Task Killers... The Answer from Google & Developers.

[Bilgediver]

Task Killer's aren't completely Auto-killers.

Of Course Google is going to claim that their OS works great, you shouldn't have to tweak it, etc...

But then again what do people on this forum do? They tweak their Android OS and phone to do things that Google, their phone carrier, and their phone manufacturer never really wanted their phones to be able to do.

I use my Motorola Droid 1 as a WIFI hotspot for my laptop. Verizon and Motorola claimed it didn't have the hardware capabilities to do it (they made the claim when upgrading these phones to Froyo and disabled the WIFI hotspot capabilities on the OTA update).

Google claims that you shouldn't use Memory Managers or Task Killers or Auto Killers and yet PEOPLE STILL DO.

Guess what? My phone runs a lot snappier, almost never redraws anymore. Why is that? Because I have Startup Auditor which allows me to determine which apps and services I want to allow my phone to startup automatically. No, I don't have auto-kill, mainly because its going to auto-start things in the first place, which is why I went to fix the source problem, not the symptom.

 

[Bilgediver]

By the way, isn't this the same discussion people had when they complained that Windows Vista was slow and sluggish? Only to find out that Microsoft instituted pre-loading programs into the system memory in Vista?

Pre-loading works great only if you're going to run apps/programs that the system wants you to run. If you don't, it runs sluggish.

you know i made that same statement then the "elite" said "you cant compare windows to android" but i dont care if it reads 00101101001000
it is still a computer no matter the os

mac,linux,windows or the "android" android is just a imitation linux with a windows look

I don't know if they even ran Windows Vista. Did they look at the "System Task Manager" in Windows? Those same apps pre-loaded in the Memory ALSO didn't really use CPU resources (just like they claim ONLY Android or linux does)

 

[jasonppp]

Whoa, wait a second I hardly think that those of us who don't think you should use a task killer are biased. We've done our own research and guess what, Google seems to say we are right.

In addition I can't tell you how many times I've told somebody to stop using a task killer and it solved their issues. Hey, it's your phone if you want to run a task killer by all means do so. Verizon recommends that you do, lol, and just how knowledgeable are those folks?

hey hook read some earlier posting in this and many other any time someone mentions a problem concerning memory or battery that is sluggish the first thing that is said and i quote "remove task killers" "dont use task killers" hence biased half the time there is no information passed on activity of the phone, just automatic task killer is the problem -= biased

 

[Bilgediver]

you will get scorned over task killers the "elite" as you put it are biased and they believe that android is a magical os. that it is suppose to clear memory, run smooth and so on. i for one believe that android os is a crock it runs what google wants it to run, not what you the user wants to run, and since you do own your phone you are more then welcome to run what you want on "your phone" even if it is a task killer. btw i was making the same complaint about seeing apps i dont even use in memory. i can understand the typical phone apps ie... phone, contacs, google messaging service, keyboard and news and weather if you use genie, at no point and time should i see google goggles, skype, or any other app i am not using being used in memory. If android was half as smart as the elite try to boast it to be it would learn your habits and store applications you use on a normal basis in memory "NOT APPS YOU DONT USE" so dont let them bother you bud only you know what your phone is or isnt doing only you will see the affects. But i been running the new bb.5 since release and haven't had to use a task killer since

Whoa, wait a second I hardly think that those of us who don't think you should use a task killer are biased. We've done our own research and guess what, Google seems to say we are right.

In addition I can't tell you how many times I've told somebody to stop using a task killer and it solved their issues. Hey, it's your phone if you want to run a task killer by all means do so. Verizon recommends that you do, lol, and just how knowledgeable are those folks?

Did you have the original Droid at all?

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

 

[jasonppp]

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

hook is one of the og's of this forum i sure he did or does got 1
and yes 256 fills fast especially when 100 off the top to android os

 

[Darkseider]

you will get scorned over task killers the "elite" as you put it are biased and they believe that android is a magical os. that it is suppose to clear memory, run smooth and so on. i for one believe that android os is a crock it runs what google wants it to run, not what you the user wants to run, and since you do own your phone you are more then welcome to run what you want on "your phone" even if it is a task killer. btw i was making the same complaint about seeing apps i dont even use in memory. i can understand the typical phone apps ie... phone, contacs, google messaging service, keyboard and news and weather if you use genie, at no point and time should i see google goggles, skype, or any other app i am not using being used in memory. If android was half as smart as the elite try to boast it to be it would learn your habits and store applications you use on a normal basis in memory "NOT APPS YOU DONT USE" so dont let them bother you bud only you know what your phone is or isnt doing only you will see the affects. But i been running the new bb.5 since release and haven't had to use a task killer since

Whoa, wait a second I hardly think that those of us who don't think you should use a task killer are biased. We've done our own research and guess what, Google seems to say we are right.

