Task Killers... The Answer from Google & Developers.

[RoyR80]

well not to sound like a jerk... but you obviously don't know how android operates. your constant task killing efforts are nothing but wasted time and more than likely result decreased performance (and decreased battery life; you say yours is great and it may be, but I'm certain that it would actually increase if you were to chill on the task killer).

Your memory/processor aren't wasting resources on non-active/background apps.

Android will start different processes/activities as it sees fit, so auto-killing them doesn't really help out, as android will almost immediately start many of them back up.

Task killers have their purposes... mostly closing frozen/malfunctioning apps and, at certain times, closing apps such as nav, games, etc. that aren't typically called upon for routine processes.

it's ok, ur not rude. i ran with out using one for one month, i had 16hrs batt time. i use my fone at the same intervals and now its nice around 24-26hrs... so im happy, and it feels really snappy too. so, im good with my methods. not all fones/users are created equal. ;-)

 

[jasonppp]

nav, games, etc. that aren't typically called upon for routine processes.

aparently you dont know android beacause navigator is a native app which is also system configured to not get killed by task killers

 

[zerosouls]

Avast ya rookie swabs, stop yer wastin of time and move to a dimension dat shoots ye cannons at yer faces all day in ye gullee rats caves... AARRGG!!!

 

[hrdnhvy]

Its in the kernel

So the actual low memory kill levels/setting is set/established by the kernel? not the rom?
Im suprised then we dont see different variations in those settings of diff kernel devs. every kernel ive ever tried always has the same kill settings (8, 12, 24, 28, 32, 32) but then again along the lines of this thread I guess it should not be that suprising if that is what is generally accepted as ideal settings for the D1 phone.

 

[tbirover]

i run system info widget so it right on front screen and btw nice score
but you could look under settings/applications/running services and look at the bottom

Sooo, what does this tell me there at the bottom?

Obviously a near dunce, but in my defense...
There was a heated discussion in the store over the essential Advanced App Killer, not to mention incessant Kill, Kill, Kill - every 20 min. he said.
Excellent explanations of my (albeit vague) conclusion after minimal research on day 2; there is a time and place.
Now I'm not so vague about why I am a pacifist.
Mahalo

 

[zerosouls]

i run system info widget so it right on front screen and btw nice score
but you could look under settings/applications/running services and look at the bottom

Sooo, what does this tell me there at the bottom?

Obviously a near dunce, but in my defense...
There was a heated discussion in the store over the essential Advanced App Killer, not to mention incessant Kill, Kill, Kill - every 20 min. he said.
Excellent explanations of my (albeit vague) conclusion after minimal research on day 2; there is a time and place.
Now I'm not so vague about why I am a pacifist.
Mahalo

Nevermind all that. Answer your voicemails and unsubscribe to this thread.

Sent from my Droid

 

[Darkseider]

i run system info widget so it right on front screen and btw nice score
but you could look under settings/applications/running services and look at the bottom

Sooo, what does this tell me there at the bottom?

Obviously a near dunce, but in my defense...
There was a heated discussion in the store over the essential Advanced App Killer, not to mention incessant Kill, Kill, Kill - every 20 min. he said.
Excellent explanations of my (albeit vague) conclusion after minimal research on day 2; there is a time and place.
Now I'm not so vague about why I am a pacifist.
Mahalo

* Avail: 40MB+136MB in 30 says that the device has 40MB of completely free (or likely used for unrequired caches) memory, and has another 136MB of available memory in 30 background processes it can kill at any time.
• Other: 115MB in 10 says that the device has 115MB of unavailable memory in 10 unkillable processes (that is, processes that are currently considered to be foreground and must be kept running)


There ya go!dancedroid

 

[EmmVeePee]

Since they "disabled" task killers I've noticed my phone has been extremely sluggish. I've been manually killing off apps, and as soon as I do my phone speeds up greatly.

 

[Bilgediver]

Hey there, I keep getting bombarded with "elite" users scorning any kind of task killer.

I'm sorry even though Android is linux based and supposedly the greatest thing since sliced bread, The developer of the kernel/Android OS on my phone does not know MY habits. My phone constantly used to start up apps that I hadn't even used in a week (such as Skype Mobile, I only use it in certain situations), or even apps that I just plain didn't want running yet. I know using the Task Killer doesn't free up CPU, what it does is free up available Memory and it DOES allow my phone to run smoother.

