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[vaeevictiss]

Im not quite sure how to not make it political when talking...politics...

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[SquireSCA]

No. We need to show them who actually has the Power, as stated in our Constitution and Preamble.

If there is no traffic or next to no traffic, then it should show them that if they do this, then we will no longer go online. And Google shows them that they will leage the internet dead by not continuing (at least until some government agency makes something like Google. But we all know how messed up obamacare is. So imagine how messed up that will be too).

First our freedom of speech goes, then everything else. Makes me sick to my stomach that I fought for these bastards. If they are going to do away with our rights and Constitution -what our Country is based on - what exactly is the point of even having our Constitution?

They've been chipping away at our freedom a little here and a little there for a long time. Especially with the obama administration. And it needs to stop. And it needs to stop NOW!

(Kinda brings home some of my signatures, huh? )

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I hope Google and others succeed in the SOPA pretest. And I hope it leaves a bad taste in the government's mouth. And it won't taste like a SOPA-pilla
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Isn't it funny how when you put the word "The" and the word "IRS" together, it spells "theirs? " Coincidence? I think not.

What right do you have to pirate music, apps, games and movies?

 

[SquireSCA]

Ladies and Gentlemen this is a GREAT thread and we strongly encourage EVERYONE to participate and voice their opinions.

This is just a friendly reminder to please stay off of anything that may be misconstrued as being political i.e pointing the finger at the repubs or dems, this guy or that guy. As you all know that never goes well

Thank you for being considerate.............

Great topic and conversation. Keep it going.

So let me get this straight... You and the mods keep stepping in and saying that if the conversation about censorship goes in a direction that you do not approve of, that you will censor us here in the forum?

Kinda ironic, no?

 

[cereal killer]

So let me get this straight... You and the mods keep stepping in and saying that if the conversation about censorship goes in a direction that you do not approve of, that you will censor us here in the forum?

Kinda ironic, no?

We will shut off your internet connection is all. Nothing too serious.....

 

[SquireSCA]

We will shut off your internet connection is all. Nothing too serious.....

While I like the internets the way it is, I do realize that we brought this on ourselves, from decades of downloading billions of dollars of music, games, apps, operating systems, movies, etc... We all did it, we all knew it was technically illegal and we had to expect that sooner or later, the people we have been stealing from would get fed up and fight back. And now we cry Free Speech and demand to be able to keep breaking the law?

I still download stuff, but at least I am honest enough to say that I know that I don't have a good leg to stand on legally or intellectually. My stance is purely selfish and I admit that.

 

[fobpartisan]

Piracy aside, technical aspects aside - what about due process? Nobody's mentioned that.
This bill would allow a website to be taken down without even notifying the owner. And then, once it is taken down, they can appeal to get it back. (Also, for anybody who wants to claim this is not true - try me. I've read the bill and it clearly states this)

In America, we are innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.

Ever heard of a statetement "I'm sorry but your appeal isnt valid"? Do you think these 50-80 year old shmucks(politicians) care about your internet? They are trying to prevent Egypt internet outbreak. Once the government gets their foot into controlling internet theres no way of stopping them from controlling more and more of internet activity. Just think about it.

 

[Bob Dammit]

What right do you have to pirate music, apps, games and movies?

So, if you step up and say something about protecting your 1st amendment rights, you are a pirate? Wow.
Nobody is against the concept of the legislation. The problem lies in the vague open ended language of the legislation. If censorship is allowed, the mechanism is in place to be abused in the future. Btw, check out how many SOPA and PIPA sponsors are in potential violation of the same legislation they are trying to pass. They don't understand it, but they are going to vote on it?

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[SquireSCA]

So, if you step up and say something about protecting your 1st amendment rights, you are a pirate? Wow.
Nobody is against the concept of the legislation. The problem lies in the vague open ended language of the legislation. If censorship is allowed, the mechanism is in place to be abused in the future. Btw, check out how many SOPA and PIPA sponsors are in potential violation of the same legislation they are trying to pass. They don't understand it, but they are going to vote on it?

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No, what I am saying is that how is pirating software or music/movies a First Amendment issue?

People keep crying "FREE SPEECH!" but I have yet to see where Free Speech is affected by this... If you are selling bootleg DVD's on the street and the cops make you stop, is that violating your right to Free Speech?

Why does anything on the internet automatically make people think that it is a first Amendment issue? Using something like the internet for something illegal, makes that usage of the internet illegal, hence the people who get prosecuted for distributing or downloading kiddie porn. We don't hear about Free Speech when their websites get shut down, do we?

 

[firefighterguy]

What right do you have to pirate music, apps, games and movies?

This does not deserve a response from me. So, therefore, I will not respond.

Instead I will say thank you to Bob Dammit who had my back on that. And knows what this bill really represents.

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"WE, THE PEOPLE"
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I hope Google and others succeed in the SOPA pretest. And I hope it leaves a bad taste in the government's mouth. And it won't taste like a SOPA-pilla
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The SOPA thing really brings home my signatures, doesn't it?
____________________
"Patriotism is supporting your Country at all times. And your government only when it deserves it" --Mark Twain
____________________
Are you an Ameri-CAN? Or are you an Ameri-CAN'T?
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Isn't it funny how when you put the word "The" and the word "IRS" together, it spells "theirs? " Coincidence? I think not.

 

[SquireSCA]

This does not deserve a response from me. So, therefore, I will not respond.

Instead I will say thank you to everyone who had my back on that.

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"King Of The 'Self-Edit'"
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"WE, THE PEOPLE"
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I hope Google and others succeed in the SOPA pretest. And I hope it leaves a bad taste in the government's mouth. And it won't taste like a SOPA-pilla
____________________
The SOPA thing really brings home my signatures, doesn't it?
____________________
"Patriotism is supporting your Country at all times. And your government only when it deserves it" --Mark Twain
____________________
Are you an Ameri-CAN? Or are you an Ameri-CAN'T?
____________________
Isn't it funny how when you put the word "The" and the word "IRS" together, it spells "theirs? " Coincidence? I think not.

Translation: I don't really have an answer, but I did respond to say that I won't respond, which is in itself a response.

 

[ntrddragn]

While I like the internets the way it is, I do realize that we brought this on ourselves, from decades of downloading billions of dollars of music, games, apps, operating systems, movies, etc... We all did it, we all knew it was technically illegal and we had to expect that sooner or later, the people we have been stealing from would get fed up and fight back. And now we cry Free Speech and demand to be able to keep breaking the law?

I still download stuff, but at least I am honest enough to say that I know that I don't have a good leg to stand on legally or intellectually. My stance is purely selfish and I admit that.

I agree with what your're saying somewhat but the MPAA and RIAA are exaggerating the so call 'loss' they have. Newspaper is a dead medium, the industry doesnt want to admit so they blame bloggers, social media etc for posting 'copy right' stuff. i think we have a 'fair use' clause right? Movie theaters are dinosaurs, who goes there much? I still go once in a blue moon. its pricey, you have to deal with lines, rude people. and with the crazy size TV that are out and ppl are buying them up with HD streaming. where is the reason to go to the movies? Yet the MPAA say its pirating that is 'causing' the 'loss' of revenue. etc etc. Sales of DVD,Blu rays are up. mp3 sales are up. I mean if there isnt a profit in mp3 there wouldnt be an iTune music store or a netflix. i have yet to see a recording artist starve due to pirating. they starve because they spend like it never ends. In the end MPAA and RIAA wants to control and make $ on ALL sites or they will get shut down.

 

[SquireSCA]

I agree with what your're saying somewhat but the MPAA and RIAA are exaggerating the so call 'loss' they have. Newspaper is a dead medium, the industry doesnt want to admit so they blame bloggers, social media etc for posting 'copy right' stuff. i think we have a 'fair use' clause right? Movie theaters are dinosaurs, who goes there much? I still go once in a blue moon. its pricey, you have to deal with lines, rude people. and with the crazy size TV that are out and ppl are buying them up with HD streaming. where is the reason to go to the movies? Yet the MPAA say its pirating that is 'causing' the 'loss' of revenue. etc etc. Sales of DVD,Blu rays are up. mp3 sales are up. I mean if there isnt a profit in mp3 there wouldnt be an iTune music store or a netflix. i have yet to see a recording artist starve due to pirating. they starve because they spend like it never ends. In the end MPAA and RIAA wants to control and make $ on ALL sites or they will get shut down.

I agree, it is hard to define "loss" in these cases. While they can look at my 20,000+ MP3 collection that I downloaded over the years or got from friends and say that at $1.99 a song, they "lost" almost 40 grand in sales, just from me, I don't know that it would hold up, as I could point out that I wouldn't have purchased all these songs were they not easily downloaded, that we often download things "just because we can", but we don't want it enough to actually go pay for it otherwise... But I think that we can agree that when you look at the millions of people doing it, the "loss" is pretty substantial, no?

It's easy for us to sit back and complain about SOPA, but if we were in charge of running those companies and we had invested millions or billions into our products and we saw blatant, rampant theft all over the place, we would be pissed and want to put a stop to it. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

 

[DaWolf85]

I thought an amendment in December changed that to where it has to at least be court ordered?

Yes, you go to a court (or maybe just a judge - I forget) and ask them to take down the website. It is still not required that the site be notified, and even if they are, they have just three days from the date of a claim being filed to appeal - which is not a realistic amount of time to get a lawyer and seriously review the claim.

 

[jntdroid]

I don't think the general motivations behind SOPA/PIPA are the problem here. The problem is with how they're choosing to implement this supposed problem solver, which does nothing but give a huge amount of power and control to the government and content creators.

 

[jntdroid]

Yes, you go to a court (or maybe just a judge - I forget) and ask them to take down the website. It is still not required that the site be notified, and even if they are, they have just three days from the date of a claim being filed to appeal - which is not a realistic amount of time to get a lawyer and seriously review the claim.

ah ok, kinda pointless...