here, yet until something happens that makes this statement a true fact to discuss, we should just go on with what we do and possibly try as a community to make things better.
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@P3Droid: For those worried, just don't tether w/o a plan No matter what build you are on. Things are moving faster than I thought.
P3Droid Last night was stressful, but today is a new day. Knowing the focus of it all helps though. - So in summurization - don't tether w/o a plan
I'm simply telling you what he's saying. You make your own judgements
@P3Droid: For those worried, just don't tether w/o a plan No matter what build you are on. Things are moving faster than I thought.
P3Droid Last night was stressful, but today is a new day. Knowing the focus of it all helps though. - So in summurization - don't tether w/o a plan
I'm simply telling you what he's saying. You make your own judgements
@P3Droid: For those worried, just don't tether w/o a plan No matter what build you are on. Things are moving faster than I thought.
P3Droid Last night was stressful, but today is a new day. Knowing the focus of it all helps though. - So in summurization - don't tether w/o a plan
I'm simply telling you what he's saying. You make your own judgements
So its Operatioan rooting out the tetherers is in affect with Verizon :icon_ banana:
@P3Droid: For those worried, just don't tether w/o a plan No matter what build you are on. Things are moving faster than I thought.
P3Droid Last night was stressful, but today is a new day. Knowing the focus of it all helps though. - So in summurization - don't tether w/o a plan
I'm simply telling you what he's saying. You make your own judgements
So its Operatioan rooting out the tetherers is in affect with Verizon :icon_ banana:
He didn't specify Verizon, I was under the impression he was talking about all carriers. I'll see if I can get an answer on that though, primarily he talks about Verizon.
well he has been tweeting yesterday about getting rid of the data hack in DX and d2. So i assume it was verizon and no way att can have 40mb/sec donwload. their service is lousy dancedroid
Nope, he's telling me all carriers. Again, I'm just passing on what he's saying I can't verify anything myself.
I had a chat with him yesterday and to be honest I don't think there is any reason for him to be putting us on, trying to get attention, or any of that type of stuff.
The thing about this type of information is it is always subject to change, as we saw with the TB date debacle. So make your own decisions.
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As the OG post said, its all about the money, which is stupid, cause I think all these companies already made enough money. I like and need my wifi tethering but I can't afford the extra 30$ a month, my bill for my gf and I is already over 200$, but they wanna sit there and make it worse, instead of making it easier for us during a down turned economy they just want to screw us more. I loved android cause for once I felt like it was actually my phone, not something I was borrowing from verizon or at&t, I can do whatever I want with my phone, make it look and feel how I want, and if they take that away from us, they have no idea how much respect they will lose. screw em!
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As the OG post said, its all about the money, which is stupid, cause I think all these companies already made enough money. I like and need my wifi tethering but I can't afford the extra 30$ a month, my bill for my gf and I is already over 200$, but they wanna sit there and make it worse, instead of making it easier for us during a down turned economy they just want to screw us more. I loved android cause for once I felt like it was actually my phone, not something I was borrowing from verizon or at&t, I can do whatever I want with my phone, make it look and feel how I want, and if they take that away from us, they have no idea how much respect they will lose. screw em!
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WAIT.... Let me get this straight.
You CAN'T AFFORD something and you blame them for that?
Have you lost your ever-loving-mind? The industry sets a price point. Either people pay or don't. If they don't the product is repriced, redesigned or pulled. The very fact they haven't done any of those means people are paying.
And if you think for one second your loss of respect for this company is going to change how they do business, boy do I have a bridge I would like to sell you out in Las Vegas.
I have a simple piece of advice for you:
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, DON'T BUY IT.
Seriously, live within your means. I know this is a TOUGH concept for you younger people, but get used to it and quick.
I was reading an article on this and looking at the responses the author got.
One analogy is that the data plans should be alike the water company. You pay for consumption either on a per gallon basis, or in a tiered usage plan.
But to pay the top price for "unlimited" water, but to then be told that you can only use that water for drinking and watering the lawn, not for showers, that if you want to use water for bathing, you have to have a separate water plan at an extra fee, etc...
That is how things should be done. I know, we all signed the ToS knowing the deal, we have covered all of that. Philosophically I am opposed to the way they do things. It's price gouging. Data is data. Our voice is digital, it is data. But we pay two prices, one for voice data, one for data data. Then we have a price for text/MMS data. Then they want to charge us for tether data.
When does it end? I understand the desire and NEED to earn a profit. But at what point have you nickled and dimed your customers enough?
When you look at the price of unlimited voice, and unlimited texts, and unlimited data, and you use a fraction of each of them. It doesn't cost Verizon anything for you to tether, unless your CONSUMPTION goes up as a result. Then you may be costing them money. You are soaking up tons of bandwidth, and if enough people on your node do it, other users suffer performance losses. Maybe VZW has to upgrade that node to handle the capacity and that is expensive.
But that is an issue of excessive consumption, not tethering per se. What if I plug my phone into the HDMI port of my home theater and stream video all day and chew up 75GB a month? Then I am creating the same problem but tethering was not involved.
Set aside this ToS stuff for now. I am arguing what is fair and what makes sense, and I think that how they do things is crappy. If I tether or use so much data on the phone itself where I am actually costing them money, they I should be capped or forced to pay more. Just as if I wanted to use my city water line to fill my swimming pool. I gotta pay extra for all that water.
But if I only use a small amount of water, through all uses combined, is it fair to charge me a fee for each TYPE of way that I use my water?
Does my tethering and still only managing to use 200mb a month in data on an unlimited plan COST Verizon money? No. It doesn't. It is a situation where, by the rules and artificial features that they created, that they may not "make as much money as they want to make", but I didn't actually cost them any money, nor did I do anything that forced them to incur any direct costs.
There is a difference, ethically I feel.
Charge me for what I use, that's what I want. If I pay for 2GB of "water", let me decide if I want to drink it, take a shower or water my flower bed with that water. If I go over because I got silly with it, then charge me, but so long as I stay under my tier, just leave me alone already.
Or does that make too much sense? LOL
One analogy is that the data plans should be alike the water company. You pay for consumption either on a per gallon basis, or in a tiered usage plan.
But to pay the top price for "unlimited" water, but to then be told that you can only use that water for drinking and watering the lawn, not for showers, that if you want to use water for bathing, you have to have a separate water plan at an extra fee, etc...
That is how things should be done. I know, we all signed the ToS knowing the deal, we have covered all of that. Philosophically I am opposed to the way they do things. It's price gouging. Data is data. Our voice is digital, it is data. But we pay two prices, one for voice data, one for data data. Then we have a price for text/MMS data. Then they want to charge us for tether data.
When does it end? I understand the desire and NEED to earn a profit. But at what point have you nickled and dimed your customers enough?
When you look at the price of unlimited voice, and unlimited texts, and unlimited data, and you use a fraction of each of them. It doesn't cost Verizon anything for you to tether, unless your CONSUMPTION goes up as a result. Then you may be costing them money. You are soaking up tons of bandwidth, and if enough people on your node do it, other users suffer performance losses. Maybe VZW has to upgrade that node to handle the capacity and that is expensive.
But that is an issue of excessive consumption, not tethering per se. What if I plug my phone into the HDMI port of my home theater and stream video all day and chew up 75GB a month? Then I am creating the same problem but tethering was not involved.
Set aside this ToS stuff for now. I am arguing what is fair and what makes sense, and I think that how they do things is crappy. If I tether or use so much data on the phone itself where I am actually costing them money, they I should be capped or forced to pay more. Just as if I wanted to use my city water line to fill my swimming pool. I gotta pay extra for all that water.
But if I only use a small amount of water, through all uses combined, is it fair to charge me a fee for each TYPE of way that I use my water?
Does my tethering and still only managing to use 200mb a month in data on an unlimited plan COST Verizon money? No. It doesn't. It is a situation where, by the rules and artificial features that they created, that they may not "make as much money as they want to make", but I didn't actually cost them any money, nor did I do anything that forced them to incur any direct costs.
There is a difference, ethically I feel.
Charge me for what I use, that's what I want. If I pay for 2GB of "water", let me decide if I want to drink it, take a shower or water my flower bed with that water. If I go over because I got silly with it, then charge me, but so long as I stay under my tier, just leave me alone already.
Or does that make too much sense? LOL
The very fact they haven't done any of those means people are paying.
Not true in all cases. If we were talking about a tangible product or service, you would be correct. If it was a car, or a toaster oven that people were not buying, you would scrap the product because it doesn't make sense to have workers, engineers, marketing people, tools and machinary sitting there building a product that doesn't sell. That is costing you money.
Tethering services, do not cost them anything. It's like printing money. There is no real investment. The phones and the OS come with it built in, using the same data channels and towers that are already there set up for it.
VZW and other carriers simply took that feature out of the phone so that they could charge for it. It costs them nothing if not even a single person every subscribes to it. There is no overhead to cover, no capital investment to recoup.
For every person that does sign up though, it's just like printing money. It's all profit. They don't have to do anything except bill you for it. You were downloading data from the phone with the normal data plan, and your phone is still downloading data from the same network, at the same speed, etc... The only difference is that they get to charge you a second time for data. ;-)
It's all profit.
Isn't that the #1 reason for being in business?
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