When it comes to Task Killing, I have been using the Green Droid logo: Advanced Task Killer. I don't have it set to Auto-kill (I used to but since installing UltimateDroid on my phone I don't use it with Auto-kill). When I load up and view the "currently running apps" screen, I ignore anything that powers widgets on my home screens (Mini Info, DigiClock, SetCPU, etc....), so it doesn't break those. I have security set on high so that system processes or anything required to even run the phone in the first place doesn't even show on the list.

The reason I was having to task kill in the first place was apps auto-starting I didn't want auto-starting in the first place (What do you mean the phone knows what I'm going to run? That was half the problem with Windows Vista). Pre-loading stuff into the memory (not system apps but user apps!) just doesn't work for me. So to fix that problem I installed Startup Auditor and I have it set for the bare minimum of auditing. That is I only have it "disabling" starting (at startup AND auto-starting while running) certain user apps that I only need to use at certain times, like Flightstats, Package Tracker, aCar, DocumentstoGo, Yahoo! + MSN Messengers, Photobucket, etc....


I currently use ATK (Green Droid) to TaskKill if something is hanging up or my phone appears unusually sluggish. And yes I do use it instead of going into settings-manage applications. Its just plain easier to do to click on the widget on my farthest home screen.

 

[Bilgediver]

and how do you go about disabling the autoruns of some of the apps you don't need to autorun?

If you are rooted, there's an app in the market called autostarts that will let you decide which apps should run on which settings. Be careful with your choices of course

Startup Auditor doesn't require root.

 

[zerosouls]

Use it or don't. Who cares what other people think.

Sent from my Droid

 

[jasonppp]

you will get scorned over task killers the "elite" as you put it are biased and they believe that android is a magical os. that it is suppose to clear memory, run smooth and so on. i for one believe that android os is a crock it runs what google wants it to run, not what you the user wants to run, and since you do own your phone you are more then welcome to run what you want on "your phone" even if it is a task killer. btw i was making the same complaint about seeing apps i dont even use in memory. i can understand the typical phone apps ie... phone, contacs, google messaging service, keyboard and news and weather if you use genie, at no point and time should i see google goggles, skype, or any other app i am not using being used in memory. If android was half as smart as the elite try to boast it to be it would learn your habits and store applications you use on a normal basis in memory "NOT APPS YOU DONT USE" so dont let them bother you bud only you know what your phone is or isnt doing only you will see the affects. But i been running the new bb.5 since release and haven't had to use a task killer since

 

[Bilgediver]

I agree, my custom ROM has kept most of the useless apps from auto-starting (UltimateDroid Extreme v8.0), but my startupauditor does the rest.

(Yea, I'm smart enough to realize that I want to let Android auto-start system services, and also widgets that I have on my homescreen)

By the way, isn't this the same discussion people had when they complained that Windows Vista was slow and sluggish? Only to find out that Microsoft instituted pre-loading programs into the system memory in Vista?

Pre-loading works great only if you're going to run apps/programs that the system wants you to run. If you don't, it runs sluggish.

 

[hookbill]

you will get scorned over task killers the "elite" as you put it are biased and they believe that android is a magical os. that it is suppose to clear memory, run smooth and so on. i for one believe that android os is a crock it runs what google wants it to run, not what you the user wants to run, and since you do own your phone you are more then welcome to run what you want on "your phone" even if it is a task killer. btw i was making the same complaint about seeing apps i dont even use in memory. i can understand the typical phone apps ie... phone, contacs, google messaging service, keyboard and news and weather if you use genie, at no point and time should i see google goggles, skype, or any other app i am not using being used in memory. If android was half as smart as the elite try to boast it to be it would learn your habits and store applications you use on a normal basis in memory "NOT APPS YOU DONT USE" so dont let them bother you bud only you know what your phone is or isnt doing only you will see the affects. But i been running the new bb.5 since release and haven't had to use a task killer since

Whoa, wait a second I hardly think that those of us who don't think you should use a task killer are biased. We've done our own research and guess what, Google seems to say we are right.

In addition I can't tell you how many times I've told somebody to stop using a task killer and it solved their issues. Hey, it's your phone if you want to run a task killer by all means do so. Verizon recommends that you do, lol, and just how knowledgeable are those folks?

 

[jasonppp]

By the way, isn't this the same discussion people had when they complained that Windows Vista was slow and sluggish? Only to find out that Microsoft instituted pre-loading programs into the system memory in Vista?

Pre-loading works great only if you're going to run apps/programs that the system wants you to run. If you don't, it runs sluggish.

you know i made that same statement then the "elite" said "you cant compare windows to android" but i dont care if it reads 00101101001000
it is still a computer no matter the os

mac,linux,windows or the "android" android is just a imitation linux with a windows look