In addition I can't tell you how many times I've told somebody to stop using a task killer and it solved their issues. Hey, it's your phone if you want to run a task killer by all means do so. Verizon recommends that you do, lol, and just how knowledgeable are those folks?

Did you have the original Droid at all?

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

I have and will have my Droid for a LONG time. I have tested task killers, auto killers, etc... and found them to do nothing to make things worse. Never have they helped. I tested them on multiple ROMs and kernels. As far as 256 Meg. That's fine. The OS does kill background apps you know. Just go to settings and then running services. On the bottom you will see:

X Meg in Y and A + B in C

In english.

X = memory that is perma used by essential running programs.
Y = The number of programs

A = Free unused memory
B = Memory that can be recovered instantly in running background apps
C = The number of apps in B

So if you see

60 Meg in 5 and 33 + 60 in 9 that means you have 60 Megs tied up in essential stuff that cannot be killed of and/or recovered and 33 meg FREE plus 90 meg that can be recovered near instantly to apply to the foreground process if it is needed. So again. Task Killers are NOT needed. BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!

Also. As of Android 1.6 and above. The amount of processor ANY and ALL background applications can use is 10% TOTAL. Which means that no matter how many apps are running in the background they can only use up 10% processing between ALL of them. That doesn't mean they will but they are limited to that. So again. TASK KILLERS ARE EVIL! BURN THEM!!! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!

EDIT: Now there IF you choose to root your Droid there are other options as well. Compcache being one and then Swapping to a partition on the SD Card. You can choose to use either or both simultaneously effectively increasing your usable memory. As an example I am rooted running compcache which takes 24 meg of RAM and compresses it to 56 meg and uses it more or less as swap. I am also swapping to a partition on my SD Card which is 32 Meg. The phone uses the compcache for about 15% of what has to be swapped and the SD Card partition for about 10%. In any case the Droid is faster and much more enjoyable than stock. In either case stock or rooted NO TASK KILLERS!

 

[hookbill]

Did you have the original Droid at all?

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

Yes, I certainly did and one of the first things I learned when I came into this forum was not to worry about app memory, that Droid handles it differently then what I was use to which was a Blackberry.

I will admit that I don't try to cram every app that's out there on my Droid so that probably helps. If I was having an issue with an app and needed to kill it, the browser more often then anything, I'd kill it through the manage apps in my application settings.

 

[jasonppp]

ok this is to fix my op "Some" of the "Elite" are biased

but to refer to what i said it is even in some peoples signature also to remove task killers


but what did we all learn in this forum?

That not every droid is the same biggest example i can give is with kernels
some can handle 1250 some cant handle over 800.

it just goes back to what i said only the owner of the phone will know if they need a task killer or not.
use this information and implement as needed

 

[SSHGuru]

"BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!"

ROFL:r_c::r_c::r_c:

Whoa, wait a second I hardly think that those of us who don't think you should use a task killer are biased. We've done our own research and guess what, Google seems to say we are right.

In addition I can't tell you how many times I've told somebody to stop using a task killer and it solved their issues. Hey, it's your phone if you want to run a task killer by all means do so. Verizon recommends that you do, lol, and just how knowledgeable are those folks?

Did you have the original Droid at all?

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

I have and will have my Droid for a LONG time. I have tested task killers, auto killers, etc... and found them to do nothing to make things worse. Never have they helped. I tested them on multiple ROMs and kernels. As far as 256 Meg. That's fine. The OS does kill background apps you know. Just go to settings and then running services. On the bottom you will see:

X Meg in Y and A + B in C

In english.

X = memory that is perma used by essential running programs.
Y = The number of programs

A = Free unused memory
B = Memory that can be recovered instantly in running background apps
C = The number of apps in B

So if you see

60 Meg in 5 and 33 + 60 in 9 that means you have 60 Megs tied up in essential stuff that cannot be killed of and/or recovered and 33 meg FREE plus 90 meg that can be recovered near instantly to apply to the foreground process if it is needed. So again. Task Killers are NOT needed. BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!

