Seidio 2600mAh extended battery

[solar]

I thought you'd never ask!.... I"m pretty excited.. it ought to be stinkin fast with the SSD drive as primary and other as backup...
Don't want to highjack the thread and go off on an unrelated tangent, but here it is.

HP DV8T Quad Core

• • Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
• • Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-720QM Quad Core processor (1.6GHz, 6MB L3 Cache) with Turbo Boost up to 2.8 GHz
• • FREE Upgrade to 8GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm) from 6GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
• • 756GB 7200RPM SATA Dual Hard Drive (SSD 256GB + 500GB 7200RPM)
• • 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 230M
• • 18.4" diagonal High Definition HP Ultra BrightView Infinity Display (1920x1080p)
• • SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
• • Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Espresso Black)
• • Intel Wireless-N Card with Bluetooth
• • No TV Tuner w/remote control
• • HP Color Matching Keyboard
• • HP Long Life Notebook Battery with support for Extended Lifecycles
• • Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
  

Accessories

• • HP 20" Roller Case for Notebook PCs
  

Thats ok, we can veer off on a tangent for a post or too!

Nice. Thats a pretty dang solid machine. The SSD's should be awesome and that Corei7 too! I love fingerprint readers by the way. My old PPC used to have one. Good video card too. Windows 7 works well and 64bit to boot. and more RAM then most pople would know what to do with! Awesome sized screen and resolution and prob a full keyboard too. Must have cost you a little change!

 

[Rollingbones]

Hey guys,
I finally got my extended batt yesterday. The order placement and shipping was actually pretty quick this time.

I've been following this thread with interest since the beginning and so far my reading don't look good. I let it charge for about 10 hrs last night until this morning. I forgot the look at the Mv when I took it off this morn. But BatteryLeft only showed about 5 1/2 hrs until fully discharged, and that was after about 30 mins of streaming radio. I haven't had time to log my until now but i'm sitting at about:

Battery Left: (@10:46am) 2:56 hrs remaining / @ 60% / 3944Mv (Accurate)
Systems: (@10:46am) 40%

I'm going to keep an eye on things and log it again in about 30 mins or so. I actually like the way the extra bulk makes it feel in my hand. It gives me more of a grip. The plastic feels nice. I also like that the battery keeps the camera lens away rom the surface of whatever I have it resting on. I hope I don't have a dud!

I'd charge it up full and then run it down a couple of times, not for calibratin Battery Left, but some batteries don't hit their potential until they're charged and drained a couple of times. As for B.L., charge it at least a couple of hours past full and then just use it like normal and let it run out completely and it should be fine after you charge it again... I hope!!! I'm still on OEM and B.L. dialed in pretty good after I figured out a couple of things.

 

[solar]

Cool, thanks rollingbones. I'll try to drain it, then charge it up full again. I'll have to watch it over the next couple days. I should have no problem keeping it on for at least 10 hrs a night. I just plug it into the wall connected to a USB extension cable and keep it next to me while i'm playing on my 360 or ps3!

 

[windstrings]

[. Must have cost you a little change!

About 2100 was the final talley.

 

[General_Lee86]

I would like to know how long the 2600 will last longer then the standard that comes with the Moto Droid?

 

[windstrings]

I would like to know how long the 2600 will last longer then the standard that comes with the Moto Droid?

Its almost twice the mah as the standard .... Standard is 1400mah and extended is 2600mah.

I must say it does every bit of that if not more.

Everyone seems to be very happy with the runtime.

 

[fujitsupalm]

But SEIDIO!!!! I have been trying to get in touch with you through PM all this time, I just want to return the faulty battery and the other not quite right battery door to you, where you promised me a postage paid envelope, please if you see this respond to me, so i can return to you the items that is no longer rightfully mine, i dont feel good keeping double stock, when I only paid once, and I sure don't wanna pay twice.

thank you.

Hello,

Thank you for the comments, we have not received any PM from you in a while, last one dated 2-27-10, did you accidentally sent it to someone else maybe?

Regards,

Hello Seidio,

I only replied to the pm conversations that we have had all along.

would you mind working with the admins to obtain my email address?

I'm not sure whether I'm comfortable to post my email address here, or from my old pm's you have my order number which can lead you back to my email address that i hosted for seidioonline account.

then we can perhaps arrange something for me to send you back you items by email instead?

I might be too fresh here to receive so many pms, there might be a limit to it which i have exceeded by now.

thanks alot!!

 

[BPB]

Idea for a quicker calibration of Seidio 2600mAh & Battery Left

Just downloaded the new app update and hit recalibrate.
Battery volt 4018 mV
est % 80
sys % 80

status calibrating.

So should I let this now run to empty and then recharge?

while its calibrating the est and sys will be the same.. yes just use it as normal except don't charge it till its dead.
Do that about two or three times sets it.... after that it learns and finetunes pertaining to the area of the battery your using..ie: top 1/3rd etc.

Matt said he wrote in some code for the seidio extended battery to take more samples once the sys percentage hits 5% since there is a ton of battery life left after that...that should give the estimated time better accuracy.

BTW.... these last two updates wiped my data and so I will indeed be recharging to full and starting the calibration fresh again. The way you will know if it wiped your data is if you have to reset all your preferences as to what you want shown on the widget and color preferences etc.

This is a beta program and so far Seidio hasn't volunteered a test battery so it takes as long as it takes I suppose to fine tune the battery left app.

So I've been using the Seidio 2600mAh battery and I've noticed that it goes to 5% relatively quickly, but then keeps going and going and going...Anyway, we all know that. We also all know that if you reboot the phone, the built-in battery meter will be much closer to accurate at first.

Now, I've been using Battery Left, the most promising way to determine the actual battery capacity for this. On here I've read to let the battery charge all the way down, then recharge, etc.

Here comes my idea. If you let the battery run down to where it appears to have 5% left, then reboot the phone, this seems to tell the Battery Left application that there's much more power to be had.

For example, I let it run down to 5% which it did in about 2 hours or so. Of course that was closer to 5% of the battery power used so far, as we know. I then rebooted the phone and the battery life app seems to have noticed the increased power and adjusted it's estimate, time remaining, etc. accordingly.

So here's the question to the community following this thread: If, when your 2600mAh battery reads 5% you reboot your phone to see the closer-to-correct power left, does this a) speed up Battery Left's calibration of the Seidio battery; b) mess up the actual data; or c) have no real effect?

I ask because it isn't really practical for me to let the battery run all the way until it's drained. I use my phone for work and I can't have it going out in the middle of the day (on consecutive hour 51, or however long it would take), then being tethered to a power outlet for the next 8 to 12 hours (or however long the recommended charge is for a drained battery). So, I'm looking for some kind of shortcut that might end up taking less time to get an accurate reading.

Thoughts?

(Oh, and big thanks for the Battery Left app - Matt isn't it? I'd gladly purchase it from the Market once it's fully operational with the Seidio 2600mAh battery!)

 

[windstrings]

For example, I let it run down to 5% which it did in about 2 hours or so. Of course that was closer to 5% of the battery power used so far, as we know. I then rebooted the phone and the battery life app seems to have noticed the increased power and adjusted it's estimate, time remaining, etc. accordingly.

When you reboot.. if you look the regular system percentage is up too which is taking its cues from the firmware. Its a firmware issue.
Battery left appears to also take cues from the firmware..... we need some way for it to work totally independent of the firmware.

You have no more power from rebooting.... that would be silly in itself if you think about it as power doesn't come from nowhere, but the monitoring systems are skewed by the firmware and rebooting changes that.

You can begin to see that anomaly early on.. even when the battery is near fully charged if you look and do a reboot... its just more noticeable the longer the battery drains before the reboot.

If I remember right, Matt said that battery left monitors increments of discharge.. if you reboot during an increment.. that increment is ignored and skipped becuase it can't be trusted anymore to calibrate off of.

Matt can correct me, but I think only that increment is affected.

Battery left basically watches each increment to see how much time occurs between the battery drops from 70% to 60% etc.
Not sure if mv readings are factored in yet or not.. but I think he's going to add them.

 

[BPB]

Right; I understand the issue with the power. Here's my point. I just let my Droid run down to 5% System reported power. I rebooted. My Droid now reports 50% Ststem power but the Battery Left app reports 82% estimated power (I haven't been using this app for very long just yet). Also, my estimated battery life jumped from 2-something hours to 6-something hours. It took 2 hours for the System to report 5%. But, after the reboot Battery Left seems to have caught on that there is actually more power available than the system reports (as that app should).
So my question was, is rebooting once the battery reaches 5% - as reported by the System - a way to speed up the calibration of Battery Left app? See what I'm saying?

 

[BPB]

That is, would rebooting when the system reports 5% power be a way to calibrate Battery Left app without having to let the battery fully drain and fully recharge to calibrate Battery Left?

 

[windstrings]

So my question was, is rebooting once the battery reaches 5% - as reported by the System - a way to speed up the calibration of Battery Left app? See what I'm saying?

No, thats what I was trying to explain about "increments".... when your sys gets down to 5%, the mv reading is still dropping regardless of what that % says and also time still counts down.
Battery left is watching the time trying to measure what the system is reporting verses whats really happening so next time it sees the system report "thus and so", it will give an accurage readout instead because it "learned" how long it took for your battery to die "after the 5% mark".
I think mv readings may be coming into play in this too.

Regardless.. if you reboot when it hits 5%, you will lose the calibration info from that point down because battery left can't trust the readout once you reboot.

I suppose battery left may not know the difference between a "reboot" verses the battery dying either.... "something Matt will have to clarify"

Possibly once its monitoring the mv readings, it will be able to tell the difference for sure.

Regardless once you get it set and fully calibrated... rebooting will not throw a monkey wrench into the equation because the equation is already logged "calibrated" and while its technically still learning and drops off old info "not sure how many cycles ago" just because you rebooted and forced it to toss new info pertaining to that zone "increment" it won't affect the prior calibration reading.

He says the longer you use it, the longer it has to learn your habits.

I for one, sometimes use pretty aggressively and other times not.... so it will end up giving me an average of all.

I've asked him to make it follow mv readings too, so it can alter itself to some degree for those erratic "out of the norm" uses and still be accurate.

Counting time alone will not be accurate as the Seidio extended battery last long enough that a lot of things can happen in 50 - 70 hours.

Sorry to be so long winded in my thoughts.... guess thats how I earned the name "windy"!

 

[kartman976]

Thanks windstrings. You've pretty much answered most of my questions. Thanks BPB for asking all the questions. Cleared up a lot of confusion I had.

 

[thajabrows]

$65 is absurd when a replacement for the OEM can be had for as little as $15-$20 and wouldnt add bulk to my phone. I can spare 90 seconds to swap a battery when necessary during the day.

 

[BPB]

Clarification

Thanks windstrings. You've pretty much answered most of my questions. Thanks BPB for asking all the questions. Cleared up a lot of confusion I had.

I think I see what's going on under the hood now. I'll stick with the 2600mAh battery and set&forget Battery Left app and see what happens over time. Thanks for all the info, and no worries about being long-winded!

Surely between Seidio, Motorola, Battery Left app and the readers of this forum (and maybe Root Your Droid too) we can come up with an easy way to measure the extended battery's life!