Also. As of Android 1.6 and above. The amount of processor ANY and ALL background applications can use is 10% TOTAL. Which means that no matter how many apps are running in the background they can only use up 10% processing between ALL of them. That doesn't mean they will but they are limited to that. So again. TASK KILLERS ARE EVIL! BURN THEM!!! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!

EDIT: Now there IF you choose to root your Droid there are other options as well. Compcache being one and then Swapping to a partition on the SD Card. You can choose to use either or both simultaneously effectively increasing your usable memory. As an example I am rooted running compcache which takes 24 meg of RAM and compresses it to 56 meg and uses it more or less as swap. I am also swapping to a partition on my SD Card which is 32 Meg. The phone uses the compcache for about 15% of what has to be swapped and the SD Card partition for about 10%. In any case the Droid is faster and much more enjoyable than stock. In either case stock or rooted NO TASK KILLERS!

 

[Bilgediver]

Did you have the original Droid at all?

256 MB of RAM fills up quickly

Yes, I certainly did and one of the first things I learned when I came into this forum was not to worry about app memory, that Droid handles it differently then what I was use to which was a Blackberry.

I will admit that I don't try to cram every app that's out there on my Droid so that probably helps. If I was having an issue with an app and needed to kill it, the browser more often then anything, I'd kill it through the manage apps in my application settings.

I try not to cram every app on my droid either, but it is nice having certain apps ready to go.

Android may handle it differently than blackberry or Windows Mobile, but it still doesn't know what I'm going to run myself! It guesses! Does it guess wrong? Yes! That's why I get redraws and sluggish operation sporadically, hence the reason I use Startup Auditor.

 

[jasonppp]

"BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!"

ROFL:r_c::r_c::r_c:

love when people make points so easy ty
nothing even remotely important to the discussion just grab your pom poms and dance thnx again

BIASED!!!!!!

 

[Darkseider]

"BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!"

ROFL:r_c::r_c::r_c:

love when people make points so easy ty
nothing even remotely important to the discussion just grab your pom poms and dance thnx again

BIASED!!!!!!

Really? Have you bothered reading my post? For that matter previous posts I have made MANY months ago after testing multiple task killer programs on multiple ROMs and kernels? No? OK then. What I have is empirical data backing up my claims. Not anecdotal crap that people spew. I have tested in a controlled manner, over the course of many weeks, using the phone for exactly the same things at the same time, sans unexpected phone calls. Needless to say memory management has NOTHING to do with a Droid being able to run a specific speed kernel. Memory and process management is a function of the Kernel/OS and is handled in the exact same way on every phone. Therefore the only thing you are adding to this conversation is gasoline to fuel the flames. Speaking of flames.... TASK KILLERS!!! BURN THEM!! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!! :icon_evil:

 

[Bilgediver]

"BURN THEM! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!!"

ROFL:r_c::r_c::r_c:

love when people make points so easy ty
nothing even remotely important to the discussion just grab your pom poms and dance thnx again

BIASED!!!!!!

Really? Have you bothered reading my post? For that matter previous posts I have made MANY months ago after testing multiple task killer programs on multiple ROMs and kernels? No? OK then. What I have is empirical data backing up my claims. Not anecdotal crap that people spew. I have tested in a controlled manner, over the course of many weeks, using the phone for exactly the same things at the same time, sans unexpected phone calls. Needless to say memory management has NOTHING to do with a Droid being able to run a specific speed kernel. Memory and process management is a function of the Kernel/OS and is handled in the exact same way on every phone. Therefore the only thing you are adding to this conversation is gasoline to fuel the flames. Speaking of flames.... TASK KILLERS!!! BURN THEM!! BURN THEM WITH FIRE!!! :icon_evil:

So should I still get redraws of my home screen?should my phone operate sluggishly without doing anything to it?

 

[jntdroid]

Bias assumes ignorance... Those of us that don't believe in task killers are going off what google and other developers have said themselves. Our experience confirms what they tell us, as well. That's about as educated a decision as you can make, given the circumstances. That is not bias.

If your experience dictates otherwise, fine. But given the facts we have from Google, from developers (the experts), and from guys like DS above that have done actual testing, the burden of proof is on the proponents of task killers, not those of us that are against them.

 

[jasonppp]

it dont matter what works on "YOUR PHONE" with what you do isnt necessarily gonna work on the next person's phone and what they do

here i got pom poms todancedroid:icon_ banana:dancedroid:icon_ banana: